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Hi not3,
The monogenes son, who was before Abraham, David and John chose obedience, emptied himself was sent into the world in the likeness of men.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2008,17:29) Hi not3,
The monogenes son, who was before Abraham, David and John chose obedience, emptied himself was sent into the world in the likeness of men.
OK.This is the quilt of your belief system, all nicely sewn together in one sentence. Many verses and ideas into one dogma. Sounds good, but I don't agree with your interpretation.
You interpret “before Abraham” as being a physical/spiritual existence – I do not – scripture lends itself to both views.
You interpret “emptied himself” as having to do with pre-life in heaven with God – I do not – again scripture lends itself to both views.
You interpret “likeness of men” as meaning he only took on flesh and the body prepared for him, that he wasn't truly conceived and united with Mary's DNA – I do not – but scripture can tell both stories at the same time.
Who's right? I guess we'll never know until that Day. Until then, thanks for sharing your view of the scriptures.
But conception is conception. It's a basic. All the rest is dancing around the obvious and simplistic, imo.
Hi not3,
Conception relates to bodies.
We are all more than just bodies.
A body was prepared for the Son.Bodies are not “prepared” for individuals. They are created by the breath of God, or they are created in the womb of a women.
Both have procedures and rules to follow.
You change the rules to suit your theology.
Hi not3,
I tell you what scripture says.
But it offends you?Hebrews 10:5
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2008,17:58) Hi not3,
I tell you what scripture says.
But it offends you?Hebrews 10:5
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Ha – no scripture does not offend me. But your interpretation of that scripture does at times.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2008,18:04) Hi not3,
How should it be shown?
Just as it is in the gospels.I think those brother's did a fine job.
Quote (Not3in1 @ May 31 2008,18:00) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2008,17:58) Hi not3,
I tell you what scripture says.
But it offends you?Hebrews 10:5
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Ha – no scripture does not offend me. But your interpretation of that scripture does at times.
Hi not3,
This one you were offended by.Nice Sis, Keep going on.
Hi Nick, you can not appreciate the sound interpretation of scriptures as you are filled with free conceived ideas like you always quote terms like 'monogene son or body prepared'. Why you are so much involved in twisting simple verses towards your beliefs. Jesus conceived in a unique way in the womb of Mary thats why he is called 'monogenes son' not that he was begotten in some mystified way assexual or some thing like that as somebody was quoting.
A body prepared for me – is also another way of telling about his human nature. His origins are from God the Father not that he was pre-existing as a separate being with the Father before his birth. He was in the mind of God. Some say he was in the bossom of the Father. Any son who is born into this world will have his origins in his father, as it is mentioned in Hebrews 'Levi was in the lions of his father Abraham'. Why you want to make Jesus' birth so different when the Bible says he was conceived by Mary?
take care
AdamQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2008,18:35) Hi not3,
Same thing?
So give us yours
Your words are not on par with scripture, Nick.
I can be offended by your interpretation and not be offended at all by the scriptures you quote. So, no, it's not the same thing bro.
It looks like Adam is giving you a good explaination of the “body prepared for me” bit. I've also given you my take on this before. This conversation is not new to us. We've gone around and around before.
When the gospels use plain language to describe Jesus enterance on the scene, we should not complicate it. Instead, combine conception/pregnancy/birth with the ideas around “body prepared for me”…..you can draw some conclusions here that would go from dot-to-dot. Instead of decided that because the language says a “body prepared for me” that it means something entirely different from what the bible said earlier…….
God sees us as we are “knit together in the womb”. Could that also be a “body prepared” for Jesus? Sure it could. Would that mess with your theology? Sure it would.
So, you see it differently. That's cool. We all tend to see things a bit differently.
Quote (gollamudi @ May 31 2008,18:36) Any son who is born into this world will have his origins in his father, as it is mentioned in Hebrews 'Levi was in the lions of his father Abraham'.
Yes! I love that passage. I've shared that here before but it didn't seem to make anything more clear.Yea Sis,
I wonder how people are ignoring such explanations in this forum. Sometimes I recollect Jesus words that he always spoke in parables so that the audience should not get the meaning of what he was telling about, because it was not given to them by God. How dangerous it appears to me. Blessed are you that you have been given with the understanding of God.
May God bless you and give you more and more revelations.
with love
Adam
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