Christians not embracing the end time

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The “son of God” is a concept it is just not LITERAL. Literally God created Jesus. God did not mate with Mary therefore the term “son” can only apply in a metaphorical or adoptive way and this is in complete alignment with biblical scripture…..

The Son is the Father of creation as we know it, his Father is the existential personification of the eternal and infinite I AM.

The pre-existent spirit Son incarnates as the baby that Joseph and Mary conceived. He grew in consciousness of who he truly was. He allowed his mortal body to be killed then ->he<-resurrected a likeness of his previous mortal form for man to see and talk with, and then returned to his rightful place in heaven as Lord and God. He then poured out his spirit upon all flesh; it is now present with us.

That’s not the same concept that Islam has.

Colter

Actually semantics aside the Quran says clearly:

O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)

As I said before:

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

This doesn't mean Jesus is God it simply means God was made evident

January 14, 2014 at 6:48 am#367212

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Boditharta.

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Hasn't the daily sacrifice already been taken away before? Most importantly don't you believe that Jesus was the perfect sacrifice so for Christians there have been no daily sacrifice for 2000 years which far exceeds 1290 days.

THE SACRIFICE *FOR ALL* HAS BEEN PERFORMED AT THE CROSS. NO NEED FOR ANIMAL SACRIFICES.
WE CHRISTIANS SACRIFICE DAILY, BY NOT TOUCHING THE UNCLEAN THING; THE LUST OF THE FLESH.

RE' THE 1290 DAYS IS ANOTHER SUBLECT.

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What I am saying is there have been terrible terrible times World War 1 World War 2 and even the Civil War for Americans no time has been worse than the civil war or in Europe during the plague the majority of the people died there has never been a worse time for them and on it goes these times would have seen like the end of the world for those experiencing it and it was in fact the end of their world.

TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NEED TO READ MATT.24,AND THE PROPHESIES.
THE LAST WAR WILL DESTROY ALL FLESH,ANIMALS INCLUDED. BUT FOR THE ELECT SAKE IT WILL BE SHORTENED.BABYLON WILL BE DESTROYED.
ALL THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS WILL BE NO MORE.

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1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Say to My servants that they should (only) say those things that are best: for Satan doth sow dissensions among them: For Satan is to man an avowed enemy.

SATAN IS AS A ROARING LION,AND HE HAS CREATED MANY RELIGIONS. ALL CLAIMING TO BE GOOD.
AND HE ALSO HAS INFILTRATED THE CHURCHES,
ALL TEACHING GOOD,BUT CONTRADICTING THE TRUTH.
AND HAVE PUT THEM ASLEEP,LIKE THE FIVE VIRGINS THAT FELL ASLEEP. THIS IS WHAT SATAN WANTS.
WE NEED TO WORK HARD TO PREPARE OUR ARK,THAT IS GOING TO SAVE US FROM THE TRIBULATIONTO COME.
THAT ARK IS KNOWLEDGE IN CHHRIST.

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The Highest position is to Praise God not in trying to know the hour because the Hour is unknown so the only right way to prepare is to practice Godly attributes such as Love, thoughtfulness and care. When you are always looking far ahead you may miss what is right in front of you.

ALL MUSLEMS CONTINUESLY PRAISE ALLAH DAILY.
ARE THEY SAVED?

THE PROPHESIES ARE THERE TO GIVE US KNOWLEDGE.
IT IS THERE TO GIVE US UNDERSTANDING REGARDING SATAN'S PLAN IN THIS WORLD. AND WE NEED TO KNOW HIS PLAN SO WE WON'T BE DECEIVED.WHICH MANY WILL BE,BECAUSE OF LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.

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Matthew 6:34
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

THAT IS SPEAKING OF OUR DAILY NEEDS,AND PERSONAL PROBLEMS.

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The issue I am taking up with you is to avoid watching illusions because this is how magic works, the person looks at what appears to be obvious but the depth of a trick can be designed in unimaginable ways just like a magic show.

THAT IS NOT WHAT KNOWLEDGE IS.
SCRIPTURE NEEDS TO BE COMPARED WITH SCRIPTURES.
THERE CAN BE NO INTERPRETATIONS,CONTRADICTING
SCRIPTURES.ALL SCIPTURES NEEDS TO BE INTERPRETED IN HARMONY.

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“Throw that which is in thy right hand: Quickly will it swallow up that which they have faked what they have faked is but a magician's trick: and the magician thrives not, (no matter) where he goes.”

THAT IS ENTERTAINMENT,AND SO IS THE MUSIC WORLD.
MANY SEEK AFTER SATAN TO GIVE THEM SUCCESS.
MANY IN BUSINESS DO THE SAME;ALL FOR GREED.
JESUS WAS ONCE ALSO TEMPTED,AND PROMISED THE WORLD.

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Likewise God is always in control, so praise God.

I AGREE.

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You are not a slave to sin so there is no need to look for an escape for you are free so spread the GOOD NEWS

THAT IS CONTRADICTING THE TRUTH.
WE ARE ALL SLAVES TO SIN. WE CAN NOT CONTROL THE LUST OF THE FLESH.MANY ARE SLAVES TO GREED AND WANT,AND HAVE. THIS IS THE CAUSE OF WARS AND COMPETITIONS,AND STRIFE. ONLY THE FEAR OF GOD CAN CONTROL THAT SPIRIT OF GREED,AND LUST.

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2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

THAT IS SPEAKING TO THE GOD FEARING.NOT EVERYONE.

FOR YOUR INFO. ISLAM WAS CREATED BY THE ILLUMINATI.
AND SO IS COMMUNISM.BINLADEN,ALQUAEDA,THE BROTHER HOOD,ARAB SPRING.
GO CHECK IT OUT.

wakeup.

You keep saying that you are saved but what does that mean no one is “SAVED” until the end by the grace of God if that were not true then your prophecies have no point at all because they indicate that they can be deceived and lose their salvation, the Bible clearly states:

Philippians 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

If you are saved what is there to work out? Muslims understand that salvation comes only from the grace of God they are not arrogant assuming salvation but every Christian of every denomination assumes salvation but that's impossible otherwise there would be no heed or warning of backsliding or trying to endure to the end.

You said we are slaves to sin here is what the bible says:

1 Corinthians 7:22
For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.

Gal
atians 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Boditharta.

Have truly search the scriptures?
Many christians believe that they are automatically saved because of the blood of Christ. Not me.

We are only saved if we follow Christs commandments.

If we are in Christ: then are we free from sin.
If we are not in Christ we are still in bondage.
We are slaves of sin;the lust of the flesh.

To come out of Babylon means to come out of the spirit of this world. The spirit of this world is antiChrist; lust, greed, power, selfishness,the hunger for the material.
We need to hunger for knowledge,treasures in heaven that last for ever.

All the praisings and works is not enough to earn the ticket to heaven. We also need his mercy,the blotting out of our sins. All mans good works is as dirty rags before God.

wakeup.

January 14, 2014 at 6:29 pm#367232

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The Son is the Father of creation as we know it, his Father is the existential personification of the eternal and infinite I AM.

That’s not the same concept that Islam has.

Colter

Actually semantics aside the Quran says clearly:

( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)

As I said before:

This doesn't mean Jesus is God it simply means God was made evident

Yes, I do recall that you “cherry pick” the scripture where it suits your unbelief but avoid Jesus' own words and actions that contradict you and Mohamed’s personal confusion.

Colter

January 14, 2014 at 7:36 pm#367233

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Boditharta.

Jesus *IS* the Word of God made flesh.
The word of God had glory with God before the world was.
They had glory together creating.
The Word was transformed into flesh by birth.
*I proceeded forth from the Father*.
*I came out from the Father*.
Mohamad was created by Him,and all things were made by Him, and for Him.
Without Him was not anything made that was made.

Jesus is not Just a prophet;He is the creator.
God is almighty,and his Word is also almighty.
God's Word is a LIVING WORD.
Should we worship the creature; rather than the creator?
Allah is not the creator God,despite all the claims that he is.
There is no scriptural evidence to proof, that allah is the creator. The qur'an is not a continuation of the new testament.The new testament ended with the book of revelation,and nothing to be added nor taken away.

wakeup.

January 14, 2014 at 7:42 pm#367234

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 14 2014,16:48)

Boditharta.

Have truly search the scriptures?
Many christians believe that they are automatically saved because of the blood of Christ. Not me.

We are only saved if we follow Christs commandments.

If we are in Christ: then are we free from sin.
If we are not in Christ we are still in bondage.
We are slaves of sin;the lust of the flesh.

All the praisings and works is not enough to earn the ticket to heaven. We also need his mercy,the blotting out of our sins. All mans good works is as dirty rags before God.

wakeup.

Yes, Salvation is by the grace of God

January 14, 2014 at 7:45 pm#367236

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The Son is the Father of creation as we know it, his Father is the existential personification of the eternal and infinite I AM.

That’s not the same concept that Islam has.

Colter

Actually semantics aside the Quran says clearly:

( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)

As I said before:

This doesn't mean Jesus is God it simply means God was made evident

Yes, I do recall that you “cherry pick” the scripture where it suits your unbelief but avoid Jesus' own words and actions that contradict you and Mohamed’s personal confusion.

Colter

Not cherry picking intentionally but then again don't we all cherry pick? However where does Jesus words and actions contradict Muhammad?

He doesn't display any sort of confusion, do you believe that God had an intimate sex relationship with Mary? Y or N

January 14, 2014 at 7:53 pm#367239

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Boditharta.

wakeup.

Yes, Jesus is the Word of God made flesh. Do you believe that God had no word when Jesus was created?

The Quran agrees with you but is simply clarifying:

” Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him”

Did not God speak out from heaven while Christ was on earth? Did he have another “Word” or is the “Word” His creative power and Jesus was created with it?

The book of revelations says that nothing should be taken out or added to THAT BOOK (the book of revelations) there was no such thing as the NT at the time of that writing that's why they are called “books” of the Bible (Which is a collection of Books and letters) it is a bibliography.

January 14, 2014 at 10:45 pm#367264

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Boditharta.

wakeup.

Yes, Jesus is the Word of God made flesh. Do you believe that God had no word when Jesus was created?

The Quran agrees with you but is simply clarifying:

” Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him”

Did not God speak out from heaven while Christ was on earth? Did he have another “Word” or is the “Word” His creative power and Jesus was created with it?

Boditharta.

.In the beginning was the Word,and the word was *WITH* God,and the Word *WAS* God.

EXPLANATION OF:
1.) *WITH* GOD.
2.) *WAS* GOD.

1A). *WITH* God.
1B.) God brought forth His word;from *inside* of him to the *outside* of Him.God gave Him a form like His own image.(He is a living Word).
(IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD AND THE WORD WAS **WITH** GOD).WHEN THE BEGINNING OF CREATION
STARTED.

2A.) *WAS* God. BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF
CREATION.
2B).Before creating had started; there was only God.
And his Mind. There was *no Word* as yet,because
God had not spoken. Every word comes from the Mind.
(AND THE WORD *WAS* GOD).

GOD'S WORD NEVER RUNS OUT,HE COMES FROM INSIDE GOD'S MIND.

On earth: What ever God was thinking;His Word spoke out.
Jesus spoke out God's mind.

What ever the father tells me;that I say.
What ever I see the father do;that I do.
I myself, can not do anything.

wakeup.

January 15, 2014 at 2:14 am#367295

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The Son is the Father of creation as we know it, his Father is the existential personification of the eternal and infinite I AM.

That’s not the same concept that Islam has.

Colter

Actually semantics aside the Quran says clearly:

( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)

As I said before:

This doesn't mean Jesus is God it simply means God was made evident

Yes, I do recall that you “cherry pick” the scripture where it suits your unbelief but avoid Jesus' own words and actions that contradict you and Mohamed’s personal confusion.

Colter

Not cherry picking intentionally but then again don't we all cherry pick? However where does Jesus words and actions contradict Muhammad?

He doesn't display any sort of confusion, do you believe that God had an intimate sex relationship with Mary? Y or N

No, the virgin birth story wasn't taught by Jesus, it came from the Pagans that adopted the new gospel after Jesus returned to heaven.

Jesus' mortal parents were married, he was their first born son.

The miracle of the birth of Jesus was how the creator Son became the child Jesus.

Colter

January 15, 2014 at 3:32 am#367306

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Isaiah 9:6 ***For unto us a child is born***,
***unto us a son is given***:
***and the government shall be upon his shoulder***:
and his name shall be called
***Wonderful***,
*** Counsellor***,
***The mighty God***,
***The everlasting Father***
***The Prince of Peace***
This was written long before His birth.
He is no comparison to mohamad.
He Is the Word of God made flesh.
God and His Word is one God.

wakeup.

January 15, 2014 at 11:05 am#367344

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wakeup.

Hey, we agree

“He lived his mortal life just as all others of the human family may live theirs, “who in the days of the flesh so frequently offered up prayers and supplications, even with strong feelings and tears, to Him who is able to save from all evil, and his prayers were effective because he believed.” Wherefore it behooved him in every respect to be made like his brethren that he might become a merciful and understanding sovereign ruler over them.

Of his human nature he was never in doubt; it was self-evident and always present in his consciousness. But of his divine nature there was always room for doubt and conjecture, at least this was true right up to the event of his baptism. The self-realization of divinity was a slow and, from the human standpoint, a natural evolutionary revelation. This revelation and self-realization of divinity began in Jerusalem when he was not quite thirteen years old with the first supernatural occurrence of his human existence; and this experience of effecting the self-realization of his divine nature was completed at the time of his second supernatural experience while in the flesh, the episode attendant upon his baptism by John in the Jordan, which event marked the beginning of his public career of ministry and teaching.

Between these two celestial visitations, one in his thirteenth year and the other at his baptism, there occurred nothing supernatural or superhuman in the life of this incarnated Creator Son. Notwithstanding this, the babe of Bethlehem, the lad, youth, and man of Nazareth, was in reality the incarnated Creator of a universe; but he never once used aught of this power, nor did he utilize the guidance of celestial personalities, aside from that of his guardian seraphim, in the living of his human life up to the day of his baptism by John. And we who thus testify know whereof we speak.” UB

Colter

January 15, 2014 at 10:43 pm#367374

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wakeup.

Hey, we agree

Colter

Colter.

Who/what, is the Holy spirit to your understanding?

wakeup.

January 16, 2014 at 1:05 am#367385

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The Source and identity of The Holy Spirit

“1. Personalization of the Creative Spirit

(374.4) 34:1.1 After the completion of the physical organization of a starry and planetary cluster and the establishment of the energy circuits by the superuniverse power centers, subsequent to this preliminary work of creation by the agencies of the Infinite Spirit, operating through, and under the direction of, his local universe creative focalization, there goes forth the proclamation of the Michael Son that life is next to be projected in the newly organized universe. Upon the Paradise recognition of this declaration of intention, there occurs a reaction of approval in the Paradise Trinity, followed by the disappearance in the spiritual shining of the Deities of the Master Spirit in whose superuniverse this new creation is organizing. Meanwhile the other Master Spirits draw near this central lodgment of the Paradise Deities, and subsequently, when the Deity-embraced Master Spirit emerges to the recognition of his fellows, there occurs what is known as a “primary eruption.” This is a tremendous spiritual flash, a phenomenon clearly discernible as far away as the headquarters of the superuniverse concerned; and simultaneously with this little-understood Trinity manifestation there occurs a marked change in the nature of the creative spirit presence and power of the Infinite Spirit resident in the local universe concerned. In response to these Paradise phenomena there immediately personalizes, in the very presence of the Creator Son, a new personal representation of the Infinite Spirit. This is the Divine Minister. The individualized Creative Spirit helper of the Creator Son has become his personal creative associate, the local universe Mother Spirit.

(375.1) 34:1.2 From and through this new personal segregation of the Conjoint Creator there proceed the established currents and the ordained circuits of spirit power and spiritual influence destined to pervade all the worlds and beings of that local universe. In reality, this new and personal presence is but a transformation of the pre-existent and less personal associate of the Son in his earlier work of physical universe organization.

(375.2) 34:1.3 This is the relation of a stupendous drama in few words, but it represents about all that can be told regarding these momentous transactions. They are instantaneous, inscrutable, and incomprehensible; the secret of the technique and procedure resides in the bosom of the Paradise Trinity. Of only one thing are we certain: The Spirit presence in the local universe during the time of purely physical creation or organization was incompletely differentiated from the spirit of the Paradise Infinite Spirit; whereas, after the reappearance of the supervising Master Spirit from the secret embrace of the Gods and following the flash of spiritual energy, the local universe manifestation of the Infinite Spirit suddenly and completely changes to the personal likeness of that Master Spirit who was in transmuting liaison with the Infinite Spirit. The local universe Mother Spirit thus acquires a personal nature tinged by that of the Master Spirit of the superuniverse of astronomic jurisdiction.

(375.3) 34:1.4 This personalized presence of the Infinite Spirit, the Creative Mother Spirit of the local universe, is known in Satania as the Divine Minister. To all practical intents and spiritual purposes this manifestation of Deity is a divine individual, a spirit person. And she is so recognized and regarded by the Creator Son. It is through this localization and personalization of the Third Source and Center in our local universe that the Spirit could subsequently become so fully subject to the Creator Son that of this Son it was truly said, “All power in heaven and on earth has been intrusted to him.”

Colter

January 16, 2014 at 9:25 am#367414

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Thank you for that Colter.

It's all explained in an abstract way,that no one can understand even you.God and Jesus is not mentioned.
Before the universe God was;and the Holy spirit in Him.

I know that God does not explain things that way.
And I know that Jesus does not explain things that way.
Can you tell me the history of Lucifer please?

wakeup.

January 16, 2014 at 10:43 am#367417

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Thank you for that Colter.

It's all explained in an abstract way,that no one can understand even you.God and Jesus is not mentioned.
Before the universe God was;and the Holy spirit in Him.

I know that God does not explain things that way.
And I know that Jesus does not explain things that way.
Can you tell me the history of Lucifer please?

wakeup.

And the savages thought Jesus was too nice, that God wouldn't act that way. So they killed him.

*I understand the explanation in a conceptual way but not God in an absolute sense. It makes more sense than the Bible books.

*I started a thread on The Lucifer Rebellion on this forum. Lucifer was a creation of Christ Michael (a.k.a. Jesus). Lucifer was a brilliant administrator, an eventuated being. He was high in the chain of authority in the administration of a number of evolutionary worlds.

While Lucifer knew his elder creator brother, the Paradise Son Christ Michael, the concept of a universal Father was a matter of faith. Lucifer fell in love with his own brilliance and began to doubt the existence of God the Father. He launched a rebellion against the rule and authority of Michael. He attempted to become God over the worlds under his authority.

Our resident “planetary prince” was swept up in the rebellion as well as many angels and other orders of celestial beings. Satan was Lucifers assistant, he was more closely involved with this world.

In total the rebellion broke out about 250,000 years ago Earth time and was terminated just prior to Jesus' baptism.

The rebels are no more, they were defeated and are gone. John saw a glimpse of the past events in his revelation on Patmos.

“Rev 12: 7-9

7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them. in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Colter

January 16, 2014 at 12:26 pm#367418

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Thank you for that Colter.

It's all explained in an abstract way,that no one can understand even you.God and Jesus is not mentioned.
Before the universe God was;and the Holy spirit in Him.

I know that God does not explain things that way.
And I know that Jesus does not explain things that way.
Can you tell me the history of Lucifer please?

wakeup.

And the savages thought Jesus was too nice, that God wouldn't act that way. So they killed him.

*I understand the explanation in a conceptual way but not God in an absolute sense. It makes more sense than the Bible books.

In total the rebellion broke out about 250,000 years ago Earth time and was terminated just prior to Jesus' baptism.

The rebels are no more, they were defeated and are gone. John saw a glimpse of the past events in his revelation on Patmos.

“Rev 12: 7-9

Colter

Colter.

Jesus and Micha'el are brothers?
The dragon is lucifer.?
The old serpent is satan?
Where are they now on earth?
So will there fbe an ending story?
If so;what will be their end?

wakeup.

January 16, 2014 at 12:28 pm#367419

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The Lucifer Rebellion

January 16, 2014 at 12:49 pm#367420

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Thank you for that Colter.

It's all explained in an abstract way,that no one can understand even you.God and Jesus is not mentioned.
Before the universe God was;and the Holy spirit in Him.

I know that God does not explain things that way.
And I know that Jesus does not explain things that way.
Can you tell me the history of Lucifer please?

wakeup.

And the savages thought Jesus was too nice, that God wouldn't act that way. So they killed him.

*I understand the explanation in a conceptual way but not God in an absolute sense. It makes more sense than the Bible books.

In total the rebellion broke out about 250,000 years ago Earth time and was terminated just prior to Jesus' baptism.

The rebels are no more, they were defeated and are gone. John saw a glimpse of the past events in his revelation on Patmos.

“Rev 12: 7-9

Colter

Colter.

Jesus and Micha'el are brothers?
The dragon is lucifer.?
The old serpent is satan?
Where are they now on earth?
So will there fbe an ending story?
If so;what will be their end?

wakeup.

* Jesus is Michael, same person. The spiritual Father of our Universe is Christ Michael. While incarnate among the Jews his name was Joshua Ben Joseph “Jesus” as Michaels cheif executive Gabriel instructed Mary.

* The “dragon” represents all the rebels Lucifer, his asstent Satan, the “prince of this world” Caligastia.

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The Urantia Book
Paper 53
The Lucifer Rebellion
(601.1) 53:0.1 LUCIFER was a brilliant primary Lanonandek Son of Nebadon. He had experienced service in many systems, had been a high counselor of his group, and was distinguished for wisdom, sagacity, and efficiency. Lucifer was number 37 of his order, and when commissioned by the Melchizedeks, he was designated as one of the one hundred most able and brilliant personalities in more than seven hundred thousand of his kind. From such a magnificent beginning, through evil and error, he embraced sin and now is numbered as one of three System Sovereigns in Nebadon who have succumbed to the urge of self and surrendered to the sophistry of spurious personal liberty — rejection of universe allegiance and disregard of fraternal obligations, blindness to cosmic relationships.

(601.2) 53:0.2 In the universe of Nebadon, the domain of Christ Michael, there are ten thousand systems of inhabited worlds. In all the history of Lanonandek Sons, in all their work throughout these thousands of systems and at the universe headquarters, only three System Sovereigns have ever been found in contempt of the government of the Creator Son.

1. The Leaders of Rebellion

(601.3) 53:1.1 Lucifer was not an ascendant being; he was a created Son of the local universe, and of him it was said: “You were perfect in all your ways from the day you were created till unrighteousness was found in you.” Many times had he been in counsel with the Most Highs of Edentia. And Lucifer reigned “upon the holy mountain of God,” the administrative mount of Jerusem, for he was the chief executive of a great system of 607 inhabited worlds.

(601.4) 53:1.2 Lucifer was a magnificent being, a brilliant personality; he stood next to the Most High Fathers of the constellations in the direct line of universe authority. Notwithstanding Lucifer’s transgression, subordinate intelligences refrained from showing him disrespect and disdain prior to Michael’s bestowal on Urantia. Even the archangel of Michael, at the time of Moses’ resurrection, “did not bring against him an accusing judgment but simply said, ‘the Judge rebuke you.’” Judgment in such matters belongs to the Ancients of Days, the rulers of the superuniverse.

(601.5) 53:1.3 Lucifer is now the fallen and deposed Sovereign of Satania. Self-contemplation is most disastrous, even to the exalted personalities of the celestial world. Of Lucifer it was said: “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom because of your brightness.” Your olden prophet saw his sad estate when he wrote: “How are you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How are you cast down, you who dared to confuse the worlds!”

(602.1) 53:1.4 Very little was heard of Lucifer on Urantia owing to the fact that he assigned his first lieutenant, Satan, to advocate his cause on your planet. Satan was a member of the same primary group of Lanonandeks but had never functioned as a System Sovereign; he entered fully into the Lucifer insurrection. The “devil” is none other than Caligastia, the deposed Planetary Prince of Urantia and a Son of the secondary order of Lanonandeks. At the time Michael was on Urantia in the flesh, Lucifer, Satan, and Caligastia were leagued together to effect the miscarriage of his bestowal mission. But they signally failed.

(602.2) 53:1.5 Abaddon was the chief of the staff of Caligastia. He followed his master into rebellion and has ever since acted as chief executive of the Urantia rebels. Beelzebub was the leader of the disloyal midway creatures who allied themselves with the forces of the traitorous Caligastia.

(602.3) 53:1.6 The dragon eventually became the symbolic representation of all these evil personages. Upon the triumph of Michael, “Gabriel came down from Salvington and bound the dragon (all the rebel leaders) for an age.” Of the Jerusem seraphic rebels it is written: “And the angels who kept not their first estate but left their own habitation, he has reserved in sure chains of darkness to the judgment of the great day.”

The rebels were striped of power 2,000 years ago while Michael was on earth just prior to the baptism. All's that is left is the damage done to our world, the ideas of rebellion against God, Atheism and sin. They were taken to a detention planet and put on trial. They will be destroyed if they haven’t already been. [as time is reckoned on the headquarters world where Michael resides, he has only been gone from earth a couple of weeks]

Some angels and other beings repented and sought forgiveness. They will go on to rehabilitation and service but the rebel leaders never repented.

Colter

January 16, 2014 at 2:20 pm#367424

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Colter.

Very interesting to read,but not to be taken seriously.
Too much politicking in the universe.
The bible is about humans on earth being processed
Spiritually to be made as the sons of God in a spirit body.
Men being put through the mill of pain and sufferings.
And doing good rather than evil.
To be obedient to the creator.
We will be God's treasure.All evil will be of the past.

wakeup.

January 16, 2014 at 4:44 pm#367430