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Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 11 2013,21:42) Wow Stu, you display such a hatred for even the idea of God (before you ask “which god”, the one you've railed against here for going on 6 years). You've exposed an extreme bias and totally blind faith to your “religion”. You regurgitate opinions from the “good ole boy” clubs/networks (your evangelist) and offer them as proof of the “theory of” evolution. Do some critical thinking for a change, eh. (its a disappearing art).
Wm
So you have nothing, right? You don't actually know anything about biology, all you think is that it might be something you should oppose.Why did you even bother posting? Did you feel you had something to contribute? My challenge to you is to actually do some reading, and find out what it is you oppose. Otherwise your voice is the clanging bell of Corinthians, without love for interesting discussion.
Stuart
Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 11 2013,22:07) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 11 2013,18:07) Quote Anyway, as I said before, we actually both agree on something. I believe that the godless do not inherit eternal life and you do too.
I don't believe you inherit an eternal life either. I don't think you realise what a disaster that could be.Stuart
T8,
I guess stu understands the need for judgment before starting eternal life anyway.Wm
Perhaps you can help me here. What I am after is some incantation or witchcraft that I can perform that would guarantee that I would never suffer the indignity of an “eternal life”. What act can I perform in regards to the Judeo-christian god that is unforgivable?I have tried intentional blasphemy, but some christians are still of the opinion that I could be “saved” from even that. I need something that is final and would guarantee my final destruction after I die.
Of course I would be equally happy if you answer was that I didn't need to worry because christianity is a delusion, a cringing infantile system of inducing fear in ancient tribes for political reasons, and none of it is really true. That's what my reading here has confirmed over those years you have been counting that I have been posting.
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 11 2013,22:14) Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 12 2013,01:07) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 11 2013,18:07) Quote Anyway, as I said before, we actually both agree on something. I believe that the godless do not inherit eternal life and you do too.
I don't believe you inherit an eternal life either. I don't think you realise what a disaster that could be.Stuart
T8,
I guess stu understands the need for judgment before starting eternal life anyway.Wm
Yeah the funny thing is I knew he would make that point. He is so predictable. I was going to tell him to read the question again because I knew his rebuttal would be something that we both don't agree with when I specifically stated that we both agree on something.Not the most clever rebuttal in history that's for sure.
You think that I will be judged and found wanting, and you will be transformed into some superbeing and life for an eternity, whatever that platitude means.I think when I die, I just cease to exist as a living organism and my body will become gaseous water, carbon dioxide, ammonia, calcium salts and a few others.
I don't think that represents agreement. My version doesn't involv judgment by a being that clearly has no moral authority to judge.
Stuart
Stu, you should pay attention. I said we agree on that point. The point was that singular example. It doesn't include anything else closely related to that point or food tastes or any other such thing.
Stu, the righteous and godly inherit eternal life. If that upsets you, then it might be time to change. Otherwise if you are happy with the outcome of your life being contained to your body and your life being no better than what it is now, then feel free to continue as you are.
No need to make a complaint. We all have the freedom to choose.
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 12 2013,04:48) Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 11 2013,21:42) Wow Stu, you display such a hatred for even the idea of God (before you ask “which god”, the one you've railed against here for going on 6 years). You've exposed an extreme bias and totally blind faith to your “religion”. You regurgitate opinions from the “good ole boy” clubs/networks (your evangelist) and offer them as proof of the “theory of” evolution. Do some critical thinking for a change, eh. (its a disappearing art).
Wm
So you have nothing, right? You don't actually know anything about biology,Actually my biology teacher once announced to the entire class that I was the smartest one there, but what did he know, he believed in evolution.
Quote all you think is that it might be something you should oppose. I used to believe it stu.
Quote Why did you even bother posting? Just sharing my observation on your bias and how you were skewing what the chart was showing us.
Quote Did you feel you had something to contribute? Obviously you didn't think so.
Quote My challenge to you is to actually do some reading, and find out what it is you oppose. I will continue to do my best.
Quote Otherwise your voice is the clanging bell of Corinthians, without love for interesting discussion. Discussions are good but I love people more and at least I try to say what needs to be said.
Wm
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 12 2013,12:57) Stu, the righteous and godly inherit eternal life. If that upsets you, then it might be time to change. Otherwise if you are happy with the outcome of your life being contained to your body and your life being no better than what it is now, then feel free to continue as you are. No need to make a complaint. We all have the freedom to choose.
You think you can choose to transcend your own death.Many before you have thought the same. From how many of them have we heard since?
Stuart
Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 12 2013,16:41) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 12 2013,04:48) Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 11 2013,21:42) Wow Stu, you display such a hatred for even the idea of God (before you ask “which god”, the one you've railed against here for going on 6 years). You've exposed an extreme bias and totally blind faith to your “religion”. You regurgitate opinions from the “good ole boy” clubs/networks (your evangelist) and offer them as proof of the “theory of” evolution. Do some critical thinking for a change, eh. (its a disappearing art).
Wm
So you have nothing, right? You don't actually know anything about biology,Actually my biology teacher once announced to the entire class that I was the smartest one there, but what did he know, he believed in evolution.
Quote all you think is that it might be something you should oppose. I used to believe it stu.
Quote Why did you even bother posting? Just sharing my observation on your bias and how you were skewing what the chart was showing us.
Quote Did you feel you had something to contribute? Obviously you didn't think so.
Quote My challenge to you is to actually do some reading, and find out what it is you oppose. I will continue to do my best.
Quote Otherwise your voice is the clanging bell of Corinthians, without love for interesting discussion. Discussions are good but I love people more and at least I try to say what needs to be said.
Wm
If you knew something about biology you would have something relevant to say about it. I can't remember you ever saying anything relevant.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 12 2013,20:28) You think you can choose to transcend your own death. Many before you have thought the same. From how many of them have we heard since?
Stuart
Poppycock.
You don't know what happens at death.Quote (t8 @ Jan. 12 2013,21:14) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 12 2013,20:28) You think you can choose to transcend your own death. Many before you have thought the same. From how many of them have we heard since?
Stuart
Poppycock.
You don't know what happens at death.
And you do?Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 07 2013,17:29) Charity, you never have anything good to say. You only tear down and never build up.
Why is your name Charity? Might be time to change it.
It seems you may enjoy destroying a Balancing energy Like a determent child. such as charity… is for the comfort of all man Kind. How interesting.. you think it charity should work for your ego.Do you have a lot of time on your hands charity.
The few I have met, criticize a lot and see things that aren't there.Quote (Stu @ Jan. 13 2013,02:20) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 12 2013,21:14) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 12 2013,20:28) You think you can choose to transcend your own death. Many before you have thought the same. From how many of them have we heard since?
Stuart
Poppycock.
You don't know what happens at death.
And you do?Stuart
Yes, the body goes back into the ground (most of the time) and the spirit goes back to God who gave it.The soul is judged.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 20 2013,20:40) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 13 2013,02:20) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 12 2013,21:14) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 12 2013,20:28) You think you can choose to transcend your own death. Many before you have thought the same. From how many of them have we heard since?
Stuart
Poppycock.
You don't know what happens at death.
And you do?Stuart
Yes, the body goes back into the ground (most of the time) and the spirit goes back to God who gave it.The soul is judged.
And how do you know this?Stuart
When you dig up a grave, you should find a body, but missing the person/life force. (✓)
People who have died and have been brought back, make reference to floating above their own body and seeing a tunnel and a light at the end. (✓)
Even without death, many are shown some of life's great mysteries by an eternal spirit that pervades all of creation. (✓)
The bible teaches that the spirit leaves the body at death and the bible is a credible manual. It contains prophecy for example which is foretells future events, which also is meant to be impossible. (✓)
There are many indicators based on experience and observation, but the only real proof you will get is when you die and experience this for yourself. Your soul will be aware when you die.
I guess you should ask yourself what proof you have that nothing happens after death. (unticked).
Also, I wonder if you even believe if you exist now. I wouldn't put it past you to argue that you don't exist now. What evidence do you have that you exist and what if I answered all of your arguemnts with 'platitude'.
But remember, we are united in this.
You believe that you will not inherit eternal life, and I believe that the godless or those who reject God or even the idea of God will not live forever either. This is our common ground.
Let's go back to the original question:
Could monkeys type the 23rd psalm?
Stu, being a monkey and all, could you do it?
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 22 2013,13:42) Let's go back to the original question: Could monkeys type the 23rd psalm?
Stu, being a monkey and all, could you do it?
Can God Type t8?Can a Thrashed Donkey Talk?
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 20 2013,20:38) Do you have a lot of time on your hands charity.
The few I have met, criticize a lot and see things that aren't there.
Not at all t8, I work for my company's during the Day.In failure only can men are united.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 22 2013,13:40) When you dig up a grave, you should find a body, but missing the person/life force. (✓)
The concept of “life force” was disposed of by science and philosophy in the C19th. But not withstanding that, how does the absence of something tell you about what is happening to it now? (X)Quote People who have died and have been brought back, make reference to floating above their own body and seeing a tunnel and a light at the end. (✓)
You didn’t mention floating or tunnels earlier, so I’ve no idea why you have brought them up in support of your “knowledge” of what happens after death. But in any case we are not talking about people who died, this is the experience of people who lived. (X)Quote Even without death, many are shown some of life's great mysteries by an eternal spirit that pervades all of creation. (✓)
You’re not explaining the source of knowledge, you’re just asserting what you reckon.(X)Quote The bible teaches that the spirit leaves the body at death and the bible is a credible manual. It contains prophecy for example which is foretells future events, which also is meant to be impossible. (✓)
NASA predicts the timing of eclipses to the nearest minute for a couple of hundred years into the future. They’ve got all those examples of foretelling the future right so far. On the other hand, the bible gives at least four different ways of making humans, which isn’t credible.Quote There are many indicators based on experience and observation, but the only real proof you will get is when you die and experience this for yourself. Your soul will be aware when you die.
But since you are explaining how you know what happens after death, the only way you could have any credibility in this claim is if you had discussed it with a person who had died, or you had died yourself. Have you done either of those?Quote I guess you should ask yourself what proof you have that nothing happens after death. (unticked).
I didn’t claim that nothing happens after death.Quote Also, I wonder if you even believe if you exist now. I wouldn't put it past you to argue that you don't exist now. What evidence do you have that you exist and what if I answered all of your arguemnts with 'platitude'.
As I have no way of proving I exist, it has to be a working assumption. I think that is what Descartes really meant too.Quote You believe that you will not inherit eternal life
I don’t know what you mean by that, so how can I agree that I believe it won’t happen?Quote and I believe that the godless or those who reject God or even the idea of God will not live forever either. This is our common ground.
What is a god?Stuart
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