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1 Cor 12:
12 The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body-whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free-and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15 If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body. 21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don't need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don't need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.Regarding the above:
I can say:
These are great words about unity.
And I can say:
That is a great word about unity.I just gave an example of using a plural pronoun and plural verb (these are) to refer to unity. I also just gave an example of using a singular pronoun and a singular verb (that is) to refer to unity.
Both are true statements. Interesting. Maybe that is why quarreling about words so often is fruitless.
2 Timothy 2:14
Remind them of these things, and charge them before God not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers.Proverbs 9:10
Young's Literal Translation
The commencement of wisdom is the fear of Jehovah, And a knowledge of the Holy Ones is understanding.Yes, the Hebrew has 'holy' as a plural!!
Joshua 24:19
Young's Literal Translation
And Joshua saith unto the people, 'Ye are not able to serve Jehovah, for a God most holy He is; a zealous God He is; He doth not bear with your transgression and with your sins.Literally in the Hebrew, “for the holy ones are he.”
Gill's comment on this here:
In the Hebrew text it is, “for the Holy Ones are he”: which may serve to illustrate and confirm the doctrine of the trinity of, persons in the unity of the divine Essence, or of the three divine holy Persons, holy Father, holy Son, holy Spirit, as the one God, see Isaiah 6:3,http://bible.cc/joshua/24-19.htm
Another example of plurality in unity!
Compond unity, Tri-unity three seperate persons with the same nature. The Father is the Source of the *entire nature*, but he expresses his glory and power.
The Word of the Father is THE Son, the Breath of the Father is the Paraclete. Words can never be spoken without breath, try speaking or singing without using your breath.Psalm 33:6
By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth.This makes it clear that the breath and the word of the Father are from Father the eternal Source of the complete divinity.
There are many examples that show the Holy Spirit is the breath of God including the very word spirit that referrs to breath/wind.. Jesus discribes the Holy Spirit as wind and he breaths on the discples and says recieve the Holy Spirit to forgive sins [because people can't forgive sins it has to be done by the Holy Spirit], in the upper room when they again recieve power from the Holy Spirit again we see the spirit [wind] being expressed.
Then we have the rib of man taken from adam to form eve, its amazing that eve is adams rib. Then in adam and eves love and relationship [intercourse] we have a third person YET in the SAME flesh that came from Adam.
Then we have man and woemn who are each made up from a spirit and a body and when they unite the man becomes aliving soul. God dwells in the spirit, self dwells in the soul, while senses dwell in the body. the Soul has to decide whether to follow the flesh or the spirit man, a soul that is fill of pride will will follow the flesh and only the spirit man when it suits.
Let me quote Watchman Nee from spirit man. He made his books free so they can be read on line in pdf form or the alike.
The Word of God does not divide man into the two parts of soul and body. It treats man, rather, as tripartite—spirit, soul and body. 1 Thessalonians 5.23 reads: “May the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be kept sound and blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” This verse precisely shows that the whole man is divided into three parts. The Apostle Paul refers here to the complete sanctification of believers, “sanctify you wholly.” According to the Apostle, how is a person wholly sanctified? By his spirit and soul and body being kept. From this we can easily understand that the whole person comprises these three parts. This verse also makes a distinction between spirit and soul; otherwise, Paul would have said simply “your soul.” Since God has distinguished the human spirit from the human soul, we conclude that man is composed of not two, but three, parts: spirit, soul and body.
Other portions of the Scriptures make this same differentiation between spirit and soul. “For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and spirit, of joints and marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart” (Heb. 4.12). The writer in this verse divides man’s non-corporal elements into two parts, “soul and spirit.” The corporal part is mentioned here as including the joints and marrow—organs of motion and sensation.The Creation of Man
“And Jehovah God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul” (Gen. 2.7 ASV). When God first created man He formed him of dust from the ground, and then breathed “the breath of life” into his nostrils. As soon as the breath of life, which became man’s spirit, came into contact with man’s body, the soul was produced. Hence the soul is the combination of man’s body and spirit. The Scriptures therefore call man “a living soul.” The breath of life became man’s spirit; that is, the principle of life within him. The Lord Jesus tells us “it is the spirit that gives life” (John 6.63). This breath of life comes from the Lord of Creation. However, we must not confuse man’s spirit with God’s Holy Spirit. The latter differs from our human spirit. Romans 8.16 demonstrates their difference by declaring that “it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God.” The original of the word “life” in “breath of life” is chay and is in the plural. This may refer to the fact that the inbreathing of God produced a twofold life, soulical and spiritual. When the inbreathing of God entered man’s body it became the spirit of man; but when the spirit reacted with the body the soul was produced. This explains the source of our spiritual and soulical lives. We must recognize, though, that this spirit is not God’s Own life, for “the breath of the Almighty gives me life” (Job 33.4). It is not the entrance of the untreated life of God into man, neither is it that life of God which we receive at regeneration. What we receive at new birth is God’s Own life as typified by the tree of life. But our human spirit, though permanently existing, is void of “eternal life.”
“Formed man of dust from the ground” refers to man’s body; “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life” refers to man’s spirit as it came from God; and “man became a living soul” refers to man’s soul when the body was quickened by the spirit and brought into being a living and self-conscious man. A complete man is a trinity—the composite of spirit, soul and body. According to Genesis 2.7, 28 The Spiritual Man
man was made up of only two independent elements, the corporeal and the spiritual; but when God placed the spirit within the casing of the earth, the soul was produced. The spirit of man touching the dead body produced the soul. The body apart from the spirit was dead, but with the spirit man was made alive. The organ thus animated was called the soul.To repeat, the soul is the site of personality. The will, intellect and emotions of man are there. As the spirit is used to communicate with the spiritual world and the body with the natural world, so the soul stands between and exercises its power to discern and decide whether the spiritual or the natural world should reign. Sometimes too the soul itself takes control over man through its intellect, thus creating an ideational world which reigns. In order for the spirit to govern, the soul must give its consent; otherwise the spirit is helpless to regulate the soul and the body. But this decision is up to the soul, for therein resides the personality of the man.
God’s thought is for the spirit to have the pre-eminence, ruling our soul. But once man turns fleshly his spirit sinks into servitude to the soul. Further degradation follows when man becomes “bodily” (of the body), for the basest body rises to be sovereign. Man has then descended from “spirit-control” to “soul-control,” and from “soul-control” to “body-control.” Deeper and deeper he sinks. How pitiful it must be when the flesh gains dominion.
Sin has slain the spirit: spiritual death hence becomes the portion of all, for all are dead in sins and trespasses. Sin has rendered the soul independent: the soulish life is therefore but a selfish and self-willed one. Sin has finally empowered the body: sinful nature accordingly reigns through the body.What really is death? According to its scientific definition, death is “the cessation of communication with environment.” Death of the spirit is the cessation of its communication with God. Death of the body is the cutting off of communication between spirit and body. So when we say the spirit is dead it does not imply there is no more spirit; we simply mean the spirit has lost its sensitivity towards God and thus is dead to Him.
God dwells in the spirit, self dwells in the soul, while senses dwell in the body.
1 Corinthians 2.14 speaks of such unregenerated persons in this fashion: “The natural (soulish) man does not receive the gifts of the spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them becaus
e they are spiritually discerned.” Such men as are under the control of their souls with their spirits suppressed are in direct contrast to spiritual people. They may be exceedingly intelligent, able to present masterful ideas or theories, yet they do not consent to the things of the Spirit of God. They are unfit to receive revelation from the Holy Spirit. Such revelation is vastly different from human ideas. Man may think human intellect and reasoning are almighty, that the brain is able to comprehend all truths of the world; but the verdict of God’s Word is, “vanity of vanities.”
While man is in his soulish state he frequently senses the insecurity of this age and so he too seeks the eternal life of the coming age. But even if he does, he is still powerless to uncover the Word of life by his much thinking and theorizing. How untrustworthy are human reasonings! We often observe how very clever persons clash in their different opinions. Theories easily lead man into error. They are castles in the air, tumbling him into eternal darkness.
How true it is that without the guidance of the Holy Spirit intellect not only is undependable but also extremely dangerous, because it often confuses the issue of right and wrong. A slight carelessness may cause not merely temporary loss but even everlasting harm. The darkened mind of man frequently leads him to eternal death. If only unregenerated souls could see this, how good it would be!
While man is fleshly he may be controlled by more than just the soul; he may be under the direction of the body as well; for soul and body are closely entwined. Because the body of sin is abounding in desires and passions, man may commit the most hideous of sins. As the body is formed of the dust, so its natural tendency is towards the earth. The introduction of the serpent’s poison into man’s body turns all its legitimate desires into lusts. Having once yielded to the body in disobeying God, the soul finds itself bound to yield every time. The base desires of the body may therefore often be expressed through the soul. The power of the body becomes so overwhelming that the soul cannot but become the obedient slave.
God’s thought is for the spirit to have the pre-eminence, ruling our soul. But once man turns fleshly his spirit sinks into servitude to the soul. Further degradation follows when man becomes “bodily” (of the body), for the basest body rises to be sovereign. Man has then descended from “spirit-control” to “soul-control,” and from “soul-control” to “body-control.” Deeper and deeper he sinks. How pitiful it must be when the flesh gains dominion.
Sin has slain the spirit: spiritual death hence becomes the portion of all, for all are dead in sins and trespasses. Sin has rendered the soul independent: the soulish life is therefore but a selfish and self-willed one. Sin has finally empowered the body: sinful nature accordingly reigns through the body.The soul must decide whether it is to obey the spirit and hence be united with God and His will or is to yield to the body and all the temptations of the material world. On the occasion of man’s fall the soul resisted the spirit’s authority and became enslaved to the body and its passions. Thus man became a fleshly, not a spiritual, man. Man’s spirit was denied its noble position and was reduced to that of a prisoner. Since the soul is now under the power of the flesh, the Bible deems man to be fleshly or carnal. Whatever is soulical has become fleshly.
end quote
there is heaps more its a series of volumes and looks at all the scriptures.
I think hell is where the body is destoryed which also destroys the soul which leaves a spirit that is cast into the lake of fire with satan.I think God doesn't allow the man to remain as Body Soul and Spirit unless he loves him.
Blessings
DanielQuote (4Thomas @ May 14 2013,22:15) Compond unity, Tri-unity three seperate persons with the same nature. The Father is the Source of the *entire nature*, but he expresses his glory and power.
The Word of the Father is THE Son, the Breath of the Father is the Paraclete. Words can never be spoken without breath, try speaking or singing without using your breath.Psalm 33:6
By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth.This makes it clear that the breath and the word of the Father are from Father the eternal Source of the complete divinity.
There are many examples that show the Holy Spirit is the breath of God including the very word spirit that referrs to breath/wind.. Jesus discribes the Holy Spirit as wind and he breaths on the discples and says recieve the Holy Spirit to forgive sins [because people can't forgive sins it has to be done by the Holy Spirit], in the upper room when they again recieve power from the Holy Spirit again we see the spirit [wind] being expressed.
Then we have the rib of man taken from adam to form eve, its amazing that eve is adams rib. Then in adam and eves love and relationship [intercourse] we have a third person YET in the SAME flesh that came from Adam.
Then we have man and woemn who are each made up from a spirit and a body and when they unite the man becomes aliving soul. God dwells in the spirit, self dwells in the soul, while senses dwell in the body. the Soul has to decide whether to follow the flesh or the spirit man, a soul that is fill of pride will will follow the flesh and only the spirit man when it suits.
Let me quote Watchman Nee from spirit man. He made his books free so they can be read on line in pdf form or the alike.
The Word of God does not divide man into the two parts of soul and body. It treats man, rather, as tripartite—spirit, soul and body. 1 Thessalonians 5.23 reads: “May the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be kept sound and blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” This verse precisely shows that the whole man is divided into three parts. The Apostle Paul refers here to the complete sanctification of believers, “sanctify you wholly.” According to the Apostle, how is a person wholly sanctified? By his spirit and soul and body being kept. From this we can easily understand that the whole person comprises these three parts. This verse also makes a distinction between spirit and soul; otherwise, Paul would have said simply “your soul.” Since God has distinguished the human spirit from the human soul, we conclude that man is composed of not two, but three, parts: spirit, soul and body.
Other portions of the Scriptures make this same differentiation between spirit and soul. “For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and spirit, of joints and marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart” (Heb. 4.12). The writer in this verse divides man’s non-corporal elements into two parts, “soul and spirit.” The corporal part is mentioned here as including the joints and marrow—organs of motion and sensation.The Creation of Man
“And Jehovah God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul” (Gen. 2.7 ASV). When God first created man He formed him of dust from the ground, and then breathed “the breath of life” into his nostrils. As soon as the breath of life, which became man’s spirit, came into contact with man’s body, the soul was produced. Hence the soul is the combination of man’s body and spirit. The Scriptures therefore call man “a living soul.” The breath of life became man’s spirit; that is, the principle of life within him. The Lord Jesus tells us “it is the spirit that gives life” (John 6.63). This breath of life comes from the Lord of Creation. However, we must not confuse man’s spirit with God’s Holy Spirit. The latter differs from our human spirit. Romans 8.16 demonstrates their difference by declaring that “it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God.” The original of the word “life” in “breath of life” is chay and is in the plural. This may refer to the fact that the inbreathing of God produced a twofold life, soulical and spiritual. When the inbreathing of God entered man’s body it became the spirit of man; but when the spirit reacted with the body the soul was produced. This explains the source of our spiritual and soulical lives. We must recognize, though, that this spirit is not God’s Own life, for “the breath of the Almighty gives me life” (Job 33.4). It is not the entrance of the untreated life of God into man, neither is it that life of God which we receive at regeneration. What we receive at new birth is God’s Own life as typified by the tree of life. But our human spirit, though permanently existing, is void of “eternal life.”
“Formed man of dust from the ground” refers to man’s body; “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life” refers to man’s spirit as it came from God; and “man became a living soul” refers to man’s soul when the body was quickened by the spirit and brought into being a living and self-conscious man. A complete man is a trinity—the composite of spirit, soul and body. According to Genesis 2.7, 28 The Spiritual Man
man was made up of only two independent elements, the corporeal and the spiritual; but when God placed the spirit within the casing of the earth, the soul was produced. The spirit of man touching the dead body produced the soul. The body apart from the spirit was dead, but with the spirit man was made alive. The organ thus animated was called the soul.To repeat, the soul is the site of personality. The will, intellect and emotions of man are there. As the spirit is used to communicate with the spiritual world and the body with the natural world, so the soul stands between and exercises its power to discern and decide whether the spiritual or the natural world should reign. Sometimes too the soul itself takes control over man through its intellect, thus creating an ideational world which reigns. In order for the spirit to govern, the soul must give its consent; otherwise the spirit is helpless to regulate the soul and the body. But this decision is up to the soul, for therein resides the personality of the man.
God’s thought is for the spirit to have the pre-eminence, ruling our soul. But once man turns fleshly his spirit sinks into servitude to the soul. Further degradation follows when man becomes “bodily” (of the body), for the basest body rises to be sovereign. Man has then descended from “spirit-control” to “soul-control,” and from “soul-control” to “body-control.” Deeper and deeper he sinks. How pitiful it must be when the flesh gains dominion.
Sin has slain the spirit: spiritual death hence becomes the portion of all, for all are dead in sins and trespasses. Sin has rendered the soul independent: the soulish life is therefore but a selfish and self-willed one. Sin has finally empowered the body: sinful nature accordingly reigns through the body.What really is death? According to its scientific definition, death is “the cessation of communication with environment.” Death of the spirit is the cessation of its communication with God. Death of the body is the cutting off of communication between spirit and body. So when we say the spirit is dead it does not imply there is no more spirit; we simply mean the spirit has lost its sensitivity towards God and thus is dead to Him.
God dwells in the spirit, self dwells in the soul, while senses dwell in the body.
1 Co
rinthians 2.14 speaks of such unregenerated persons in this fashion: “The natural (soulish) man does not receive the gifts of the spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.” Such men as are under the control of their souls with their spirits suppressed are in direct contrast to spiritual people. They may be exceedingly intelligent, able to present masterful ideas or theories, yet they do not consent to the things of the Spirit of God. They are unfit to receive revelation from the Holy Spirit. Such revelation is vastly different from human ideas. Man may think human intellect and reasoning are almighty, that the brain is able to comprehend all truths of the world; but the verdict of God’s Word is, “vanity of vanities.”
While man is in his soulish state he frequently senses the insecurity of this age and so he too seeks the eternal life of the coming age. But even if he does, he is still powerless to uncover the Word of life by his much thinking and theorizing. How untrustworthy are human reasonings! We often observe how very clever persons clash in their different opinions. Theories easily lead man into error. They are castles in the air, tumbling him into eternal darkness.
How true it is that without the guidance of the Holy Spirit intellect not only is undependable but also extremely dangerous, because it often confuses the issue of right and wrong. A slight carelessness may cause not merely temporary loss but even everlasting harm. The darkened mind of man frequently leads him to eternal death. If only unregenerated souls could see this, how good it would be!
While man is fleshly he may be controlled by more than just the soul; he may be under the direction of the body as well; for soul and body are closely entwined. Because the body of sin is abounding in desires and passions, man may commit the most hideous of sins. As the body is formed of the dust, so its natural tendency is towards the earth. The introduction of the serpent’s poison into man’s body turns all its legitimate desires into lusts. Having once yielded to the body in disobeying God, the soul finds itself bound to yield every time. The base desires of the body may therefore often be expressed through the soul. The power of the body becomes so overwhelming that the soul cannot but become the obedient slave.
God’s thought is for the spirit to have the pre-eminence, ruling our soul. But once man turns fleshly his spirit sinks into servitude to the soul. Further degradation follows when man becomes “bodily” (of the body), for the basest body rises to be sovereign. Man has then descended from “spirit-control” to “soul-control,” and from “soul-control” to “body-control.” Deeper and deeper he sinks. How pitiful it must be when the flesh gains dominion.
Sin has slain the spirit: spiritual death hence becomes the portion of all, for all are dead in sins and trespasses. Sin has rendered the soul independent: the soulish life is therefore but a selfish and self-willed one. Sin has finally empowered the body: sinful nature accordingly reigns through the body.The soul must decide whether it is to obey the spirit and hence be united with God and His will or is to yield to the body and all the temptations of the material world. On the occasion of man’s fall the soul resisted the spirit’s authority and became enslaved to the body and its passions. Thus man became a fleshly, not a spiritual, man. Man’s spirit was denied its noble position and was reduced to that of a prisoner. Since the soul is now under the power of the flesh, the Bible deems man to be fleshly or carnal. Whatever is soulical has become fleshly.
end quote
there is heaps more its a series of volumes and looks at all the scriptures.
I think hell is where the body is destoryed which also destroys the soul which leaves a spirit that is cast into the lake of fire with satan.I think God doesn't allow the man to remain as Body Soul and Spirit unless he loves him.
Blessings
Daniel
Hi Daniel,(Quote)
When God first created man He formed him of dust from the ground, and then breathed “the breath of life” into his nostrils. As soon as the breath of life, which became man’s spirit, came into contact with man’s body, the soul was produced.Gen.7:22 all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, of all that was on the dry land, died.
breath of the spirit of life,
I thought the soul was the breath.
Peace brother…..
Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 30 2011,09:51) Here is where anyone can post a verse or passage from the Bible, that demonstrates more than one person or thing acting and/or speaking as one. This is not a thread for discussion but to collect verses that show a plural subject, or compound subject, or more than one person as a group performing an action that is written in the singular form in the original language, or the pronoun representing more than one but is written in the singular form. Also include verses that show a singular noun/object that is shared by more than one, i.e. grace, peace, etc.
This is to prove that a singular pronoun or singular verb can represent more than one person or thing and indicate a compound unity.
Just add the passages you find as you come across them. It will be nice to have them in one thread for easy reference.
These passages can be about God, or the church or anything in the Bible but they must be from the Bible.
Thanks,
KathiEdited to make a note, requested by t8…if you quote an already submitted verse or passage and then add your two cents to the original comment made by the poster, the post will be deleted or if you comment on a submitted passage aside from the comments made by the original poster of the passage, your post will be deleted. Reason being, that turns this into a discussion thread and not just a scriptural database. I will allow posters to quote an already submitted verse with a link only, no commentary, to another thread where it is discussed if anyone so desires. Positive encouragement by saying…”Good post” or similar is allowed but no negative discouragement allowed. Keep it to a simple word of encouragment without discussing the verse further. Thanks!
Hey guys see the quoted OP, this is not a discussion thread but a scriptural database. Take the discussion elsewhere, thanks!1 Thess 3:11
Quote Now may God our Father himself and our Lord Jesus direct our way to you. Here we have two who are directing our way, but the verb 'direct' is singular and not plural. We don't notice that when it is in English.
Quote (abe @ May 19 2013,14:51) When God first created man He formed him of dust from the ground, and then breathed “the breath of life” into his nostrils. As soon as the breath of life, which became man’s spirit, came into contact with man’s body, the soul was produced. Gen.7:22 all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, of all that was on the dry land, died.
breath of the spirit of life,
I thought the soul was the breath.
Peace brother…..
Abe…..You have that right Brother. A living Soul is a Body with Living Spirit “IN” it. Separate the two and there exists No Living Soul. Jesus told us not to fear them who can destroy the body only, but him who cant destroy “BOTH” the Body and the Soul, in the GRAVE , how, by leaving them separate after a man dies, if God does not recreate a body and add back the Spirit of Life back into it (a Body) it will remain dead forever. A Living Soul is a Body with the Breath of Life, “SPIRIT” in it, the two components equal a LIVING SOUL, a live and complete being. IMOpeace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Rev 5:13
and every creature that is in the heaven, and in the earth, and under the earth, and the things that are upon the sea, and the all things in them, heard I saying, 'To Him who is sitting upon the throne, and to the Lamb, is the blessing, and the honour, and the glory, and the might — to the ages of the ages!'Ok, there is another example of unity…here we have a passage that is loaded and points out that the Father and the Son have the same blessing, the same honor, the same glory, and the same power/dominion. Blessing, honor, glory, and power are written in the singular and include the article 'the.' Please note that this verse does not say this: “To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be a blessing and an honor and a glory and a might forever and ever.
This flies in the face of those who believe Jehovah is just the Father. Jehovah says that He will not share His glory with anyone else.
Isaiah 48:11
For my sake alone I will act, for how can I allow my name to be defiled?I will not share my glory with anyone else!Think about that!
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