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Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,16:15) WAKEUP Quote Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall *not taste of death*, till they see the Son of man*coming *in* his kingdom*. AC 7:37 “This is the Moses who said to the sons of Israel, ‘GOD WILL RAISE UP FOR YOU A PROPHET LIKE ME FROM YOUR BRETHREN.’
AC 7:38 “This is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness together with the angel who was speaking to him on Mount Sinai, and who was with our fathers; and he received living oracles to pass on to you.
AC 7:39 “Our fathers were unwilling to be obedient to him, but repudiated him and in their hearts turned back to Egypt,
AC 7:40 SAYING TO AARON, `MAKE FOR US GODS WHO WILL GO BEFORE US; FOR THIS MOSES WHO LED US OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT—WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM.’
AC 7:41 “ At that time they made a calf and brought a sacrifice to the idol, and were rejoicing in the works of their hands.
AC 7:42 “But God turned away and delivered them up to serve the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, ‘IT WAS NOT TO ME THAT YOU OFFERED VICTIMS AND SACRIFICES FORTY YEARS IN THE WILDERNESS, WAS IT, O HOUSE OF ISRAEL?
AC 7:43 ‘YOU ALSO TOOK ALONG THE TABERNACLE OF MOLOCH AND THE STAR OF THE GOD ROMPHA, THE IMAGES WHICH YOU MADE TO WORSHIP. I ALSO WILL REMOVE YOU BEYOND BABYLON.’
AC 7:44 “Our fathers had the tabernacle of testimony in the wilderness, just as He who spoke to Moses directed him to make it according to the pattern which he had seen.
AC 7:45 “And having received it in their turn, our fathers brought it in with Joshua upon dispossessing the nations whom God drove out before our fathers, until the time of David.
AC 7:46 “David found favor in God’s sight, and asked that he might find a dwelling place for the God of Jacob.
AC 7:47 “But it was Solomon who built a house for Him.
AC 7:48 “However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands; as the prophet says:
AC 7:49 ‘HEAVEN IS MY THRONE,
AND EARTH IS THE FOOTSTOOL OF MY FEET;
WHAT KIND OF HOUSE WILL YOU BUILD FOR ME?’ says the Lord,
‘OR WHAT PLACE IS THERE FOR MY REPOSE?
AC 7:50 ‘WAS IT NOT MY HAND WHICH MADE ALL THESE THINGS?’
AC 7:51 “You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.
AC 7:52 “ Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become;
AC 7:53 you who received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it.”Quote AC 7:54 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the quick, and they began gnashing their teeth at him.
AC 7:55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God;
AC 7:56 and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of Godwas Stephen one that was standing their when Christ says the words ;MT 16:28 “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
???????
Terra.You are going off topic here.
You always quote sriptures without any explanation.
What is exactly your question?That prophet Moses was talking about was Jesus.
It always has been the *Word of God* speaking to Moses.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2013,12:57) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,16:15) WAKEUP Quote Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall *not taste of death*, till they see the Son of man*coming *in* his kingdom*. AC 7:37 “This is the Moses who said to the sons of Israel, ‘GOD WILL RAISE UP FOR YOU A PROPHET LIKE ME FROM YOUR BRETHREN.’
AC 7:38 “This is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness together with the angel who was speaking to him on Mount Sinai, and who was with our fathers; and he received living oracles to pass on to you.
AC 7:39 “Our fathers were unwilling to be obedient to him, but repudiated him and in their hearts turned back to Egypt,
AC 7:40 SAYING TO AARON, `MAKE FOR US GODS WHO WILL GO BEFORE US; FOR THIS MOSES WHO LED US OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT—WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM.’
AC 7:41 “ At that time they made a calf and brought a sacrifice to the idol, and were rejoicing in the works of their hands.
AC 7:42 “But God turned away and delivered them up to serve the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, ‘IT WAS NOT TO ME THAT YOU OFFERED VICTIMS AND SACRIFICES FORTY YEARS IN THE WILDERNESS, WAS IT, O HOUSE OF ISRAEL?
AC 7:43 ‘YOU ALSO TOOK ALONG THE TABERNACLE OF MOLOCH AND THE STAR OF THE GOD ROMPHA, THE IMAGES WHICH YOU MADE TO WORSHIP. I ALSO WILL REMOVE YOU BEYOND BABYLON.’
AC 7:44 “Our fathers had the tabernacle of testimony in the wilderness, just as He who spoke to Moses directed him to make it according to the pattern which he had seen.
AC 7:45 “And having received it in their turn, our fathers brought it in with Joshua upon dispossessing the nations whom God drove out before our fathers, until the time of David.
AC 7:46 “David found favor in God’s sight, and asked that he might find a dwelling place for the God of Jacob.
AC 7:47 “But it was Solomon who built a house for Him.
AC 7:48 “However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands; as the prophet says:
AC 7:49 ‘HEAVEN IS MY THRONE,
AND EARTH IS THE FOOTSTOOL OF MY FEET;
WHAT KIND OF HOUSE WILL YOU BUILD FOR ME?’ says the Lord,
‘OR WHAT PLACE IS THERE FOR MY REPOSE?
AC 7:50 ‘WAS IT NOT MY HAND WHICH MADE ALL THESE THINGS?’
AC 7:51 “You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.
AC 7:52 “ Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become;
AC 7:53 you who received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it.”Quote AC 7:54 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the quick, and they began gnashing their teeth at him.
AC 7:55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God;
AC 7:56 and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of Godwas Stephen one that was standing their when Christ says the words ;MT 16:28 “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
???????
Terra.You are going off topic here.
You always quote sriptures without any explanation.
What is exactly your question?That prophet Moses was talking about was Jesus.
It always has been the *Word of God* speaking to Moses.wakeup.
WAKEUPok,lets move this discussion to a better topic ;WOULD YOU LIKE TO set it up FOR US ? ok,
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,22:51) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2013,12:57) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,16:15) WAKEUP Quote Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall *not taste of death*, till they see the Son of man*coming *in* his kingdom*. AC 7:37 “This is the Moses who said to the sons of Israel, ‘GOD WILL RAISE UP FOR YOU A PROPHET LIKE ME FROM YOUR BRETHREN.’
AC 7:38 “This is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness together with the angel who was speaking to him on Mount Sinai, and who was with our fathers; and he received living oracles to pass on to you.
AC 7:39 “Our fathers were unwilling to be obedient to him, but repudiated him and in their hearts turned back to Egypt,
AC 7:40 SAYING TO AARON, `MAKE FOR US GODS WHO WILL GO BEFORE US; FOR THIS MOSES WHO LED US OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT—WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM.’
AC 7:41 “ At that time they made a calf and brought a sacrifice to the idol, and were rejoicing in the works of their hands.
AC 7:42 “But God turned away and delivered them up to serve the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, ‘IT WAS NOT TO ME THAT YOU OFFERED VICTIMS AND SACRIFICES FORTY YEARS IN THE WILDERNESS, WAS IT, O HOUSE OF ISRAEL?
AC 7:43 ‘YOU ALSO TOOK ALONG THE TABERNACLE OF MOLOCH AND THE STAR OF THE GOD ROMPHA, THE IMAGES WHICH YOU MADE TO WORSHIP. I ALSO WILL REMOVE YOU BEYOND BABYLON.’
AC 7:44 “Our fathers had the tabernacle of testimony in the wilderness, just as He who spoke to Moses directed him to make it according to the pattern which he had seen.
AC 7:45 “And having received it in their turn, our fathers brought it in with Joshua upon dispossessing the nations whom God drove out before our fathers, until the time of David.
AC 7:46 “David found favor in God’s sight, and asked that he might find a dwelling place for the God of Jacob.
AC 7:47 “But it was Solomon who built a house for Him.
AC 7:48 “However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands; as the prophet says:
AC 7:49 ‘HEAVEN IS MY THRONE,
AND EARTH IS THE FOOTSTOOL OF MY FEET;
WHAT KIND OF HOUSE WILL YOU BUILD FOR ME?’ says the Lord,
‘OR WHAT PLACE IS THERE FOR MY REPOSE?
AC 7:50 ‘WAS IT NOT MY HAND WHICH MADE ALL THESE THINGS?’
AC 7:51 “You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.
AC 7:52 “ Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become;
AC 7:53 you who received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it.”Quote AC 7:54 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the quick, and they began gnashing their teeth at him.
AC 7:55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God;
AC 7:56 and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of Godwas Stephen one that was standing their when Christ says the words ;MT 16:28 “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
???????
Terra.You are going off topic here.
You always quote sriptures without any explanation.
What is exactly your question?That prophet Moses was talking about was Jesus.
It always has been the *Word of God* speaking to Moses.wakeup.
WAKEUPok,lets move this discussion to a better topic ;WOULD YOU LIKE TO set it up FOR US ? ok,
Hi Terra.The topic was the Vision,in Matt.
The question was: was that the second coming,
or just a vision.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2013,19:57) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,22:51) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2013,12:57) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,16:15) WAKEUP Quote Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall *not taste of death*, till they see the Son of man*coming *in* his kingdom*. AC 7:37 “This is the Moses who said to the sons of Israel, ‘GOD WILL RAISE UP FOR YOU A PROPHET LIKE ME FROM YOUR BRETHREN.’
AC 7:38 “This is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness together with the angel who was speaking to him on Mount Sinai, and who was with our fathers; and he received living oracles to pass on to you.
AC 7:39 “Our fathers were unwilling to be obedient to him, but repudiated him and in their hearts turned back to Egypt,
AC 7:40 SAYING TO AARON, `MAKE FOR US GODS WHO WILL GO BEFORE US; FOR THIS MOSES WHO LED US OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT—WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM.’
AC 7:41 “ At that time they made a calf and brought a sacrifice to the idol, and were rejoicing in the works of their hands.
AC 7:42 “But God turned away and delivered them up to serve the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, ‘IT WAS NOT TO ME THAT YOU OFFERED VICTIMS AND SACRIFICES FORTY YEARS IN THE WILDERNESS, WAS IT, O HOUSE OF ISRAEL?
AC 7:43 ‘YOU ALSO TOOK ALONG THE TABERNACLE OF MOLOCH AND THE STAR OF THE GOD ROMPHA, THE IMAGES WHICH YOU MADE TO WORSHIP. I ALSO WILL REMOVE YOU BEYOND BABYLON.’
AC 7:44 “Our fathers had the tabernacle of testimony in the wilderness, just as He who spoke to Moses directed him to make it according to the pattern which he had seen.
AC 7:45 “And having received it in their turn, our fathers brought it in with Joshua upon dispossessing the nations whom God drove out before our fathers, until the time of David.
AC 7:46 “David found favor in God’s sight, and asked that he might find a dwelling place for the God of Jacob.
AC 7:47 “But it was Solomon who built a house for Him.
AC 7:48 “However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands; as the prophet says:
AC 7:49 ‘HEAVEN IS MY THRONE,
AND EARTH IS THE FOOTSTOOL OF MY FEET;
WHAT KIND OF HOUSE WILL YOU BUILD FOR ME?’ says the Lord,
‘OR WHAT PLACE IS THERE FOR MY REPOSE?
AC 7:50 ‘WAS IT NOT MY HAND WHICH MADE ALL THESE THINGS?’
AC 7:51 “You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.
AC 7:52 “ Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become;
AC 7:53 you who received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it.”Quote AC 7:54 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the quick, and they began gnashing their teeth at him.
AC 7:55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God;
AC 7:56 and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of Godwas Stephen one that was standing their when Christ says the words ;MT 16:28 “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
???????
Terra.You are going off topic here.
You always quote sriptures without any explanation.
What is exactly your question?That prophet Moses was talking about was Jesus.
It always has been the *Word of God* speaking to Moses.wakeup.
WAKEUPok,lets move this discussion to a better topic ;WOULD YOU LIKE TO set it up FOR US ? ok,
Hi Terra.The topic was the Vision,in Matt.
The question was: was that the second coming,
or just a vision.wakeup.
WAKEUPsory ,this is not good ;
when we talk about God ,this can not be ;you are doing what religion want you to do ,so you never come to the real truth of scriptures ;
so ,we must not try to understand the scriptures in a flaky way,but in clear understanding ,of Gods truth ,NOT OURS,
the only way to do just that ;is to see if all what scriptures is saying about the events ,and similar actions in the past ,and see if their is a forecast on it ;if not ;IT DOES NOT EXIST
but i do not like the title of this topic ;lets change it
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 14 2013,02:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2013,19:57) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,22:51) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2013,12:57) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,16:15) WAKEUP Quote Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall *not taste of death*, till they see the Son of man*coming *in* his kingdom*. AC 7:37 “This is the Moses who said to the sons of Israel, ‘GOD WILL RAISE UP FOR YOU A PROPHET LIKE ME FROM YOUR BRETHREN.’
AC 7:38 “This is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness together with the angel who was speaking to him on Mount Sinai, and who was with our fathers; and he received living oracles to pass on to you.
AC 7:39 “Our fathers were unwilling to be obedient to him, but repudiated him and in their hearts turned back to Egypt,
AC 7:40 SAYING TO AARON, `MAKE FOR US GODS WHO WILL GO BEFORE US; FOR THIS MOSES WHO LED US OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT—WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM.’
AC 7:41 “ At that time they made a calf and brought a sacrifice to the idol, and were rejoicing in the works of their hands.
AC 7:42 “But God turned away and delivered them up to serve the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, ‘IT WAS NOT TO ME THAT YOU OFFERED VICTIMS AND SACRIFICES FORTY YEARS IN THE WILDERNESS, WAS IT, O HOUSE OF ISRAEL?
AC 7:43 ‘YOU ALSO TOOK ALONG THE TABERNACLE OF MOLOCH AND THE STAR OF THE GOD ROMPHA, THE IMAGES WHICH YOU MADE TO WORSHIP. I ALSO WILL REMOVE YOU BEYOND BABYLON.’
AC 7:44 “Our fathers had the tabernacle of testimony in the wilderness, just as He who spoke to Moses directed him to make it according to the pattern which he had seen.
AC 7:45 “And having received it in their turn, our fathers brought it in with Joshua upon dispossessing the nations whom God drove out before our fathers, until the time of David.
AC 7:46 “David found favor in God’s sight, and asked that he might find a dwelling place for the God of Jacob.
AC 7:47 “But it was Solomon who built a house for Him.
AC 7:48 “However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands; as the prophet says:
AC 7:49 ‘HEAVEN IS MY THRONE,
AND EARTH IS THE FOOTSTOOL OF MY FEET;
WHAT KIND OF HOUSE WILL YOU BUILD FOR ME?’ says the Lord,
‘OR WHAT PLACE IS THERE FOR MY REPOSE?
AC 7:50 ‘WAS IT NOT MY HAND WHICH MADE ALL THESE THINGS?’
AC 7:51 “You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.
AC 7:52 “ Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become;
AC 7:53 you who received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it.”Quote AC 7:54 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the quick, and they began gnashing their teeth at him.
AC 7:55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God;
AC 7:56 and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of Godwas Stephen one that was standing their when Christ says the words ;MT 16:28 “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
???????
Terra.You are going off topic here.
You always quote sriptures without any explanation.
What is exactly your question?That prophet Moses was talking about was Jesus.
It always has been the *Word of God* speaking to Moses.wakeup.
WAKEUPok,lets move this discussion to a better topic ;WOULD YOU LIKE TO set it up FOR US ? ok,
Hi Terra.The topic was the Vision,in Matt.
The question was: was that the second coming,
or just a vision.wakeup.
WAKEUPsory ,this is not good ;
when we talk about God ,this can not be ;you are doing what religion want you to do ,so you never come to the real truth of scriptures ;
so ,we must not try to understand the scriptures in a flaky way,but in clear understanding ,of Gods truth ,NOT OURS,
the only way to do just that ;is to see if all what scriptures is saying about the events ,and similar actions in the past ,and see if their is a forecast on it ;if not ;IT DOES NOT EXIST
but i do not like the title of this topic ;lets change it
Terra.Well that is what we have been discussing.
Do you believe its just the one vision.
Or has it got to do with the second coming as
Kangaroojack says it was.wakeup.
Wakeup,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
Wakeup said:Quote KangarooJack. I have to disagree.
This is the Truth or Tradition thread. It appears as if you prefer tradition.Quote HOW MANY SECOND COMINGS ARE THERE? TWO/THREE? Matthew 24:29 **Immediately after the tribulation** of those days shall **the sun be darkened**, **and the moon shall not give her light**, **and the stars shall fall from heaven**, and the **powers of the heavens shall be shaken**:
Matthew 24:30 **And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven**: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall **see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven** with power and great glory**.
DID ALL THAT HAPPEN,IN THE VISION OF MATT.
16:28/ 17:1.2.3.??
John said that he was in the tribulation with the seven churches in Asia.I, John, both[a] your brother and companion in THE TRIBULATION and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev. 1:9 NKJV
John lived through the tribulation with the seven churches of Asia. Christ returned immediately after as promised.
Quote Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh **with clouds**; and **every eye shall see him**, and they also which pierced him: and ****all kindreds of the earth**** shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
This very poor translation. It literally says, “All the tribes of the land….”Lo, he doth come with the clouds, and see him shall every eye, even those who did pierce him, and wail because of him shall all the tribes of the land. Yes! Amen! Young's Literal Translation
The verse is speaking about the tribes of the land of Israel.
Quote THE GREEK DONT SUPPORT IT,BUT THE SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR: EVERY EYE SHALL SEE, AND ALL KINDREDS OF THE EARH SHALL WAIL. AND THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
No! It should read, “all the tribes of the land.” The “tribes” in view were the tribes of Israel. And the “land” in view was the lnad of Israel.I said:
Quote Jesus promised His disciples that some of them would see Him before they died. If the disciples did not see Him, then Jesus was a false prophet. Furthermore, Jesus told His disciples that He was going away and that the world would see Him “no more.” Then He said that they will see Him again in a “little while” (John 14).
Then you replied:Quote THAT HAPPENED WHEN HE WAS IN THE TOMB FOR THEE DAYS; AND THEN CAME TO SHOW HIMSELF TO MARY FIRST, AND THEN STAYED ON EARTH FOR 40 DAYS.
Absolutely not! Jesus said that He was going to the Father. He did not go to the Father until AFTER the 40 days. He was to return in a “little while” after that.Furthermore, He said that the world would see Him “NO MORE.” This means that the world could not see Him ever again including at His coming.
Quote Caiphas did not see the vision.
You plainly contradict Jesus. Jesus EXPLICITLY told Caiaphas that he would see the Son of Man coming “in the clouds.” This is a CLEAR reference to His second coming.This implies that Caiaphas would have to see Him come by a vision because in the clouds He would be hidden form view. The new testament REPEATEDLY says that He would come “in the clouds.” This means that He would be generally hidden from view. The word “cloud” originates from a word which means “covering.” Therefore, His coming was to be hidden from the view of the general population, and that those who would see Him would see Him by a special vision of Him.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2013,21:39) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 14 2013,02:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2013,19:57) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,22:51) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2013,12:57) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,16:15) WAKEUP Quote Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall *not taste of death*, till they see the Son of man*coming *in* his kingdom*. AC 7:37 “This is the Moses who said to the sons of Israel, ‘GOD WILL RAISE UP FOR YOU A PROPHET LIKE ME FROM YOUR BRETHREN.’
AC 7:38 “This is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness together with the angel who was speaking to him on Mount Sinai, and who was with our fathers; and he received living oracles to pass on to you.
AC 7:39 “Our fathers were unwilling to be obedient to him, but repudiated him and in their hearts turned back to Egypt,
AC 7:40 SAYING TO AARON, `MAKE FOR US GODS WHO WILL GO BEFORE US; FOR THIS MOSES WHO LED US OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT—WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM.’
AC 7:41 “ At that time they made a calf and brought a sacrifice to the idol, and were rejoicing in the works of their hands.
AC 7:42 “But God turned away and delivered them up to serve the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, ‘IT WAS NOT TO ME THAT YOU OFFERED VICTIMS AND SACRIFICES FORTY YEARS IN THE WILDERNESS, WAS IT, O HOUSE OF ISRAEL?
AC 7:43 ‘YOU ALSO TOOK ALONG THE TABERNACLE OF MOLOCH AND THE STAR OF THE GOD ROMPHA, THE IMAGES WHICH YOU MADE TO WORSHIP. I ALSO WILL REMOVE YOU BEYOND BABYLON.’
AC 7:44 “Our fathers had the tabernacle of testimony in the wilderness, just as He who spoke to Moses directed him to make it according to the pattern which he had seen.
AC 7:45 “And having received it in their turn, our fathers brought it in with Joshua upon dispossessing the nations whom God drove out before our fathers, until the time of David.
AC 7:46 “David found favor in God’s sight, and asked that he might find a dwelling place for the God of Jacob.
AC 7:47 “But it was Solomon who built a house for Him.
AC 7:48 “However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands; as the prophet says:
AC 7:49 ‘HEAVEN IS MY THRONE,
AND EARTH IS THE FOOTSTOOL OF MY FEET;
WHAT KIND OF HOUSE WILL YOU BUILD FOR ME?’ says the Lord,
‘OR WHAT PLACE IS THERE FOR MY REPOSE?
AC 7:50 ‘WAS IT NOT MY HAND WHICH MADE ALL THESE THINGS?’
AC 7:51 “You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.
AC 7:52 “ Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become;
AC 7:53 you who received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it.”Quote AC 7:54 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the quick, and they began gnashing their teeth at him.
AC 7:55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God;
AC 7:56 and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of Godwas Stephen one that was standing their when Christ says the words ;MT 16:28 “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
???????
Terra.You are going off topic here.
You always quote sriptures without any explanation.
What is exactly your question?That prophet Moses was talking about was Jesus.
It always has been the *Word of God* speaking to Moses.wakeup.
WAKEUPok,lets move this discussion to a better topic ;WOULD YOU LIKE TO set it up FOR US ? ok,
Hi Terra.The topic was the Vision,in Matt.
The question was: was that the second coming,
or just a vision.wakeup.
WAKEUPsory ,this is not good ;
when we talk about God ,this can not be ;you are doing what religion want you to do ,so you never come to the real truth of scriptures ;
so ,we must not try to understand the scriptures in a flaky way,but in clear understanding ,of Gods truth ,NOT OURS,
the only way to do just that ;is to see if all what scriptures is saying about the events ,and similar actions in the past ,and see if their is a forecast on it ;if not ;IT DOES NOT EXIST
but i do not like the title of this topic ;lets change it
Terra.Well that is what we have been discussing.
Do you believe its just the one vision.
Or has it got to do with the second coming as
Kangaroojack says it was.wakeup.
WAKEUPyou make up your own mind ;but this does not give the truth ;from scriptures ;
visions are more allegorical not literal explanations
No scriptures ;your understanding does not stand and so his false ;
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Sep. 14 2013,03:20) Wakeup,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
Wakeup said:Quote KangarooJack. I have to disagree.
This is the Truth or Tradition thread. It appears as if you prefer tradition.Quote HOW MANY SECOND COMINGS ARE THERE? TWO/THREE? Matthew 24:29 **Immediately after the tribulation** of those days shall **the sun be darkened**, **and the moon shall not give her light**, **and the stars shall fall from heaven**, and the **powers of the heavens shall be shaken**:
Matthew 24:30 **And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven**: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall **see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven** with power and great glory**.
DID ALL THAT HAPPEN,IN THE VISION OF MATT.
16:28/ 17:1.2.3.??
John said that he was in the tribulation with the seven churches in Asia.I, John, both[a] your brother and companion in THE TRIBULATION and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev. 1:9 NKJV
John lived through the tribulation with the seven churches of Asia. Christ returned immediately after as promised.
Quote Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh **with clouds**; and **every eye shall see him**, and they also which pierced him: and ****all kindreds of the earth**** shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
This very poor translation. It literally says, “All the tribes of the land….”Lo, he doth come with the clouds, and see him shall every eye, even those who did pierce him, and wail because of him shall all the tribes of the land. Yes! Amen! Young's Literal Translation
The verse is speaking about the tribes of the land of Israel.
Quote THE GREEK DONT SUPPORT IT,BUT THE SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR: EVERY EYE SHALL SEE, AND ALL KINDREDS OF THE EARH SHALL WAIL. AND THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
No! It should read, “all the tribes of the land.” The “tribes” in view were the tribes of Israel. And the “land” in view was the lnad of Israel.I said:
Quote Jesus promised His disciples that some of them would see Him before they died. If the disciples did not see Him, then Jesus was a false prophet. Furthermore, Jesus told His disciples that He was going away and that the world would see Him “no more.” Then He said that they will see Him again in a “little while” (John 14).
Then you replied:Quote THAT HAPPENED WHEN HE WAS IN THE TOMB FOR THEE DAYS; AND THEN CAME TO SHOW HIMSELF TO MARY FIRST, AND THEN STAYED ON EARTH FOR 40 DAYS.
Absolutely not! Jesus said that He was going to the Father. He did not go to the Father until AFTER the 40 days. He was to return in a “little while” after that.Furthermore, He said that the world would see Him “NO MORE.” This means that the world could not see Him ever again including at His coming.
Quote Caiphas did not see the vision.
You plainly contradict Jesus. Jesus EXPLICITLY told Caiaphas that he would see the Son of Man coming “in the clouds.” This is a CLEAR reference to His second coming.This implies that Caiaphas would have to see Him come by a vision because in the clouds He would be hidden form view. The new testament REPEATEDLY says that He would come “in the clouds.” This means that He would be generally hidden from view. The word “cloud” originates from a word which means “covering.” Therefore, His coming was to be hidden from the view of the general population, and that those who would see Him would see Him by a special vision of Him.
Kangaroojack.John was not with the 7churches;he is in his own tribulation being isolated on the island.
Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and ***send it unto the seven churches*** which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
It does not say the tribes of the land in my scripture.
We can not discus the scriptures when the wording can be changed at will.Jesus *did not* see his Father *after* he has seen
his brethren.But he showed himself to mary magdalene.
And told her *not to touch him* for he has not seen the father.The same day he showed himself to his brethren.John 20:16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, **Touch me not**; for I am **not yet ascended to my Father**: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
The world will see him no more untill his second coming.
For every eye shall see him with clouds.
The light would be tremendous.If Jesus said to Caiphas that he will see him coming in clouds,
so he he will see him. He will not be hidden in the clouds
because he and his saints will brighten up the sky.The vision in Matt.17 is just a vision.
That was before his crucifixion.
HOW CAN HIS SECOND COMING BE BEFORE THE CRUCIFIXION?wakeup.
Wakeup said:
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This is a pathetic answer. John said that he was their “companion” in “the tribulation.” John was banished to Patmos for the same tribulation the seven churches were suffering.It does not say the tribes of the land in my scripture.
We can not discus the scriptures when the wording can be changed at will.
I gave you Young's LITERAL translation. Most translations have corrupted what John said. Here is what John said,
7 Lo, he doth come with the clouds, and see him shall every eye, even those who did pierce him, and wail because of him shall all the tribes of the land. Yes! Amen! http://www.biblegateway.com/passage….ion=YLTThe “tribes” are the tribes of Israel and the “land” is the land of Israel.
Quote Jesus *did not* see his Father *after* he has seen
his brethren.But he showed himself to mary magdalene.
And told her *not to touch him* for he has not seen the father.The same day he showed himself to his brethren.
I said that He went to the Father after the 40 days. He said that He was going to the Father and then coming back to them in a “little while.” This means that after Jesus ascended to the Father He came back in a “little while.”Quote The world will see him no more untill his second coming.
Jesus did NOT say that. He said that He would return to them but that the world would see Him “no more.” He came back in ad70. The world did NOT see Him.Quote For every eye shall see him with clouds.
No! Every eye that pierced Him would see Him. He came back “with clouds” and “IN clouds.” The clouds were meant to keep Him hidden from the view of the general population. Their purpose was to COVER Him.Quote HOW CAN HIS SECOND COMING BE BEFORE THE CRUCIFIXION?
Where have I said that His second coming was before His crucifixion?Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Sep. 17 2013,04:32) Wakeup said: Quote
This is a pathetic answer. John said that he was their “companion” in “the tribulation.” John was banished to Patmos for the same tribulation the seven churches were suffering.It does not say the tribes of the land in my scripture.
We can not discus the scriptures when the wording can be changed at will.
I gave you Young's LITERAL translation. Most translations have corrupted what John said. Here is what John said,
7 Lo, he doth come with the clouds, and see him shall every eye, even those who did pierce him, and wail because of him shall all the tribes of the land. Yes! Amen! http://www.biblegateway.com/passage….ion=YLTThe “tribes” are the tribes of Israel and the “land” is the land of Israel.
Quote Jesus *did not* see his Father *after* he has seen
his brethren.But he showed himself to mary magdalene.
And told her *not to touch him* for he has not seen the father.The same day he showed himself to his brethren.
I said that He went to the Father after the 40 days. He said that He was going to the Father and then coming back to them in a “little while.” This means that after Jesus ascended to the Father He came back in a “little while.”Quote The world will see him no more untill his second coming.
Jesus did NOT say that. He said that He would return to them but that the world would see Him “no more.” He came back in ad70. The world did NOT see Him.Quote For every eye shall see him with clouds.
No! Every eye that pierced Him would see Him. He came back “with clouds” and “IN clouds.” The clouds were meant to keep Him hidden from the view of the general population. Their purpose was to COVER Him.Quote HOW CAN HIS SECOND COMING BE BEFORE THE CRUCIFIXION?
Where have I said that His second coming was before His crucifixion?
Kangaroojack.Did you not say that the tranfiguration was
Jesus coming into his kingdom.
Or have I misunderstood you?You claim that the second coming is in 70ad.
and no one could see him.Did this happen in 70ad??
Isaiah 24:20 ***The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard***, and shall be *removed like a cottage*; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and *not rise again*
wakeup.
Quote Hi Terra. The topic was the Vision,in Matt.
The question was: was that the second coming,
or just a vision.wakeup.
YOU TOLD ME I WAS OF TOPIC WEN I WAS NOT ,DEVIOUS MAN ,
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Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2013,13:54) Quote Hi Terra. The topic was the Vision,in Matt.
The question was: was that the second coming,
or just a vision.wakeup.
YOU TOLD ME I WAS OF TOPIC WEN I WAS NOT ,DEVIOUS MAN ,
READ ALL THE QUOTES '
Terra.Quote:
was Stephen one that was standing their when Christ says the words ;MT 16:28 “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.” unquote:Stephens vision is not the same vision of the transfiguration.
He was killed.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2013,12:20) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2013,13:54) Quote Hi Terra. The topic was the Vision,in Matt.
The question was: was that the second coming,
or just a vision.wakeup.
YOU TOLD ME I WAS OF TOPIC WEN I WAS NOT ,DEVIOUS MAN ,
READ ALL THE QUOTES '
Terra.Quote:
was Stephen one that was standing their when Christ says the words ;MT 16:28 “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.” unquote:Stephens vision is not the same vision of the transfiguration.
He was killed.wakeup.
YOU TALK LIKE AN IGNORANT ,you have to do some work ,
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2013,22:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2013,12:20) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2013,13:54) Quote Hi Terra. The topic was the Vision,in Matt.
The question was: was that the second coming,
or just a vision.wakeup.
YOU TOLD ME I WAS OF TOPIC WEN I WAS NOT ,DEVIOUS MAN ,
READ ALL THE QUOTES '
Terra.Quote:
was Stephen one that was standing their when Christ says the words ;MT 16:28 “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.” unquote:Stephens vision is not the same vision of the transfiguration.
He was killed.wakeup.
YOU TALK LIKE AN IGNORANT ,you have to do some work ,
Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother.wakeup.
Wakeup,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
Wakeup said:Quote Did you not say that the tranfiguration was
Jesus coming into his kingdom.
Or have I misunderstood you?
I did NOT say that the transfiguration was Christ's coming in His kingdom.Quote You claim that the second coming is in 70ad.
and no one could see him.
I said that a special vision was needed in order to see Him. Jesus told His disciples that they would see Him. He told Caiaphas and his associates thet they would see Him. And Revelation 1:7 says that every eye of those who pierced Him would see Him.BUT they all needed a special vision in order to see Him because He was to come “in the clouds” which would HIDE Him. The rest of the world did NOT see Him because He came “in the clouds.”
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,07:26) BOY IF ONLY YOU COULD READ THE SCRIPTURES ,AND THE HISTORY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT REALLY SAYS
Terra.Dont depend on history.
The prophesies are clear
There will be a last day great tribulation
The mark of the beast will only be in the last days.
The son of perdition will only come in the last days.
The second coming will be on the last day.
The 7th trump will be on the last day.
The resurrection will be on the last day.
There are still 7trumpets to sound,before the coming.1. One third of the green on fire.
2. A burning mountain/asrteroid fall in the sea
one third of the creatures died,and one third
of the ships destroyed.
3.The rivers will turn bitter/wormwood.
4.The sun and the moon smitten a third part of it.
5. The bottomless pit opened and locust will come
out like horses to battle
6. The gathering of the armies to make war
with the Lamb./armageddon.
7. The last trump,the second coming.Babylon no more/end of babylon.
The kingdom set up.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,03:03) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,07:26) BOY IF ONLY YOU COULD READ THE SCRIPTURES ,AND THE HISTORY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT REALLY SAYS
Terra.Dont depend on history.
The prophesies are clear
There will be a last day great tribulation
The mark of the beast will only be in the last days.
The son of perdition will only come in the last days.
The second coming will be on the last day.
The 7th trump will be on the last day.
The resurrection will be on the last day.
There are still 7trumpets to sound,before the coming.1. One third of the green on fire.
2. A burning mountain/asrteroid fall in the sea
one third of the creatures died,and one third
of the ships destroyed.
3.The rivers will turn bitter/wormwood.
4.The sun and the moon smitten a third part of it.
5. The bottomless pit opened and locust will come
out like horses to battle
6. The gathering of the armies to make war
with the Lamb./armageddon.
7. The last trump,the second coming.Babylon no more/end of babylon.
The kingdom set up.wakeup.
YEAH IT ALL HAPPEN ,BUT IT SEEMS YOU DID NOT SEE IT ,
YOUR LACK IN KNOWLEDGE OF THOSE EVENT ,AND THE MEANING OF THEM ,ARE ESCAPING YOU ,
AND ALL BOILS DOWN TO YOU NOT BELIEVING THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD ;
PLAINLY = THE EFFORT YOU PUT IN GODS WORK IS THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT YOU GET OUT ; DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS
AND YOU ALWAYS WILL HAVE A GOOD PHARISEES NEXT TO YOU READY TO HELP YOU TO SEE IT IN A EASY ,AND LOGICAL ,WELL EXPLAIN WAY THAT TICKLES YOUR EARS ,AND SO STRONG ENOUGH TO KILL YOUR WILL TO KNOW GOD IN TRUTH ,
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,09:03) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,03:03) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,07:26) BOY IF ONLY YOU COULD READ THE SCRIPTURES ,AND THE HISTORY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT REALLY SAYS
Terra.Dont depend on history.
The prophesies are clear
There will be a last day great tribulation
The mark of the beast will only be in the last days.
The son of perdition will only come in the last days.
The second coming will be on the last day.
The 7th trump will be on the last day.
The resurrection will be on the last day.
There are still 7trumpets to sound,before the coming.1. One third of the green on fire.
2. A burning mountain/asrteroid fall in the sea
one third of the creatures died,and one third
of the ships destroyed.
3.The rivers will turn bitter/wormwood.
4.The sun and the moon smitten a third part of it.
5. The bottomless pit opened and locust will come
out like horses to battle
6. The gathering of the armies to make war
with the Lamb./armageddon.
7. The last trump,the second coming.Babylon no more/end of babylon.
The kingdom set up.wakeup.
YEAH IT ALL HAPPEN ,BUT IT SEEMS YOU DID NOT SEE IT ,
YOUR LACK IN KNOWLEDGE OF THOSE EVENT ,AND THE MEANING OF THEM ,ARE ESCAPING YOU ,
AND ALL BOILS DOWN TO YOU NOT BELIEVING THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD ;
PLAINLY = THE EFFORT YOU PUT IN GODS WORK IS THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT YOU GET OUT ; DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS
AND YOU ALWAYS WILL HAVE A GOOD PHARISEES NEXT TO YOU READY TO HELP YOU TO SEE IT IN A EASY ,AND LOGICAL ,WELL EXPLAIN WAY THAT TICKLES YOUR EARS ,AND SO STRONG ENOUGH TO KILL YOUR WILL TO KNOW GOD IN TRUTH ,
Terra.What you need to do is
to point out my mistakes.Such as; this is wrong,because.
That is also wrong;because.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,04:58) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,09:03) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,03:03) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,07:26) BOY IF ONLY YOU COULD READ THE SCRIPTURES ,AND THE HISTORY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT REALLY SAYS
Terra.Dont depend on history.
The prophesies are clear
There will be a last day great tribulation
The mark of the beast will only be in the last days.
The son of perdition will only come in the last days.
The second coming will be on the last day.
The 7th trump will be on the last day.
The resurrection will be on the last day.
There are still 7trumpets to sound,before the coming.1. One third of the green on fire.
2. A burning mountain/asrteroid fall in the sea
one third of the creatures died,and one third
of the ships destroyed.
3.The rivers will turn bitter/wormwood.
4.The sun and the moon smitten a third part of it.
5. The bottomless pit opened and locust will come
out like horses to battle
6. The gathering of the armies to make war
with the Lamb./armageddon.
7. The last trump,the second coming.Babylon no more/end of babylon.
The kingdom set up.wakeup.
YEAH IT ALL HAPPEN ,BUT IT SEEMS YOU DID NOT SEE IT ,
YOUR LACK IN KNOWLEDGE OF THOSE EVENT ,AND THE MEANING OF THEM ,ARE ESCAPING YOU ,
AND ALL BOILS DOWN TO YOU NOT BELIEVING THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD ;
PLAINLY = THE EFFORT YOU PUT IN GODS WORK IS THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT YOU GET OUT ; DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS
AND YOU ALWAYS WILL HAVE A GOOD PHARISEES NEXT TO YOU READY TO HELP YOU TO SEE IT IN A EASY ,AND LOGICAL ,WELL EXPLAIN WAY THAT TICKLES YOUR EARS ,AND SO STRONG ENOUGH TO KILL YOUR WILL TO KNOW GOD IN TRUTH ,
Terra.What you need to do is
to point out my mistakes.Such as; this is wrong,because.
That is also wrong;because.wakeup.
WHY YOU WANT ME TO BE YOUR GUIDEDO YOU NOT LIKE GOD
OR CHRIST OR THE WRITTEN TRUTH IN SCRIPTURES YOU WITH YOUR OWN IDEAS AND ESTABLISHED RULES LIKE “KJV” HIS THE HOLY SCRIPTURES = YOU HAVE CUT YOURSELF OFF FROM LETTING THE SCRIPTURES GUIDE YOU ,BUT WHAT IS ACTUALLY WRITTEN,
YOU HAVE BEEN STUCK ON WORDS ,AND BELIEVED IN OLD WOMEN STORIES .
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