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Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2007,18:11) A popular message from the pulpit is that God had to “turn away” when Jesus became sin because God cannot look on sin? I always thought that is why Jesus called out to God and said, “Why have you forsaken me?” I don't know…
Hi Not3in1,I heard that silly message from my pastor as well.
They are taught to give that reason.If God could not look on sin or anyone who sins, wouldn't he be turned away from every one of us?
The simple fact is that Jesus was right where God wanted HIm to be and was bringing to fullfillment the plan of His Father. God was pleased with His son.
Tim
Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 28 2007,21:49) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2007,21:43) Hi Is 1.18,
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2Cor 5
19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.col2
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
This does not describe him.
It tells us what was in him.
Number 2320
Transliteration:
theotes {theh-ot'-ace}
Word Origin:
from 2316
TDNT:
3:119,322
Part of Speech:
noun feminine
Usage in the KJV:
Godhead 1Total: 1
Definition:
deity
the state of being God, Godhead For Synonyms see entry 5849
Yes, the definition for “deity” in Col 2:9 is “the state of being God”.That's not something I'm going to disagree with.
Hi Not3,
So what was in the Son of God?
Not himself anyway.
Godliness
God.Well, I believe that God was in Jesus reconciling the world. But because I've been taught from a young age that God could not be sin, and Jesus “became” sin for the world when he hung on the cross………I was taught that God “left” Jesus when he became sin and died.
This would sound true considering that Jesus must have felt abandoned and cried out – Why have you forsaken me? Otherwise, why would he have said that?
I think, for a moment, when Jesus took my sin (because he was sinless), God indeed left him – and pulled his holy Spirit from him – and Jesus felt the weight of the world on him – and then he died.
When I want to discipline my daughter, the worse thing I can do to her is to isolate her from the family or myself. Taking away her favorite toys or privileges don't seem to have the effect on her that isolation in her bedroom does (especially if the door is shut). I think Jesus had to feel the same isolation when he became sin……….just my theories of course.
Hi not3.
Psalm 139:7
Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?Is 11,
2And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;3And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
Psalm 51:11
Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me.Is 42
“Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him and he will bring justice to the nations.Isaiah 59:21
“As for me, this is my covenant with them,” says the LORD. “My Spirit, who is on you, and my words that I have put in your mouth will not depart from your mouth, or from the mouths of your children, or from the mouths of their descendants from this time on and forever,” says the LORD.Do these not apply to Jesus?
Quote (Not3in1 @ June 29 2007,06:31) Well, I believe that God was in Jesus reconciling the world. But because I've been taught from a young age that God could not be sin, and Jesus “became” sin for the world when he hung on the cross………I was taught that God “left” Jesus when he became sin and died. This would sound true considering that Jesus must have felt abandoned and cried out – Why have you forsaken me? Otherwise, why would he have said that?
I think, for a moment, when Jesus took my sin (because he was sinless), God indeed left him – and pulled his holy Spirit from him – and Jesus felt the weight of the world on him – and then he died.
When I want to discipline my daughter, the worse thing I can do to her is to isolate her from the family or myself. Taking away her favorite toys or privileges don't seem to have the effect on her that isolation in her bedroom does (especially if the door is shut). I think Jesus had to feel the same isolation when he became sin……….just my theories of course.
Hi Not3in1,You are probably more correct than the christian teachers.
As long as Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit ther was no way that He could be filled with sin.
God had to withdraw the Spirit for a short while so that Jesus could take on the sin of the world.
That was when Jesus thought that God had forsaken Him.Tim
Hi Tim4,
Is it written that God takes away gifts He has given?Rom11
“29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.”Interestingly enough, these passages do not say God “can't” take his Spirit away?
But, wow, look how far we have strayed from the topic – conception.
I would really LOVE to hear everyone chime in on this topic.
As I have said before – what you believe about the conception is what you believe about the “who” and “what” is Jesus.
Isn't this the foundation for which all other topics build?
Maybe I'm just being selfish because it's one of my favorite topics!
I'm not selfish; I'm not, I'm not!
Off to garden now…..I'll be pondering all I have heard today. Enjoy the day, brothers!
Quote (TimothyVI @ June 29 2007,06:50) Boy, how do you Guys jump between these different threads like this..
I'm worn out.:)Tim
Hey Tim,You're doing fabulous and I have sooooooooooo enjoyed having you around this morning and chatting with you.
Have a good one, bro!
I need to get going….
I thought I would bring this topic up again and see if there are any takers besides the ever-faithful Nick.
t8, I would love to hear from you on this if you have time?
Other's? Did Jesus have a “true” conception? *See thread for ideas on “true” conception*
1 John 4:2 This is how we know the Spirit of Elohim; every man who confesses that Y'shua Messiah came in the flesh is of Elohim.
Quote (Laurel @ July 02 2007,18:05) 1 John 4:2 This is how we know the Spirit of Elohim; every man who confesses that Y'shua Messiah came in the flesh is of Elohim.
Laural,What does, “…come in the flesh…” mean to you?
Well I've been patient enough, but I was wondering why hardly anyone has replied to my “America in Biblical Prophecy topic.
Quote (acertainchap @ July 04 2007,08:19) He was conceived, yes, but “In the beginning the Word was with God.” Don't forget this as well.
Is the Word that was with God in the beginning – Jesus? If so, how do you know?Hi Not3,
John said so.
Jn1
“14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. “
John was conceived before Christ.
But Christ was before him.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 04 2007,10:16) Hi Not3,
John said so.
Jn1
“14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. “
John was conceived before Christ.
But Christ was before him.
The Word was made flesh…….yes…..but this “Word” went through a conception process with Mary (Man) and became flesh.This is quite a process to go through and yet remain as you were before you were conceived?
I assert that the “Word” is not Jesus (yet, that is).
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