Conception

[Not3in1]

Conceive = become pregnant
Pregnant = containing unborn young
Unborn = not yet born
Born = brought into life; being such by birth
Birth = producing young, origin
Origin = beginning or derivation from a source
Source = point of origin

Of course, the incarnation throws a monkey-wrench in this basic explaining of the conception of Jesus.

Maybe God impregnated Mary (i.e., incarnated his “second person”) just to throw us all off? Sounds sarcastic, but I'm being serious.

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
Yes the false incarnation doctine denies Christ was conceived.

[Not3in1]

Some thoughts I had this afternoon on the conception or incarnation of Jesus:

The promise was given to Abram, “….to your offspring…” and “….to your seed…..” What was the promise if God intended to incarnate himself into a man?

God is not from anyone's seed.

Jesus is a legitimate son because he was conceived. While God's Son is genuine, his birth did not conform to the laws of conception. After all, I've never known another virgin to conceive. However, Jesus did conform to accepted standards in that he referred to God as his Father.

The rules of conception require a second complete set of chromosomes to make a human being. God provided what was needed to make Jesus his Son (source = providing what is needed). The only cells in our body that have a single set of 23 chromosomes are sperm and egg cells. When they come together at conception, the 23 chromosomes of each parent are JOINED. In this way, the new individual receives a full set of 46 chromosomes. All other cells reproduce the same cell. *Sorry folks, this is the Nurse in me talking*

The predictable consequence of the FUSION is the production of a NEW INDIVIDUAL which carries the GENETIC CHARACTERISTICS OF BOTH PARENTS.

Conception or Incarnation? Pre-existence? What ever you decide – it changes everything.

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
Genes play no provable part in man except in the flesh.
We are not just flesh.

[Not3in1]

Without genes you would have not heredity.

Without genes you cannot exsist in any form (unless of course you are God).

[Not3in1]

Genes play no provable part in man except in the flesh.
We are not just flesh.
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Hi Nick,
What do you mean?

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
We are body, soul and spirit.
Only the body is destroyed in the first death.
It takes the second death to destroy the soul[mt10]
Paul could not wait to die that he might live with the Lord.

[Not3in1]

I assure you that Paul's “soul” was woven together in the womb with the rest of him! And all that weaving comes about by the miracle of conception (the sharing and dividing of chromosomes). Sorry, Nick, there is no getting around this, unless of course you are God!

According to the spirit, Jesus was determined to be the Son of God by his resurrection. What are your thoughts concerning this? Do you believe that Jesus' spirit had nothing to do with his conception? Do you believe that our spirits have nothing to do with our own conceptions? You realize we are dabbling a bit with the “nature verses nurture” debate here……

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
Paul was an intergrated human too but the Spirit was able to discern between his parts and like Stephen he knew death was a shedding of the tent and the continuation of the life shared in that Spirit with Christ.
Ps 139 may add insights.

[Not3in1]

Let me see if I'm following you correctly: I also believe that when we die we shed our “tent” and our spirit is with the Lord.

However, when we are conceived, we are conceived with all our “parts” and that includes a spirit (who we are). The question is do we receive our “spirit” as a result of conception, or do you believe that we only receive flesh during conception but the spirit is given by God and has nothing to do with the spliting of chromosomes?

This is facinating to me, both from a medical standpoint and a theology view.

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
Conception produces flesh integrated man from the gift of the breath of God into dust given in Adam.

[Not3in1]

How do we receive our spirit, that is; what makes us “alive”? Flesh is not alive unless the spirit is within us. Is that not given during conception? If not during conception, then when?

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
I believe all was given to Adam.
God lit the fire.

[Not3in1]

Adam then produced after his own kind. Our spirits are then given *along with* our flesh during conception. Would you agree with this?

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
Is your personality similar to Mum's and Dad's?

[Not3in1]

Ha……..funny you should ask this question. My husband was telling me this morning how much I remind him of my Dad. My Dad was easy-going and had a variety of other personality traits that I possess. I look like my Mom, but was given a lot of my Dad's personality traits (thank God – ha).

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
Could it be that your spirit was also given through your parents?

[Not3in1]

This is exactly my thrust here on the topic. Conception includes the weaving together of *everything* not limited to flesh only; but to include spirit as well.

And if spirit as well, then lets consider how this changes the idea of a pre-existent Jesus OR an incarnation.

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
Women alone do not produce men.
Why should we not allow God to birth his son partaking only of the flesh of man through Mary if it is written that the Word partook of flesh?

[Not3in1]

Because you want to separate “flesh” as being only skin and bones. We have come to realize that you cannot do that. “Partaking” of “flesh” then has come to mean having also a spirit within your flesh to make you alive. And if that spirit is given during conception, then it is given by BOTH parents.

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