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Gene: Vaccines improve most people’s chances of fighting off those flu’s. But other factors also come into play, there is no guarantee if you get the virus you will not die, even if you have had the vaccines , I think they just improve your odds.
Adam: I agree with brother Gene.
To both of you I only ask for evidence. Unvaxxed people die from flus, and so do vaxxed people. So how were you two able to determine that vaxxes make any difference at all, let alone that they help?
In fact, in the case of Covid 19, the VAST majority of people being hospitalized and dying are vaxxed. Here’s a Kiwi (maybe Proclaimer will pay attention to his own countryman) laying out the actual, current official data as presented from the official governments of many nations…
Invest 2 minutes of your life in learning some real truth.
Proclaimer: 1) When an antivaxxer dies of Covid-19, does this means they made a mistake not getting vaccinated?
2) If you knew what you know now six months ago, would you warn Rob Skiba and tell him to get vaccinated?
1. That’s a trick question, because there is no “vaccine” against Covid – only untested experimental gene-altering injections whose dire consequences are already unequaled in 100 years of vaccines, and whose final death/disease totals won’t be fully understood for many years. But unequivocally NO – refusing to subject yourself to this experimental RNA code that tells your body to do things God didn’t design it to do is NOT a mistake by any means, in any case.
2. I would warn Skiba what I warned Gene in this thread: Please, for the love of God, have some Ivermectin on hand and ready to go in case you do catch a bad case of this Covid flu.
Gene, Adam and Proclaimer, why do you think these people are exempt from vax mandates?
Why do you suppose that many of our “leaders” have already been treated for Covid with Ivermectin – while they pass laws that make it hard for the rest of us to even get it?
Any ideas?
This is so good I had to paste it all…
Wake up, you idiots! If you willingly got the genetic-modification treatment known as the COVID-19 “vaccine” (Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, AstraZeneca, etc.), you were tricked into injecting a harmful, dangerous, unapproved, and often lethal product into your body. A wholly unnecessary product that does not protect you, does not provide immunity or prevent transmission of the virus—but does wreck your immune system, damages your organs, causes blood clots and internal inflammation, and renders you more susceptible to many diseases, including cancer.
Because you took the “vaccine”, your body is manufacturing millions or billions of spike proteins. The spike protein is toxic, pathogenic (disease-causing), and coagulatory (it causes blood clots). These synthetic spike proteins made by your cells are supposedly identical to the spike protein in the SARS-CoV-2 virus, as determined by computer modeling of genetic fragments supplied to the U.S. from Chinese laboratories controlled by the Chinese Communist Party.
That’s what your body is producing by the millions or billions, confusing the hell out of your immune system, weakening its ability to make essential helper T cells and CD8 cells which ward off other viruses and diseases.
The lipid hydrogel that coats the fragile mRNA strands in the Pfizer and Moderna shots contains nanoparticles that cross the blood-brain barrier, causing paralysis, uncontrollable convulsions, neurodegenerative diseases, permanent vision loss, spinal damage, and more. Hundreds of thousands of people have suffered these “side effects”—or dropped dead—within hours or days after getting the jab.
The vaccine manufacturers knew full well about all of the potential adverse reactions. Therefore, the so-called “vaccine” is a bioweapon. Its only conceivable purpose is depopulation. The “vaccine” has nothing to do with improving your health. It’s an instrument of social control, part of the Great Reset aiming for an authoritarian technofascist society where “you will own nothing, and you’ll be happy,” as per the World Economic Forum.
You should know:
* The lockdowns you observe as a key ritual in your new State Religion—the Covidian Cult—are absurd and have no scientific basis.
* Your face-diapers (“masks”) are useless. There is no scientific basis to warrant their use, but they do increase bacterial diseases in the mask-wearer and are especially dangerous for children, blocking the flow of oxygen and potentially injuring their brains.
* The fraudulent PCR test is a scam. It’s incapable of diagnosing any illness or infection, as pointed out by Dr. Kary Mullis, Nobel Prize-winning inventor of the PCR technique. The CDC, FDA, and WHO have all officially admitted that the PCR test is worthless and can’t differentiate between COVID-19 and the seasonal flu or common cold! The diagnostic tests being introduced in December to replace the phony PCR test are all “Emergency Use Authorization” gimmicks, as meaningless as the PCR test.
* The PCR test yields false-positives up to 97% of the time. Yet this junk data was (and is) used as the basis to declare a pandemic and enforce lockdowns, masks, social distancing, and mandated vaccines.
The Powers That Be tested your willingness to comply. To be misled. To do irrational, self-destructive things. And you obeyed, you fell for it. You fell for the scamdemic, predicated on a respiratory virus that is less dangerous than the seasonal flu according to the governments’ own statistics.
The people whom you label “anti-vaxxers” or “conspiracy theorists” are no such thing. They’re ordinary people, just like you. But unlike you, they used common sense. They were not cowed by the Mainstream Media’s 24/7 fear-mongering campaign of lies and disinformation. They did their homework and quickly discovered that the so-called Covid “vaccines” are a great hazard thousands of times more dangerous than any alleged “novel coronavirus”.
Guess who’s exempt from all requirements and mandates to get the COVID-19 “vaccine”? The following people are totally exempt: all US Senators and House Representatives plus all Congressional staff; 6,000 White House employees; all employees of Pfizer (2,500), Moderna (1,500), and Johnson & Johnson (120,000); 15,000 CDC workers; and 14,000 FDA employees.
Now do you see the elephant in the room? The Pharma-controlled politicians, the vaccine companies, the corrupt CDC and FDA health agencies owned by Big Pharma, the government officials who are forcing the death-shots on the rest of us…They are all EXEMPT from getting the jab. They know what’s in the poisonous serum and what harm it can do. But you must take it or lose your job. You must get jabbed with the genetic cocktail if you want to go shopping or eat at a restaurant.
Do you see how insane and criminal this is? Do you still think it’s a “crazy conspiracy theory”? You’re close. It’s an insane conspiracy indeed, hatched by eugenicists, depopulation advocates, super-wealthy oligarchs, and One World Government proponents over twenty years ago.
Oh, I almost forgot… Two million illegal aliens are also exempted from the vaccines by the unelected President Biden, so that they can flood the country, get bussed or jet-planed to Republican states, and spread sickness and death while they receive endless government hand-outs and vote Democrat. And the Republicans are letting it happen.
If you got the clot-shot because of fear of losing your job, then my apologies to you, you are in a very tough situation.
If you willingly got the jab and you’re proud of it—like Jennifer Aniston, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Dolly Parton, Hugh Jackman, Kathy Hochul (NY Governor), Don Lemon (CNN), Mike Pence, Martha Stewart, Amber Heard, Bruce Springsteen, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Jane Fonda, Bernie Sanders, Greta Thunberg, Willie Nelson, and many more—then you’re an ignorant fool. You’re an obedient disciple of the new State Religion, Branch Covidian. You fell for an Official Narrative which has holes in it bigger than moon-craters. The Official Narrative has been completely demolished, but you were brainwashed and you’re still living dangerously in an alternate reality that’s been superimposed on the real, actual unfolding horror-show of escalating tyranny.
You need to be deprogrammed.
You need to never take another genetic Covid “vaccine” or booster ever again.
You need to tell your friends and family and everyone you know to stay away from these kill-shots.
Wake up and smell the coffee! It’s not too late to remove yourself from the Covidian Cult. If you got the kill-shot, there are many things you can do to strengthen your immune system and reduce the odds of vaccine-induced disease or death down the road.
The Unvaxxed are not your enemies. They present absolutely no danger to you, despite the controlled media’s blatant lies claiming there’s a “Pandemic of the unvaccinated”. Just the opposite is true: Tens of thousands of healthy, unvaxxed people who’ve been in close proximity to the vaxxed are suffering terrible problems, apparently caused by the vaxxed individuals’ shedding of spike protein through breath, saliva, perspiration, and urine. These very real problems include agonizing menstrual pain, bleeding while pregnant, miscarriages, massive blood clots, severe muscular pain, random bruising all over the body, nonstop migraines, pericarditis, autoimmune diseases, shingles, and even Bell’s palsy (facial paralysis).
To put it bluntly, the vaccinated are “lepers” whom the unvaxxed would do well to avoid prolonged contact with. Many hair salons, beauty parlors, and holistic doctors are now refusing to see anyone who has been vaccinated for COVID-19.
The Unvaxxed are not your enemies. Once you realize what’s been done to you, and why, please come join with the Unvaxxed to defeat a common enemy, to expose and punish the monsters who perpetrated this colossal fraud, and to reverse the totalitarian measures that, if allowed to continue, will destroy the USA, physically, morally, and politically.
Related Reading & Viewing:
Stealthy COVID Global Depopulation Scheme Explained In Detail (video) https://stateofthenation.co/?p=95746
How Operation COVID-19 & Covid Super Vaccination Agenda Complement Each Other to Kill and Sicken a Maximum Number of Human Beings Without Detection https://stateofthenation.co/?p=95290
Dr. Shankara Chetty, an Indian-origin doctor based in South Africa, explains how the Covid “vaccines” were designed to wreak widespread damage on humans in such a way that fatalities will be attributed to other causes: “This plan is to make sure that we can control and kill off a large proportion of our population without anyone suspecting that we were poisoned….”
The Covid “Vaccine” Has Caused a Pandemic. Paul Craig Roberts https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2021/11/20/the-covid-vaccine-has-caused-a-pandemic
The Killer in the Bloodstream: the ‘Spike Protein’. Mike Whitney
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-killer-in-the-bloodstream-the-spike-protein
The Covid-19 Pandemic Does Not Exist – Part I. Prof. Michel Chossudovsky https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-covid-19-pandemic-does-not-exist/5760903
Mayo Clinic-trained doctor says covid “vaccines” are locking in suppressed immunity, making people more prone to HIV, HPV, shingles, herpes https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-11-19-covid-vaccines-suppressed-immunity-hiv-hpv-herpes.html
The Vaccine Death Report. David John Sorensen and Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, M.D. (pdf downloadable free) https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/downloads/en/vaccines/vaccine-death-report.pdf
“The purpose of this report is to document how all over the world millions of people have died, and hundreds of millions of serious adverse events have occurred, after injections with the experimental mRNA gene therapy. We also reveal the real risk of an unprecedented genocide.”
“COVID-19 and the PCR Test — No Pandemic, Only Junk Data!” https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-pcr-test-no-pandemic-only-junk-data/5746038junk
AN OPEN LETTER: America Must Rise Up — A Declaration for ReFounding America Now. Peter R. Breggin MD, Peter A. McCullough MD, MPH, Ginger R. Breggin, Elizabeth Lee Vliet MD, Vladimir “Zev” Zelenko MD
https://stateofthenation.co/?p=95648
Keep Complying, Idiots. Paul Joseph Watson (video) https://summit.news/2021/11/18/keep-complying-idiots
I quite like Paul Watson. He explodes truth bombs all the time. But that doesn’t make him 100% correct.
But I feel you are like a Trinitarian. You start with the conclusion and then compile anything that remotely supports your view and ignore anything contrary to your view.
I am sure there are some aspects of what you say that is correct, but in my honest opinion, I do not feel your whole argument is correct. Like the Flat Earth that you support, I feel you have to ignore a whole lot of truth in order to get behind it.
And the fact that you teach a flat earth could easily mean that many of your other opinions are probably wrong too.
The thing about the Internet is you can copy and paste a ton of stories based on anything. I could paste dozens of compelling UFO alien contact testimonies if I wanted to convince you that lizard shape shifters were amongst us.
Mike, the idea that the vaccinated will drop dead in a matter of a few years cannot be proved right now. But what we can prove is that people drop dead from Covid-19 within days. Even you have to admit this is a correct conclusion so far. Listen to what Skiba said before he died:
‘To those who disagree with my position on our current situation… One of us is right,” he wrote. “Unless YHWH miraculously intervenes, based on what I’m seeing/hearing, the one scenario that really does appear to be coming into focus is the likelihood that within I’d say 2 to 3 years or so… one of us will probably be dead. Truly, I take no joy in saying this, nor will I if I’m the one still standing.”
So who is left standing?
Even you have to admit that his words were true, but not toward the conclusion that you prefer.
Rob Skiba’s death was not the result of getting Covid – but of being unprepared to knock it out with Ivermectin or HCQ. Then he made the fatal mistake of going to the hospital – which is PAID a bunch of money for every Covid case, intubation, and death.
You say that Covid-19 is a mild flu. So Skiba died of a mild flu?
You expect me to believe that Skiba preached about not needing a vaccine for this mild flu and then he dies from this mild flu. What are the odds? Maybe both of you are / were wrong?
This guy’s medical practice is not too far from me. About a 5 to 10 minute drive in fact.
I listened to the video for that reason.
I am not so sure about many of his comments.
Because no one is arguing that vaccines are 100% safe and that they stop the virus 100%.
So arguing this as if it is the claim is not helping anyone because that simply is not the case.
What the vaccines do in the case of Covid-19 is lessen the chance of death or severe reaction and there is also a reduced chance of passing the vaccine on too.
So now that this has been put to bed, how many people are suffering serious adverse reactions to the vaccines?
I take my own little world where I know from extended family and friends some who have died from the virus in Colombia. But I do not know a single person in my extended family and friends in any country that has died from the vaccine or has been seriously hurt by them. Yes I have read some of your posts etc, but I am simply taking my own world where I can verify if the story is true. My experience reflects the stats that are put out there that say that you are better of with the vaccine than without. Not conclusive I know, but you have given me no proof that you are better off catching Covid-19 without the vaccine than with it. So I prefer to stick with the science and personal observation for now.
What I can verify in my own world if I ignore all stats from the government and yourself is that people have died from Covid-19 and also can suffer from long term symptoms. But not one person has had a bad reaction for suffered from a vaccine.
I am watching this space closely because 3 members of my family including myself have been vaccinated. I have one 11 year old who is not. If I could get proof that the vaccine is more dangerous than the virus, then I would not get my child vaccinated as he turns 12 very soon. On the other hand, if I abstained from getting him vaccinated because of what you are telling me and he gets Covid-19 and something serious happens to him, I would hold you partially responsible for him not being protected. Yes it would be my fault. But it would be your fault for convincing me to not vaccinate him. What do you say about that?
But let me be clear at this stage. I do not believe much of what you espouse here. I think you are a Conspiracy Theorist. Not a scientist. Your flat earth belief and arguments have seriously dented your reputation in my eyes. For this reason and others, I take what you say with a pinch of salt.
Mike…..I do believe the CDC death rates are pretty accurate. And that they have been over played by hospitals and the media. But the death rate of vaccinated people has seen a significant drop in death rates I believe. There could be other reasons for that, like all the Pryor severely sick from other thing have died by now, by the added COVID-19 virus infection, so the death rates have naturally SIGNIFICANTLY dropped off.
But as I said before, getting a vaccine doesn’t prevent you from attracting the virus, but gives you an edge in fighting it, as all flue vaccines do also I believe.peace and love to you and yours Mike………gene
Proclaimer: I am sure there are some aspects of what you say that is correct, but in my honest opinion, I do not feel your whole argument is correct.
All you have to do is look at the OFFICIAL data, Proclaimer. For example, there are MORE hospitalizations and deaths *attributed to* Covid 19 after the injections began than before them. So does the vax actually help anyone in any way? You and Gene keep parroting the MSM line that the vaxxes don’t stop the spread of Covid (apparently oblivious to the fact that you’re really admitting they don’t work), but they lessen the severity of it. What data sets are you using to make this conclusion? If you two (three counting Adam) were to be HONEST with yourselves, you’d have to acknowledge that you’re not going off of ANY actual data set – but merely repeating the ENTIRELY BASELESS claims that Big Pharma and the MSM have made in their effort to make billions of dollars.
Listen closely:
1. MORE hospitalizations and deaths now than before the vaxxes.
2. Of those hospitalizations and deaths, a major majority are among the vaxxed.
3. The most vaxxed nations have the highest rates of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths – while in the least vaxxed nations, Covid is a thing of the past… no more a threat than the common cold.
4. In Florida, Governor Ron DeSantis said no to mask mandates, vax mandates, and lockdowns. The MSM went ballistic, saying he was handing out a death sentence to all Floridians. They even called him Ron DeathSantis in all of their publications and TV shows. Now, a few months later, and Florida has the LOWEST Covid rates of all 50 states in America.
Do any of these things even register with you? And what about deaths and serious diseases caused BY the injections?
A Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request was made to Pfizer for their internal scientific documents related to testing and other info concerning their Covid injection. Pfizer took it to court and tried to get the judge to delay the information for 55 YEARS! Why on earth would they do that? Why would they try to HIDE this info from the public for such a long time? What does that tell us, Proclaimer?
Fortunately, the judge was having no part of this, and ordered Pfizer to start releasing 500 pages per month. Well, in the very first 30 pages (which any of us can read for ourselves)…
Can you see that data? This is Pfizer’s own data – that they tried to conceal for 55 years. By Feb, there were already 1200 deaths reported, and tens of thousands of serious adverse reactions! Today there are many, many millions!
Now compare that to the Swine Flu vaccine of 2008. After only 27 (TWENTY-SEVEN!) deaths had been reported, they pulled the vaccine completely. (Of course they then “repurposed” it for use in Africa, and millions of innocent children died as a result.) But after only 27 American deaths, the program was stopped. And today we have Pfizer, knowing that at least 1200 people had already died from their injection WHILE they were still fighting to get their FDA approval!
What do you make of this?
Proclaimer: You say that Covid-19 is a mild flu. So Skiba died of a mild flu?
I don’t say it… the DATA says it. And as with any mild flu (like we deal with every single year), the elderly and those with comorbidities are susceptible to hospitalization and even death.
So let’s do some math: America usually has between 30 and 50 million cases of flu each year – resulting in 10-20 thousand deaths. In 2020, America recorded 1800 cases of flu, and zero deaths. But at the same time, we recorded 50 million cases of Covid, and 10 thousand deaths (using the CDC’s own numbers after they finally distinguished people dying WITH Covid from people dying OF Covid). In short, America experienced ZERO excess deaths in 2020 over the previous 4 years.
So what made 2020 such a scary year over any other year? The MSM reporting on every single death and hyping up this mild common cold known as Covid 19. That’s it. That’s all there was to it. The same number of people died as any other year, but we don’t usually have tickers at the bottom of the CNN broadcast constantly running off the numbers of daily deaths.
As for Rob Skiba, there is no proof he had Covid – nor will there ever be. The PCR tests produce 95% false positives, and can’t even distinguish between Covid and a common cold/flu. But it is a FACT that American hospitals were paid $13k for every Covid diagnosis, and another $26k for every Covid case that had to be intubated. In other words, hospitals would be stupid to NOT diagnose EVERYONE (including car crash deaths, etc) as Covid deaths – which they willingly did to get that money. And they would be stupid to NOT try to put everyone they could on a ventilator (which they also did).
But few people know that being put on a ventilator is virtually a death sentence. They put you in a coma, shove a tube down your throat, and you lay there unconscious until you die. I just showed you the story of Sun Ng, right? His family had to take the hospital to court just to allow his own doctor to give him Ivermectin. Two days after the Ivermectin treatments began, he was OFF the ventilator. Three days after that, he was almost back to 100%.
And that’s what happened with Skiba – without the intervention of Ivermectin. He went in with low oxygen levels and pneumonia – which very well may have been the result of the combination of overwork/dehydration/comorbidity and any common cold/flu, including the mild flu known as Covid 19. But it was his treatment in the hospital that killed him. Instead of giving him oxygen, intravenous vitamins, Ivermectin, etc – they immediately put him in a coma and shoved a tube down his throat until he died and they got their $39k in murder money.
So yes… Covid 19 is a mild flu, no more deadly than ANY seasonal flu. The difference is that they WANT as many deaths as they can attribute to this particular flu, and are bribing doctors and hospitals with big money to produce those deaths for them.
Now you only need ask yourself: WHY do they want so many Covid deaths? WHY do they want to make this particular coronavirus (ie: common cold) so deadly and scary? And the answer is right in front of your nose. It has been there all along.
Proclaimer: This guy’s medical practice is not too far from me. About a 5 to 10 minute drive in fact.
I listened to the video for that reason.
I am not so sure about many of his comments.
His comments are derived from the actual OFFICIAL government data from many nations around the world. For example, he mentioned Waterford, Ireland – which has the most Covid cases in the country – and boasts a whopping 99.7% vaccination rate.
He didn’t just pull those numbers from his ass, Proclaimer. Those are the OFFICIAL data!
So you can be “not so sure” as long as you want to be. But the data is streaming in from all over the world, and it is irrefutable: The nations with the highest vax rates also have the highest Covid 19 case, hospitalization, and death rates. The nations with the lowest vax rates (especially those who chose Ivermectin/HCQ as prevention instead of vaxxes) have the lowest Covid 19 case, hospitalization, and death rates.
We in America are currently relying on the data from other nations, because the CDC thought it’d be a good idea to stop releasing US data. Hmm… maybe they’re trying to hang on to that data for 55 years too?
Proclaimer: I do not believe much of what you espouse here. I think you are a Conspiracy Theorist. Not a scientist. Your flat earth belief and arguments have seriously dented your reputation in my eyes. For this reason and others, I take what you say with a pinch of salt.
My arguments about the Biblical shape of the earth and about this scamdemic are derived from actual data – just like my arguments for the preexistence of Jesus and against the Trinity Doctrine are.
But for now, I’m just awaiting your explanation for why the vision Satan supposedly gave Jesus included an event that would only be possible on a flat earth – when the actual earth is a ball.
Likewise, why would the vision/dream that Jehovah gave to King Nebuchadnezzar (and the explanation of the dream Jehovah gave to Daniel) include an event that would only be possible on a flat earth – when the actual earth is a ball?
What say you?
My arguments about the Biblical shape of the earth and about this scamdemic are derived from actual data – just like my arguments for the preexistence of Jesus and against the Trinity Doctrine are.
Your no1 proof verse about the circle of the earth worked to the favor of the globe. The disc only appears circular if you are at the right angle.
Globe won that point Mike.
Your no2 verse doesn’t work on a Flat Earth. You cannot stand on a hill in the Middle East and see all the kingdoms of the world from there, even if you used infrared.
Globe wins again.
Join the winning team Mike. Step up a dimension. Try to think outside the circle to a sphere. That shape that the other planets clearly are.
But for now, I’m just awaiting your explanation for why the vision Satan supposedly gave Jesus included an event that would only be possible on a flat earth – when the actual earth is a ball.
Sorry, that is not physically possible on a flat earth.
There would be mountains in the way.
He had a vision.
Move on.
What is your no3 verse? Or your new no1 verse?
His comments are derived from the actual OFFICIAL government data from many nations around the world. For example, he mentioned Waterford, Ireland – which has the most Covid cases in the country – and boasts a whopping 99.7% vaccination rate.
Your missing the point.
I’ll simplify it for you.
- He lives in an area where over 90% are vaccinated. Thus, that is nine times more vaccinated people getting Covid and going to hospital if the vaccine doesn’t work.
- If it helps lessen the chances of death and serious symptoms, then it will be less than 90%.
Seems logical Mike. If you have to fight an army of invaders and you have some defenders, then you might lessen the damage. If you have zero defenders, then the invaders will inflict 100% possible damage.
Numbers don’t lie
And what about deaths and serious diseases caused BY the injections?
How many have died from these injections in New Zealand?
Here are the stats for Covid. Yes, probably exaggerated, but where are the stats for the greater numbers of vaccinated deaths? Out of NZ’s Covid cases, I know one family that suffered the disease caused by the virus.
Yet, I know hundreds of people personally who are vaccinated? Not one person in my son’s college, not one person in my suburb, not one person in football, not one person in my Facebook friend list, and not one famous person either has suffered because of the vaccine. What are the chances Mike? Numbers don’t lie.
Hospitalized vaccinated people explanation
One thing to consider is that most hospitalized patients with the Omicron version of Covid in South Africa are there because of other issues. Hospitals test all patients for Covid, so that is mostly why vaccinated patients are in hospital to begin with. It turns out that many of these patients do not need oxygen or other serious attention as they are incidental admissions. It does make sense. Before Covid, people were admitted to hospital. After Covid, people will still be admitted to hospital for whatever reason. And given how contagious Covid is, a high percentage will have the virus. This is good news.
The guy in the video does caution that there remains the possibility that Covid has exacerbated the other issues and the reason why they were hospitalised in the first place. But it seems that the usual oxygen treatment and other important treatments are on the wane. In fact, they are in line with normal statistics pre-Covid.
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