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Quote (Stu @ Mar. 23 2013,19:24) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2013,13:21) made amends to those I hurt
Does the bible demand christians do this?I've never found it in there. I'd be interested to know if there is such a verse.
Stuart
For me the making of amends came from a 12 step program.I think one reason that the Pagan Christians prefer to sacrifice Jesus on the cross is so they don't have to face ego deflation and character growth. They leap right over the life Jesus lived and simply acknowledge he died for them as a substitute for transformative action.
Christians who still feel they are under the Leviticus laws would fallow Leviticus 6:2-7
6 1 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “If anyone sins and commits a breach of faith against the Lord by deceiving his neighbor in a matter of deposit or security, or through robbery, or if he has oppressed his neighbor 3 or has found something lost and lied about it, swearing falsely—in any of all the things that people do and sin thereby— 4 if he has sinned and has realized his guilt and will restore what he took by robbery or what he got by oppression or the deposit that was committed to him or the lost thing that he found 5 or anything about which he has sworn falsely, he shall restore it in full and shall add a fifth to it, and give it to him to whom it belongs on the day he realizes his guilt. 6 And he shall bring to the priest as his compensation to the Lord ia ram without blemish out of the flock, or its equivalent for a guilt offering. 7 And the priest shall make atonement for him before the Lord, and he shall be forgiven for any of the things that one may do and thereby become guilty.”
In the NT the story of Zacchaeus in Luke 19 is another example.
Colter
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 23 2013,19:27) Colter First you say We do not know ,then you go on and explain what you do not know,
This puzzles me ,either you know or do not know ,but if you do not know and explain what you do not know is very weird
On the cross Jesus preyed “forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.” He didn't believe what I don't believe either, what the Pagans already believed in, human sacrifice.The Jews rejected the original Gospel
The Pagans accepted Paul's new version as it was familiar to them.
Welcome to The Roman Catholic Church.
Colter
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 23 2013,22:23) Hi Colter. Why are you now (classed as) a skeptic?
Because the moderators of this site need to control the message.Colter
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2013,17:40) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 23 2013,19:27) Colter First you say We do not know ,then you go on and explain what you do not know,
This puzzles me ,either you know or do not know ,but if you do not know and explain what you do not know is very weird
On the cross Jesus preyed “forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.” He didn't believe what I don't believe either, what the Pagans already believed in, human sacrifice.The Jews rejected the original Gospel
The Pagans accepted Paul's new version as it was familiar to them.
Welcome to The Roman Catholic Church.
Colter
colterI was not talking about the bible but your UB
(123.3) 11:6.1 “We do not know the actual mechanism of space respiration;
(123.6) 11:6.4 The cycles of space respiration extend in each phase for a little more than one billion Urantia years. During one phase the universes expand; during the next they contract. Pervaded space is now approaching the mid-point of the expanding phase, while unpervaded space nears the mid-point of the contracting phase, and we are informed that the outermost limits of both space extensions are, theoretically, now approximately equidistant from Paradise. The unpervaded-space reservoirs now extend vertically above upper Paradise and below nether Paradise just as far as the pervaded space of the universe extends horizontally outward from peripheral Paradise to and even beyond the fourth outer space level.
(124.1) 11:6.5 For a billion years of Urantia time the space reservoirs contract while the master universe and the force activities of all horizontal space expand. It thus requires a little over two billion Urantia years to complete the entire expansion-contraction cycle.” UB 1934
this is why i said;;First you say We do not know ,then you go on and explain what you do not know,
see how stupid this is
welcome to the catholic church ,but call it URANTIA BOOK,ORG.
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 24 2013,00:44) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 23 2013,22:23) Hi Colter. Why are you now (classed as) a skeptic?
Because the moderators of this site need to control the message.Colter
So, how is their message different than your message?
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2013,06:55) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2013,17:40) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 23 2013,19:27) Colter First you say We do not know ,then you go on and explain what you do not know,
This puzzles me ,either you know or do not know ,but if you do not know and explain what you do not know is very weird
On the cross Jesus preyed “forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.” He didn't believe what I don't believe either, what the Pagans already believed in, human sacrifice.The Jews rejected the original Gospel
The Pagans accepted Paul's new version as it was familiar to them.
Welcome to The Roman Catholic Church.
Colter
colterI was not talking about the bible but your UB
(123.3) 11:6.1 “We do not know the actual mechanism of space respiration;
(123.6) 11:6.4 The cycles of space respiration extend in each phase for a little more than one billion Urantia years. During one phase the universes expand; during the next they contract. Pervaded space is now approaching the mid-point of the expanding phase, while unpervaded space nears the mid-point of the contracting phase, and we are informed that the outermost limits of both space extensions are, theoretically, now approximately equidistant from Paradise. The unpervaded-space reservoirs now extend vertically above upper Paradise and below nether Paradise just as far as the pervaded space of the universe extends horizontally outward from peripheral Paradise to and even beyond the fourth outer space level.
(124.1) 11:6.5 For a billion years of Urantia time the space reservoirs contract while the master universe and the force activities of all horizontal space expand. It thus requires a little over two billion Urantia years to complete the entire expansion-contraction cycle.” UB 1934
this is why i said;;First you say We do not know ,then you go on and explain what you do not know,
see how stupid this is
welcome to the catholic church ,but call it URANTIA BOOK,ORG.
The celestial beings that were involved with the Urantia revelation don't know everything, like when Jesus will visit earth again, some things are only known on paradise.It's not stupid, it's just that you don't understand it.
Colter
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 24 2013,07:50) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 24 2013,00:44) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 23 2013,22:23) Hi Colter. Why are you now (classed as) a skeptic?
Because the moderators of this site need to control the message.Colter
So, how is their message different than your message?
Not sure, all's I know is one day i was put in the skeptics area.Colter
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 24 2013,08:28) Colter, So what is the key differences in the “Urantia”, and the majority view of Christians?
Zbesse,There are many, the key ones would be the difference between the original gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven and the post resurrection Paganized Christian gospel about Jesus being a human sacrifice.
There was a religion OF Jesus which he taught and practiced, Jesus referred to it as “the good news”. Christianity became a religion ABOUT Jesus, the good news changed and became blood sacrifice.
Also, the gospel wasn't really built on Judaism, but people put the new wine back into the old wine skins and contaminated the gospel with the evolved religion of Judaism.
Other things would be that Adam and Eve were incarnate on a fallen, populated, evolved world. Death is normal for man, there never was a golden age or an original sin. Stuff like that.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 24 2013,02:59) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2013,06:55) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2013,17:40) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 23 2013,19:27) Colter First you say We do not know ,then you go on and explain what you do not know,
This puzzles me ,either you know or do not know ,but if you do not know and explain what you do not know is very weird
On the cross Jesus preyed “forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.” He didn't believe what I don't believe either, what the Pagans already believed in, human sacrifice.The Jews rejected the original Gospel
The Pagans accepted Paul's new version as it was familiar to them.
Welcome to The Roman Catholic Church.
Colter
colterI was not talking about the bible but your UB
(123.3) 11:6.1 “We do not know the actual mechanism of space respiration;
(123.6) 11:6.4 The cycles of space respiration extend in each phase for a little more than one billion Urantia years. During one phase the universes expand; during the next they contract. Pervaded space is now approaching the mid-point of the expanding phase, while unpervaded space nears the mid-point of the contracting phase, and we are informed that the outermost limits of both space extensions are, theoretically, now approximately equidistant from Paradise. The unpervaded-space reservoirs now extend vertically above upper Paradise and below nether Paradise just as far as the pervaded space of the universe extends horizontally outward from peripheral Paradise to and even beyond the fourth outer space level.
(124.1) 11:6.5 For a billion years of Urantia time the space reservoirs contract while the master universe and the force activities of all horizontal space expand. It thus requires a little over two billion Urantia years to complete the entire expansion-contraction cycle.” UB 1934
this is why i said;;First you say We do not know ,then you go on and explain what you do not know,
see how stupid this is
welcome to the catholic church ,but call it URANTIA BOOK,ORG.
The celestial beings that were involved with the Urantia revelation don't know everything, like when Jesus will visit earth again, some things are only known on paradise.It's not stupid, it's just that you don't understand it.
Colter
yeah ,that his what a priest told wen I told him how can Mary be the mother of God if he created her Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2013,11:01) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 24 2013,02:59) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2013,06:55) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2013,17:40) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 23 2013,19:27) Colter First you say We do not know ,then you go on and explain what you do not know,
This puzzles me ,either you know or do not know ,but if you do not know and explain what you do not know is very weird
On the cross Jesus preyed “forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.” He didn't believe what I don't believe either, what the Pagans already believed in, human sacrifice.The Jews rejected the original Gospel
The Pagans accepted Paul's new version as it was familiar to them.
Welcome to The Roman Catholic Church.
Colter
colterI was not talking about the bible but your UB
(123.3) 11:6.1 “We do not know the actual mechanism of space respiration;
(123.6) 11:6.4 The cycles of space respiration extend in each phase for a little more than one billion Urantia years. During one phase the universes expand; during the next they contract. Pervaded space is now approaching the mid-point of the expanding phase, while unpervaded space nears the mid-point of the contracting phase, and we are informed that the outermost limits of both space extensions are, theoretically, now approximately equidistant from Paradise. The unpervaded-space reservoirs now extend vertically above upper Paradise and below nether Paradise just as far as the pervaded space of the universe extends horizontally outward from peripheral Paradise to and even beyond the fourth outer space level.
(124.1) 11:6.5 For a billion years of Urantia time the space reservoirs contract while the master universe and the force activities of all horizontal space expand. It thus requires a little over two billion Urantia years to complete the entire expansion-contraction cycle.” UB 1934
this is why i said;;First you say We do not know ,then you go on and explain what you do not know,
see how stupid this is
welcome to the catholic church ,but call it URANTIA BOOK,ORG.
The celestial beings that were involved with the Urantia revelation don't know everything, like when Jesus will visit earth again, some things are only known on paradise.It's not stupid, it's just that you don't understand it.
Colter
yeah ,that his what a priest told wen I told him how can Mary be the mother of God if he created her
That's easy, Mary and Joseph were chosen as serogate parents for the incarnate creator Son. God does everything the natural way.colter
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 24 2013,12:07) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2013,11:01) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 24 2013,02:59)
The celestial beings that were involved with the Urantia revelation don't know everything, like when Jesus will visit earth again, some things are only known on paradise.It's not stupid, it's just that you don't understand it.
Colter
yeah ,that his what a priest told wen I told him how can Mary be the mother of God if he created her
That's easy, Mary and Joseph were chosen as serogate parents for the incarnate creator Son. God does everything the natural way.colter
Hi Colter,Are you suggesting that Mary was not Jesus biological mother? If so,
how exactly is that more natural than being his biological mother?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Colter @ Mar. 24 2013,11:12) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 24 2013,08:28) Colter, So what is the key differences in the “Urantia”, and the majority view of Christians?
Zbesse,There are many, the key ones would be the difference between the original gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven and the post resurrection Paganized Christian gospel about Jesus being a human sacrifice.
There was a religion OF Jesus which he taught and practiced, Jesus referred to it as “the good news”. Christianity became a religion ABOUT Jesus, the good news changed and became blood sacrifice.
Also, the gospel wasn't really built on Judaism, but people put the new wine back into the old wine skins and contaminated the gospel with the evolved religion of Judaism.
Other things would be that Adam and Eve were incarnate on a fallen, populated, evolved world. Death is normal for man, there never was a golden age or an original sin. Stuff like that.
Colter
Hmm that is different.
Where did this book come from?
I mean, was somebody supposedly inspired to write it, or was it found in some Jungle somewhere, or what?Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 24 2013,12:42) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 24 2013,12:07) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2013,11:01) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 24 2013,02:59)
The celestial beings that were involved with the Urantia revelation don't know everything, like when Jesus will visit earth again, some things are only known on paradise.It's not stupid, it's just that you don't understand it.
Colter
yeah ,that his what a priest told wen I told him how can Mary be the mother of God if he created her
That's easy, Mary and Joseph were chosen as serogate parents for the incarnate creator Son. God does everything the natural way.colter
Hi Colter,Are you suggesting that Mary was not Jesus biological mother? If so,
how exactly is that more natural than being his biological mother?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
ED jYes, Mary was the “biological” mother of the human Jesus, but not the mother of the incarnate Son of God. Jesus was a miraculous, duel nature being. Other families were considered for the incarnation. Joseph and Mary were married, the human Jesus was conceived in the “natural way.” The technique of the Son's personality entering into the biological person of Jesus is a miracle known only on Paradise.
Jesus would slowly become conscious of his origin, even experiencing season of doubt and confusion as he grew into manhood.
It wasn't until the age of 13 that Jesus experiences his first conscious visitation from a celestial messenger concerning his identity and destiny upon his first visit to the Temple.
…..”On the day before the Passover Sabbath, flood tides of spiritual illumination swept through the mortal mind of Jesus and filled his human heart to overflowing with affectionate pity for the spiritually blind and morally ignorant multitudes assembled for the celebration of the ancient Passover commemoration. This was one of the most extraordinary days that the Son of God spent in the flesh; and during the night, for the first time in his earth career, there appeared to him an assigned messenger from Salvington, commissioned by Immanuel, who said: “The hour has come. It is time that you began to be about your Father’s business.”
(1376.2) 124:6.16 And so, even ere the heavy responsibilities of the Nazareth family descended upon his youthful shoulders, there now arrived the celestial messenger to remind this lad, not quite thirteen years of age, that the hour had come to begin the resumption of the responsibilities of a universe. This was the first act of a long succession of events which finally culminated in the completion of the Son’s bestowal on Urantia and the replacing of “the government of a universe on his human-divine shoulders.”
(1376.3) 124:6.17 As time passed, the mystery of the incarnation became, to all of us, more and more unfathomable. We could hardly comprehend that this lad of Nazareth was the creator of all Nebadon. Neither do we nowadays understand how the spirit of this same Creator Son and the spirit of his Paradise Father are associated with the souls of mankind. With the passing of time, we could see that his human mind was increasingly discerning that, while he lived his life in the flesh, in spirit on his shoulders rested the responsibility of a universe.
(1376.4) 124:6.18 Thus ends the career of the Nazareth lad, and begins the narrative of that adolescent youth — the increasingly self-conscious divine human — who now begins the contemplation of his world career as he strives to integrate his expanding life purpose with the desires of his parents and his obligations to his family and the society of his day and age.” UB
Colter
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 24 2013,19:20) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 24 2013,11:12) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 24 2013,08:28) Colter, So what is the key differences in the “Urantia”, and the majority view of Christians?
Zbesse,There are many, the key ones would be the difference between the original gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven and the post resurrection Paganized Christian gospel about Jesus being a human sacrifice.
There was a religion OF Jesus which he taught and practiced, Jesus referred to it as “the good news”. Christianity became a religion ABOUT Jesus, the good news changed and became blood sacrifice.
Also, the gospel wasn't really built on Judaism, but people put the new wine back into the old wine skins and contaminated the gospel with the evolved religion of Judaism.
Other things would be that Adam and Eve were incarnate on a fallen, populated, evolved world. Death is normal for man, there never was a golden age or an original sin. Stuff like that.
Colter
Hmm that is different.
Where did this book come from?
I mean, was somebody supposedly inspired to write it, or was it found in some Jungle somewhere, or what?
The story of the origin of the UB, celestial beings communicating through a “sleeping subject” over a period of some 20+ years in Chicago Illinois (1911-34?) printed in 55, doesn't lend any more authority to the UB then Jesus coming from Nazareth. It's the compelling content that inspires people.Cut from the Urantia Foundation web site:
“The Urantia Book, first published by Urantia Foundation in 1955, claims to have been presented by celestial beings as a revelation to our planet, Urantia.
The writings in The Urantia Book instruct us on the genesis, history, and destiny of humanity and on our relationship with God the Father. They present a unique and compelling portrayal of the life and teachings of Jesus. They open new vistas of time and eternity to the human spirit, and offer new details of our ascending adventure in a friendly and carefully administered universe.
The Urantia Book offers a clear and concise integration of science, philosophy, and religion. Those who read and study it believe that The Urantia Book has the capacity to make a significant contribution to the religious and philosophical thinking of people worldwide.
The Urantia Book is not a “religion” per se. It builds upon the religious heritages of the past and present, encouraging a personal, living religious faith.
Readers around the world have told us that reading The Urantia Book has profoundly affected them and often changed their lives. It has inspired them to reach new levels of spiritual growth and enhanced their sense of the value of human life.
We encourage you to read it as well and discover for yourself its ennobling message.”
Colter
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 24 2013,22:25) Please don't ask him. It's not worth your lifetime. Stuart
Good one Stu, that's funny and true. Colter
The selection of Joseph and Mary
…….”It was the plan of Michael to appear on earth as an average man, that the common people might understand him and receive him; wherefore Gabriel selected just such persons as Joseph and Mary to become the bestowal parents.
Joseph and Mary
(1344.4) 122:1.1 “Joseph, the human father of Jesus (Joshua ben Joseph), was a Hebrew of the Hebrews, albeit he carried many non-Jewish racial strains which had been added to his ancestral tree from time to time by the female lines of his progenitors. The ancestry of the father of Jesus went back to the days of Abraham and through this venerable patriarch to the earlier lines of inheritance leading to the Sumerians and Nodites and, through the southern tribes of the ancient blue man, to Andon and Fonta. David and Solomon were not in the direct line of Joseph’s ancestry, neither did Joseph’s lineage go directly back to Adam. Joseph’s immediate ancestors were mechanics — builders, carpenters, masons, and smiths. Joseph himself was a carpenter and later a contractor. His family belonged to a long and illustrious line of the nobility of the common people, accentuated ever and anon by the appearance of unusual individuals who had distinguished themselves in connection with the evolution of religion on Urantia.
(1345.1) 122:1.2 Mary, the earth mother of Jesus, was a descendant of a long line of unique ancestors embracing many of the most remarkable women in the racial history of Urantia. Although Mary was an average woman of her day and generation, possessing a fairly normal temperament, she reckoned among her ancestors such well-known women as Annon, Tamar, Ruth, Bathsheba, Ansie, Cloa, Eve, Enta, and Ratta. No Jewish woman of that day had a more illustrious lineage of common progenitors or one extending back to more auspicious beginnings. Mary’s ancestry, like Joseph’s, was characterized by the predominance of strong but average individuals, relieved now and then by numerous outstanding personalities in the march of civilization and the progressive evolution of religion. Racially considered, it is hardly proper to regard Mary as a Jewess. In culture and belief she was a Jew, but in hereditary endowment she was more a composite of Syrian, Hittite, Phoenician, Greek, and Egyptian stocks, her racial inheritance being more general than that of Joseph.
(1345.2) 122:1.3 Of all couples living in Palestine at about the time of Michael’s projected bestowal, Joseph and Mary possessed the most ideal combination of widespread racial connections and superior average of personality endowments. It was the plan of Michael to appear on earth as an average man, that the common people might understand him and receive him; wherefore Gabriel selected just such persons as Joseph and Mary to become the bestowal parents.”
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2013,01:10) The story of the origin of the UB, celestial beings communicating through a “sleeping subject” over a period of some 20+ years in Chicago Illinois (1911-34?) printed in 55, doesn't lend any more authority to the UB then Jesus coming from Nazareth. It's the compelling content that inspires people. Cut from the Urantia Foundation web site:
“The Urantia Book, first published by Urantia Foundation in 1955, claims to have been presented by celestial beings as a revelation to our planet, Urantia.
The writings in The Urantia Book instruct us on the genesis, history, and destiny of humanity and on our relationship with God the Father. They present a unique and compelling portrayal of the life and teachings of Jesus. They open new vistas of time and eternity to the human spirit, and offer new details of our ascending adventure in a friendly and carefully administered universe.
The Urantia Book offers a clear and concise integration of science, philosophy, and religion. Those who read and study it believe that The Urantia Book has the capacity to make a significant contribution to the religious and philosophical thinking of people worldwide.
The Urantia Book is not a “religion” per se. It builds upon the religious heritages of the past and present, encouraging a personal, living religious faith.
Readers around the world have told us that reading The Urantia Book has profoundly affected them and often changed their lives. It has inspired them to reach new levels of spiritual growth and enhanced their sense of the value of human life.
We encourage you to read it as well and discover for yourself its ennobling message.”
Colter
Colter,In your own words, what does the “Urantia” say regarding the return of Jesus?
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