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Quote (t8 @ June 28 2010,08:44) Quote (JustAskin @ June 27 2010,20:01) Hey t8,
That's not fair. Why does he get his at a discount?
He's from New Zealand so no currency conversion fee is required.
Although the usual rollercoaster ride taken by the NZ dollar demands renegotiation on a daily basis!Stuart
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 28 2010,04:24) My beliefs are obvious,
yours are not,
Your beliefs certainly are not obvious. I have no idea what you think a god is.Stuart
Stuart,
Have you had your fill with monkeying around with others.
By the by, to be specific, you did bring 'god' up first, with your comment in regards to Jupiter. Play nice big ape.
I believe a good terminology for god is what you believe in most, for you it is science, at one time if you were of the ancient world of Rome: Mercury would be consider your god, in Greece, Hermes and Egypt, Djehuti.
A god is what you place above all else, some it could be money, work, husband, wife, children, pride anything can be a 'god' in your life. What you give the most esteem too.
Quote (Stu @ July 02 2010,23:10) And where in that is the christian god that deems homosexuals worthy of death? Stuart
Hi Stuart,Worthy of death as in the lack of eternal life, because they will die and be no more.
God is not executing homosexuals like you would expect a murder to be executed.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ July 02 2010,23:10) And where in that is the christian god that deems homosexuals worthy of death? Stuart
Dear Stuart, you know all to well that others have made the list for death, not just homosexuals. Do not be bias it is so unlike you.Sorry, but I still have no idea what either of you you think a god is. In ancient Greece and Rome they had many gods; Aquinas's most estimable god must be his best thing imaginable in any category, but if Aquinas had been a violent criminal then his god might have been the most ruthless and violent thing imaginable. Much of the Jewish bible bears this out!
Because no one can actually categorically state what a god is, I think it is just a mass bluff, a classic case of no one wanting to stand out by calling the emperor naked. I suppose many actually do, but that is usually only cause for mutual group activity to reinforce god belief and ultimately cast out those who are apostates.
All a christian ever seems to give is descriptions and stories exactly as you would find of characters and events in Harry Potter, but with promises that if you don't believe it you will be subjected to some kind of punishment, or exclusion from some special club.
Is Dumbledore god?
Stuart
You have actually read/seen Harry Potter, I find this quite surprising, from a man of your caliber.
I don't know Stuart, you can only reason so much, explain so much, then your left standing with nothing, waiting for something else to come along to start it over again.
I truly am sorry for leaving you wanting in regards to the definition of 'a god'. I do thank you for bringing up this Aquanis fellow, will do some reading up on the individual, sounds quite interesting.
And Stuart, I would not exclude from the club, for some reason you seem to fit in.
Take care dear Stuart.
Quote You have actually read/seen Harry Potter, I find this quite surprising, from a man of your caliber.
Not sure why it is surprising. Have you seen the movies?Quote I don't know Stuart, you can only reason so much, explain so much, then your left standing with nothing, waiting for something else to come along to start it over again.
I think you are left with an increasing body of explanation, one that ends up fitting together in a coherent way to explain how the universe came to be the way it is. At least it is saying something. Judeo-christian mythology actually says nothing that has any more meaning than anyone's crackpot philosophy, because none of it can be falsified.Quote I truly am sorry for leaving you wanting in regards to the definition of 'a god'. I do thank you for bringing up this Aquanis fellow, will do some reading up on the individual, sounds quite interesting.
I certainly don't blame you for not being able to defining “god” to my satisfaction. You can draw what conclusion you want to from the attempt to define god, but for me the exercise confirms that Dumbledore and the Judeo-christian god concept are indistinguishable. If you ask the question “Why do you mean by Dumbledore” you get almost exactly the same answers.Quote And Stuart, I would not exclude from the club, for some reason you seem to fit in.
No disrespect to you, or anyone in particular (OK, disrespect to the pope, any televangelist and any creationist) but christianity is not what I would call ethical.Quote Take care dear Stuart.
And you princess!Stuart
No Stuart I have not read nor seen any Harry Potter movies, for that matter neither has my son.
We have made mention before in regards to what children learn while they are young, you with being taught a religion, I can empathize with you on this, for the modern world gives children the idea that some magic exist out there, and with the wave of a stick or drop of a card they can control the universe, I understand your parallel with christianity. .
Trying to keep my son's feet on the ground is a task that is hard to do, when so many of his friends heads are in the clouds. I do not disagree with you that a child comes to age, they have their own mind and will make their own decisions, I tend to believe it is more of the parent's responsibility to ensure they are ready for these decisions or questions that arrive. I converse with my son on a daily basis, I listen to him, what I learn I talk to him, what he learns he talks to me.
It is understood we will disagree on matters, and it is alright that we do, however it does not change the fact that we love each other, and will bring no harm to one another as some do. Some like to play tit for tat, if this is so, I let them hanging on their tit, for that is where they need to go back and learn again.
I find people place too much condemnation on others, for either what they believe or feel, without fully trying to understand the individual's point of view.
What I find the most appalling is lying to children, this may be due to my childhood, to come to find all the lies that were told to me, my journey for truth took me longer. I do not want the same for my son, or any other.
There are so many different opinions on how the earth came about, as there are stories of creation.
You and I can look at the same and conclude on some, but not on all.
Even though proof is needed for you, it is not for me. I am not a jury nor a judge nor an executioner.
Thanks for listening to my rambling Stuart, you are a dear friend. Even though you may not believe in a creator, I believe one day you will.
Princess
Hi Stuart,
Science suggests it takes life to create life.
They are right as God (Life) created life! (John 1:4)God also said that some in religion and science would say otherwise…
Jeremiah 2:27: Saying to a stock(a cross), Thou art my father;
and to a stone(minerals), Thou hast brought me forth…God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ July 04 2010,18:01) What god, Ed? Stuart
Hi Stuart,That would be THE CREATOR of all matter and the one responsible for THE BIBLE being Written.
His “Name” and title “God” in Hebrew is יהוה האלהים and is Pronounced YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm.
PROOF of God's existence is prevalent through statistical consistencies within The AKJV Bible.
These nonrandom signature anomalies present a big picture of strong statistical evidences!Theomatics clearly illustrate who God is with the use of numbers.
The Divine=63 Deity=63 of The Bible=63 is YHVH=63.
[יהוה] translates directly into English as YHVH.
GOD=26 is יהוה=26 spoken also as YÄ=26.“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], and
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ July 04 2010,23:20) I see Ed, so you mean a fictional character in a book, like Sherlock Holmes. Stuart
Hi Stuart,Why do you turn your back to my documented evidence of intelligent design,
designed through L O N G time scales and even crossing through “Three” languages?
And then say because germs transmute, that somehow equates to mammals doing the same;
when no evidence has ever been documented of a beneficial mutation in mammals?
Seems you have blindly accepted the religion of Darwinian Atheism; huh?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgP of the K
Quote No Stuart I have not read nor seen any Harry Potter movies, for that matter neither has my son. We have made mention before in regards to what children learn while they are young, you with being taught a religion, I can empathize with you on this, for the modern world gives children the idea that some magic exist out there, and with the wave of a stick or drop of a card they can control the universe, I understand your parallel with christianity.
Do children really think magic exists in the way portrayed by JK Rowling? I don’t think so, they can distinguish reality from fantasy. If not, at least I think few parents would lie to their children about whether you can really wave a stick and control the world. What if a child asks questions about whether christian mythology is really true? Which lies are acceptable? That people can walk again after they have been executed? That people can be born of only one parent? That there really is a place where you will be subjected to fire as a punishment? Parents who tell these lies to their children while stopping them from watching Harry Potter for reasons to do with their religion are hypocrites, in my opinion. What if their children don’t share their christian fantasy beliefs? Why should they have to?Quote Trying to keep my son's feet on the ground is a task that is hard to do, when so many of his friends heads are in the clouds. I do not disagree with you that a child comes to age, they have their own mind and will make their own decisions, I tend to believe it is more of the parent's responsibility to ensure they are ready for these decisions or questions that arrive. I converse with my son on a daily basis, I listen to him, what I learn I talk to him, what he learns he talks to me.
I am convinced that parenting is the most difficult job encountered by anyone in everyday life. It is essential that children are encouraged to develop a critical capacity.Quote It is understood we will disagree on matters, and it is alright that we do, however it does not change the fact that we love each other, and will bring no harm to one another as some do. Some like to play tit for tat, if this is so, I let them hanging on their tit, for that is where they need to go back and learn again.
I find people place too much condemnation on others, for either what they believe or feel, without fully trying to understand the individual's point of view.
Ignorance demands learning, but nasty beliefs need challenging. I guess the word nasty implies a personal value judgement. My value judgement is that Christianity fails on many points of universally-held ethics.Quote What I find the most appalling is lying to children, this may be due to my childhood, to come to find all the lies that were told to me, my journey for truth took me longer. I do not want the same for my son, or any other.
I’m sure honesty is one of the most significant qualities children will admire in their parents later in life. I think that includes admitting when an answer is unknown. I wonder how it plays out in regards to religious belief. How many parents or caregivers have the integrity to say “I believe Jesus died for my sins, but the evidence for this is poor and I believe it mainly on faith”?Quote There are so many different opinions on how the earth came about, as there are stories of creation.
I think there are two opinions: the one that says you must use magic to explain things because there is one or other religious mythology that will be redundant if you don’t, and the second that is science, with its minor variations on the same ideas, all of which live or die on evidence.Quote You and I can look at the same and conclude on some, but not on all.
I believe in the explanation that requires the fewest assumptions.Quote Even though proof is needed for you, it is not for me. I am not a jury nor a judge nor an executioner.
If I am to accept the claims of others without evidence then I am open to any old claim made by any old crackpot. For example, the miserable view that all humans are sinners is made without reference to what humans actually do on a daily basis. It is compounded by the fact that “sin” is so poorly defined in the NT as to be an unjust concept anyway. So when I am called a “sinner” I ask for the definition of that word, and the evidence that supports the accusation. It usually turns out to be a nonsense generalisation about me “not being godly”. That same accuser is never able to define even the “god” part of that word.Quote Thanks for listening to my rambling Stuart, you are a dear friend. Even though you may not believe in a creator, I believe one day you will.
And you to my rambling also! The concept of a creator seems to be a human need for some people. It does not appear to have any use in explaining the operation of the universe though. Many people claim they discover this god thing, whatever it is, at times of desperation. I assume you are not wishing desperate times on me, princess!Take care
Stuart
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