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Nick,
You might want to reread the relevant verses as it is written:
Romans 2:14-15New English Translation (NET Bible)
14 For whenever the Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature the things required by the law, these who do not have the law are a law to themselves. 15 They show that the work of the law is written in their hearts, as their conscience bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or else defend them,
It only speaks of those Gentiles that obey the law as having the law written in their hearts.
Nick,
I think Paul was using as an example something that did not exist as he makes the point that no one is righteous under the law. Even though Gentile could not be righteous they could like David be a man after God’s own heart. Obviously since David was a Jew such is not limited just to the Gentiles. There is a hope of better things for those that follow Christ.
Nick,
The Law tells a man of sin but does not aid the man in overcoming sin because it is powerless and therefore the man must strive to overcome the world while still living according to the efforts of his carnal nature.
The Law of the Spirit has the power of God to overcome sin and so allows the man to live according to desires of the Spirit of God and not the desires of the carnal nature.
We receive and live by the Spirit by God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
K
read this ;
Jn 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.
Jn 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.
Jn 17:18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world.
Jn 17:19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one,think hard ;for we that came after the apostles are believer in their message and the only ;holy spirit we will get is the one that as been lay out in the truth the written word of God ; but this will also unify us with them to Christ and from Christ to God ;all be one in the truth
T,
why are you saying the spirit LANDED on Jesus wen it never did ?
” lighting upon him” means landed upon him.
Matthew 3:16Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Matthew 3:16New International Version (NIV)
16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him.
Nick,
Hi KW,
Does man achieve anything by STRIVING?
The flesh contributes nothing
I assume you mean by the carnal nature and the answer is no.
By faith under the new covenant a man can achieve all that God says he will give him, for with God all things are possible.
T,
read this ;
Jn 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.
Jn 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.
Jn 17:18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world.
Jn 17:19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one,think hard ;for we that came after the apostles are believer in their message and the only ;holy spirit we will get is the one that as been lay out in the truth the written word of God ; but this will also unify us with them to Christ and from Christ to God ;all be one in the truth
I am not sure what you are saying so my response may be off topic. This Scripture is not talking about the written word but rather about God’s word the written word is an image of just like a picture of a gun is an image of a real gun.
It is the Spirit of God that sanctifies, whether it is Jesus or those that believe in him. The Spirit is a mold of the word and molds those who persevere in their faith into the image of the word. God in intrinsically the image of his own word.
@K
Jn 1:32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him.
Mt 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.
Mk 1:10 As Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove.Jn 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
IS JOHN LYING ? PLEASE READ CAREFULLY ,
k
I am not sure what you are saying so my response may be off topic. This Scripture is not talking about the written word but rather about God’s word the written word is an image of just like a picture of a gun is an image of a real gun.
It is the Spirit of God that sanctifies, whether it is Jesus or those that believe in him. The Spirit is a mold of the word and molds those who persevere in their faith into the image of the word. God in intrinsically the image of his own word.
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i HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME ,YOU USING THE WORD “SPIRIT” IN SO MANY WAY THAT YOUR SENTENCE DOES NOT MAKE SENSE ,
ALL THIS COMES FROM YOU NOT BELIEVING THAT CHRIST PREEXISTED HIS COMING AS A MAN ,SO THIS DISCUSSION WOULD NEVER MAKE SENSE TO YOU ,FOR WE ARE NOT IN THE SAME SCRIPTURES AT ALL ,
SORRY KERWIN BUT I BELIEVE ALL THE SCRIPTURES AND ITS TRUTH ; YOU DO NOT ,SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT REFLECTION FROM THE SCRIPTURES ;
WE WILL NOT DISCUSS THIS SUBJECT AGAIN FOR WE DO NOT CONNECT
T,
Jn 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
So the book of John adds to what the book of Matthew says about the advent in saying that the Holy Spirit stayed with Jesus. The book of Matthew in a like manner tells us something the book of John does not in that the Spirit landed on Jesus.
T,
i HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME ,YOU USING THE WORD “SPIRIT” IN SO MANY WAY THAT YOUR SENTENCE DOES NOT MAKE SENSE ,
In that post I am speaking of the Spirit in its role as Advocate. In its role as Advocate it teaches the one that receives it to manifest the fruits of true righteousness and holiness. That is the mission that it is given to do by God. Jesus showed he had the Spirit in its role Advocate because he wore the new self created like God in true holiness and righteousness.
It does have another role and that is the giver of gifts. They are two different missions but the same Spirit that God gives them top. The Spirit can be in more places that one and therefor also given to the same person more than once. It is not necessary to give it twice for the same purpose. Jesus clearly had the Spirit as Advocate when the Spirit spoken of by John came upon him. We know he had the Spirit as Advocate because he never sinned even though as tempted as common to his fellow humans.
So two roles for the same Spirit.
Hi KW,
Teaches men to manifest righteousness?
Flesh cannot manifest anything good.
God empowers if God lives in submitted men.
Nick,
Flesh cannot manifest anything good.
You are correct that those that live by the beast nature of humans will fall short of the glory of God.
Teaches men to manifest righteousness?
If you live by the divine nature of the Spirit then you will have put on the new man that is created like God in true righteousness and holiness.
God empowers if God lives in submitted men.
Yes, God will and not their will: the will of the beast.
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