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Quote (Colter @ Jan. 17 2014,02:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,00:20) Colter. Very interesting to read,but not to be taken seriously.
Too much politicking in the universe.
The bible is about humans on earth being processed
Spiritually to be made as the sons of God in a spirit body.
Men being put through the mill of pain and sufferings.
And doing good rather than evil.
To be obedient to the creator.
We will be God's treasure.All evil will be of the past.wakeup.
Like it or not there is a power structure in the universe, there is delegated authority, it is political. We are not God, we are Sons.In order for Satan to “fool the whole world” he had to have the power and authority to do it. The Son had the power and authority to take it away, he did.
Earth is not our permanent home; we leave here and make our way back to the father through the experience that you described.
Colter
Colter.God has given satan authority.
The dragon,the serpent,satan=lucifer.
SATAN SPEAKING:
Job 1:10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.SATAN SPEAKING:
Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.GOD SPEAKING:
Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,11:21) Quote (Colter @ Jan. 17 2014,02:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,00:20) Colter. Very interesting to read,but not to be taken seriously.
Too much politicking in the universe.
The bible is about humans on earth being processed
Spiritually to be made as the sons of God in a spirit body.
Men being put through the mill of pain and sufferings.
And doing good rather than evil.
To be obedient to the creator.
We will be God's treasure.All evil will be of the past.wakeup.
Like it or not there is a power structure in the universe, there is delegated authority, it is political. We are not God, we are Sons.In order for Satan to “fool the whole world” he had to have the power and authority to do it. The Son had the power and authority to take it away, he did.
Earth is not our permanent home; we leave here and make our way back to the father through the experience that you described.
Colter
Colter.God has given satan authority.
The dragon,the serpent,satan=lucifer.
SATAN SPEAKING:
Job 1:10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.SATAN SPEAKING:
Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.GOD SPEAKING:
Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.wakeup.
True, and the evil ones kept not their first estate but rebelled against the Son. They abused their power, that was never Gods will.Colter
Quote (Colter @ Jan. 17 2014,13:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,11:21) Quote (Colter @ Jan. 17 2014,02:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,00:20) Colter. Very interesting to read,but not to be taken seriously.
Too much politicking in the universe.
The bible is about humans on earth being processed
Spiritually to be made as the sons of God in a spirit body.
Men being put through the mill of pain and sufferings.
And doing good rather than evil.
To be obedient to the creator.
We will be God's treasure.All evil will be of the past.wakeup.
Like it or not there is a power structure in the universe, there is delegated authority, it is political. We are not God, we are Sons.In order for Satan to “fool the whole world” he had to have the power and authority to do it. The Son had the power and authority to take it away, he did.
Earth is not our permanent home; we leave here and make our way back to the father through the experience that you described.
Colter
Colter.God has given satan authority.
The dragon,the serpent,satan=lucifer.
SATAN SPEAKING:
Job 1:10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.SATAN SPEAKING:
Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.GOD SPEAKING:
Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.wakeup.
True, and the evil ones kept not their first estate but rebelled against the Son. They abused their power, that was never Gods will.Colter
Colter.That was part of God's plan.
For he knew before hand,what they will do.
He knew from the beginning to the end.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,13:36) Quote (Colter @ Jan. 17 2014,13:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,11:21) Quote (Colter @ Jan. 17 2014,02:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,00:20) Colter. Very interesting to read,but not to be taken seriously.
Too much politicking in the universe.
The bible is about humans on earth being processed
Spiritually to be made as the sons of God in a spirit body.
Men being put through the mill of pain and sufferings.
And doing good rather than evil.
To be obedient to the creator.
We will be God's treasure.All evil will be of the past.wakeup.
Like it or not there is a power structure in the universe, there is delegated authority, it is political. We are not God, we are Sons.In order for Satan to “fool the whole world” he had to have the power and authority to do it. The Son had the power and authority to take it away, he did.
Earth is not our permanent home; we leave here and make our way back to the father through the experience that you described.
Colter
Colter.God has given satan authority.
The dragon,the serpent,satan=lucifer.
SATAN SPEAKING:
Job 1:10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.SATAN SPEAKING:
Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.GOD SPEAKING:
Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.wakeup.
True, and the evil ones kept not their first estate but rebelled against the Son. They abused their power, that was never Gods will.Colter
Colter.That was part of God's plan.
For he knew before hand,what they will do.
He knew from the beginning to the end.wakeup.
That doesn't make any sense.Quote (Colter @ Jan. 17 2014,14:01) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,13:36) Quote (Colter @ Jan. 17 2014,13:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,11:21) Quote (Colter @ Jan. 17 2014,02:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,00:20) Colter. Very interesting to read,but not to be taken seriously.
Too much politicking in the universe.
The bible is about humans on earth being processed
Spiritually to be made as the sons of God in a spirit body.
Men being put through the mill of pain and sufferings.
And doing good rather than evil.
To be obedient to the creator.
We will be God's treasure.All evil will be of the past.wakeup.
Like it or not there is a power structure in the universe, there is delegated authority, it is political. We are not God, we are Sons.In order for Satan to “fool the whole world” he had to have the power and authority to do it. The Son had the power and authority to take it away, he did.
Earth is not our permanent home; we leave here and make our way back to the father through the experience that you described.
Colter
Colter.God has given satan authority.
The dragon,the serpent,satan=lucifer.
SATAN SPEAKING:
Job 1:10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.SATAN SPEAKING:
Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.GOD SPEAKING:
Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.wakeup.
True, and the evil ones kept not their first estate but rebelled against the Son. They abused their power, that was never Gods will.Colter
Colter.That was part of God's plan.
For he knew before hand,what they will do.
He knew from the beginning to the end.wakeup.
That doesn't make any sense.
Colter.Do you believe God knows everything before
it happened?wakeup.
Quote (Colter @ Jan. 13 2014,23:46) Hi 2besee, Nice, heart felt post. I agree. When I first read the OT I was stunned at how messed up it is, how God is portrayed compared to how he was in Jesus and is in spirit.
Keep doing what you’re doing, God can be found quite apart from the writings of Holy men.
Have you ever read the writings of the Eastern Monks, Hermits, Dessert Fathers, Mystics.
I read the Bible in a different order – Genesis through to end of OT, skipping the wisdom books, NT, then back to the wisdom books (Job, Psalms), finish. What seemed chaos, has now ended with peace. So maybe it is order?
I believe peace and truth may be found in the Eastern Monks. Prayer, inner calm, reflection, separation from the world, a goal to find God.
Have you read Mysteries of The Jesus Prayer?
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 17 2014,17:33) Quote (Colter @ Jan. 13 2014,23:46) Hi 2besee, Nice, heart felt post. I agree. When I first read the OT I was stunned at how messed up it is, how God is portrayed compared to how he was in Jesus and is in spirit.
Keep doing what you’re doing, God can be found quite apart from the writings of Holy men.
Have you ever read the writings of the Eastern Monks, Hermits, Dessert Fathers, Mystics.
I read the Bible in a different order – Genesis through to end of OT, skipping the wisdom books, NT, then back to the wisdom books (Job, Psalms), finish. What seemed chaos, has now ended with peace. So maybe it is order?
I believe peace and truth may be found in the Eastern Monks. Prayer, inner calm, reflection, separation from the world, a goal to find God.
Have you read Mysteries of The Jesus Prayer?
2Besee.You are adopting the falling away doctrine.
How easy it is to fall away.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,20:03) How easy it is to fall away. And how much easier it would be for you to GO away!
Colter, you have rejected the gospel and the one whom God has sent. It's your life, but your soul is loved by God. But he cannot force you to be one with him. You need to choose him and continue to align with him. There are many things you do not understand. We all struggle to see the big picture of course and God's vision is much greater than ours. How about a bit of faith in him.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,16:09) Quote (Colter @ Jan. 17 2014,14:01) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,13:36) Quote (Colter @ Jan. 17 2014,13:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,11:21) Quote (Colter @ Jan. 17 2014,02:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,00:20) Colter. Very interesting to read,but not to be taken seriously.
Too much politicking in the universe.
The bible is about humans on earth being processed
Spiritually to be made as the sons of God in a spirit body.
Men being put through the mill of pain and sufferings.
And doing good rather than evil.
To be obedient to the creator.
We will be God's treasure.All evil will be of the past.wakeup.
Like it or not there is a power structure in the universe, there is delegated authority, it is political. We are not God, we are Sons.In order for Satan to “fool the whole world” he had to have the power and authority to do it. The Son had the power and authority to take it away, he did.
Earth is not our permanent home; we leave here and make our way back to the father through the experience that you described.
Colter
Colter.God has given satan authority.
The dragon,the serpent,satan=lucifer.
SATAN SPEAKING:
Job 1:10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.SATAN SPEAKING:
Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.GOD SPEAKING:
Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.wakeup.
True, and the evil ones kept not their first estate but rebelled against the Son. They abused their power, that was never Gods will.Colter
Colter.That was part of God's plan.
For he knew before hand,what they will do.
He knew from the beginning to the end.wakeup.
That doesn't make any sense.
Colter.Do you believe God knows everything before
it happened?wakeup.
You are confusing the foreknowledge that a child will fall short of perfection with the idea that it is Gods will for the child to sin.God is perfection, his children are potentially imperfect.
From the theoretical beginning, God knows that his way will eventually prevail not sin and error.
God is already at the end where the name of Satan is forgotten.
God is good.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Jan. 17 2014,20:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,16:09) Quote (Colter @ Jan. 17 2014,14:01) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,13:36) Quote (Colter @ Jan. 17 2014,13:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,11:21) Quote (Colter @ Jan. 17 2014,02:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,00:20) Colter. Very interesting to read,but not to be taken seriously.
Too much politicking in the universe.
The bible is about humans on earth being processed
Spiritually to be made as the sons of God in a spirit body.
Men being put through the mill of pain and sufferings.
And doing good rather than evil.
To be obedient to the creator.
We will be God's treasure.All evil will be of the past.wakeup.
Like it or not there is a power structure in the universe, there is delegated authority, it is political. We are not God, we are Sons.In order for Satan to “fool the whole world” he had to have the power and authority to do it. The Son had the power and authority to take it away, he did.
Earth is not our permanent home; we leave here and make our way back to the father through the experience that you described.
Colter
Colter.God has given satan authority.
The dragon,the serpent,satan=lucifer.
SATAN SPEAKING:
Job 1:10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.SATAN SPEAKING:
Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.GOD SPEAKING:
Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.wakeup.
True, and the evil ones kept not their first estate but rebelled against the Son. They abused their power, that was never Gods will.Colter
Colter.That was part of God's plan.
For he knew before hand,what they will do.
He knew from the beginning to the end.wakeup.
That doesn't make any sense.
Colter.Do you believe God knows everything before
it happened?wakeup.
You are confusing the foreknowledge that a child will fall short of perfection with the idea that it is Gods will for the child to sin.God is perfection, his children are potentially imperfect.
From the theoretical beginning, God knows that his way will eventually prevail not sin and error.
God is already at the end where the name of Satan is forgotten.
God is good.
Colter
Colter.Did God know before hand that some of his angels will fall?
wakeup.
Colter and others. Please refrain from quoting all the time. I personally cannot follow a conversation, when I have to sift through 70% noise or repetition.
Most of the time, a normal post is better. It stands out and is easier to read. If you are replying to a post from further back, then yes you can quote. It is even better if you quote the exact bit you are replying to.
I may have to disable this function if it is not used in the way it was intended.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2014,20:03) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 17 2014,17:33)
Have you ever read the writings of the Eastern Monks, Hermits, Dessert Fathers, Mystics.I read the Bible in a different order – Genesis through to end of OT, skipping the wisdom books, NT, then back to the wisdom books (Job, Psalms), finish. What seemed chaos, has now ended with peace. So maybe it is order?
I believe peace and truth may be found in the Eastern Monks. Prayer, inner calm, reflection, separation from the world, a goal to find God.
Have you read Mysteries of The Jesus Prayer?
2Besee.You are adopting the falling away doctrine.
How easy it is to fall away.wakeup.
W, Yes.
People will tickle the ears of the seekers,
They will enter into their hearts,
They will teach against baptisim,
(ring any bells)
against the commandments of Almighty God,
They will lead them astray,
Lead them unto death,
all for the love of words,
men needing soothing,
rather than going to God for help.
Like a drug, alcahol, sex,
They seek after false teachers,
Rather than the lonely hermit, alone in a dessert,
Who seeks only one thing,
God.Quote Colter. Did God know before hand that some of his angels will fall?
wakeup.
Yes, and Lucifer was allowed to rebel. The wisdom of allowing this high Son of God the time lag of justice was to show him to be wrong through truth.
The foundation of Lucifers war in heaven was the charge that the Paradise Father didn't exist, that the Paradise Sons of God, the creators of the universes, were perpetuating a fraud. Jesus proved Lucifer and his co conspirators to be wrong in how he handled the rebellion. Jesus won many back that might have stayed in error if the Paradise Son had terminated the rebellion and the rebels.
Your theology charges more than allowing evil, rebellion and the offer of repentance when errors are realized. You claim God's will is both evil and Good, that God wills for the devil to work against Gods other will for his children. God uses love to destroy sin, his way was superior to Lucifers way by far.
Colter
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 17 2014,22:08) Colter and others. Please refrain from quoting all the time. I personally cannot follow a conversation, when I have to sift through 70% noise or repetition. Most of the time, a normal post is better. It stands out and is easier to read. If you are replying to a post from further back, then yes you can quote. It is even better if you quote the exact bit you are replying to.
I may have to disable this function if it is not used in the way it was intended.
Yes, sorry, you had asked that before. Some forums just quote the comment that one is replying to. Will be sure to do it right.Colter
Colter.
God is NOT evil,but can also do evil.He can do everything.
He has no limits.
God created good and evil for us to know good ,and evil.
Evil had to be created; and He is the only creator of all that is created.wakeup.
2Besee.
You are contradicting the written Word of God.
How do you feel about that?
Jesus said: No one can come to the Father but by ME.
It is not good to seek after strange flesh.
What are you doing?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 18 2014,23:09) Colter. God is NOT evil,but can also do evil.He can do everything.
He has no limits.
God created good and evil for us to know good ,and evil.
Evil had to be created; and He is the only creator of all that is created.wakeup.
Your philosophy is terribly flawed, God cannot do the un godlike thing.God had a will for Lucifer before he sinned and rebelled, because God is Good and perfect, he allowed everyone to see the folly of Lucifers inferior way.
God never has nor will he ever become evil.
The goodness and perfection of the eternal God creates the potential for evil in subordinate beings of will status, but it is not his will that they be sinful or evil.
Colter
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