Christians not embracing the end time

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Colter.

William s. sadler is a **Necromancer**
Spirit channelling.
I can show you many of those on utube,
all with a message,and books written.

Its time to wake up.

Leviticus 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 20:6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

Leviticus 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

Deuteronomy 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

wakeup.

January 10, 2014 at 12:08 pm#366904

Participant

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2014,13:59)

Colter.

William s. sadler is a **Necromancer**
Spirit channelling.
I can show you many of those on utube,
all with a message,and books written.

Its time to wake up.

Leviticus 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

Deuteronomy 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

wakeup.

That's exactly what your Jewish friends said about Jesus, his mother even thought he was insane. They also set out to stone him following the primitive law. The OT experts rejected and murdered Jesus.

You are what us known as a moral coward Wakeup, a chicken. You desperately hide behind the scripture even when you know how outrageous and unjust the Leviticus laws are today.

“Although religious experience is a purely spiritual subjective phenomenon, such an experience embraces a positive and living faith attitude toward the highest realms of universe objective reality. The ideal of religious philosophy is such a faith-trust as would lead man unqualifiedly to depend upon the absolute love of the infinite Father of the universe of universes. Such a genuine religious experience far transcends the philosophic objectification of idealistic desire; it actually takes salvation for granted and concerns itself only with learning and doing the will of the Father in Paradise. The earmarks of such a religion are: faith in a supreme Deity, hope of eternal survival, and love, especially of one’s fellows.

When theology masters religion, religion dies; it becomes a doctrine instead of a life. The mission of theology is merely to facilitate the self-consciousness of personal spiritual experience. Theology constitutes the religious effort to define, clarify, expound, and justify the experiential claims of religion, which, in the last analysis, can be validated only by living faith. In the higher philosophy of the universe, wisdom, like reason, becomes allied to faith. Reason, wisdom, and faith are man’s highest human attainments. Reason introduces man to the world of facts, to things; wisdom introduces him to a world of truth, to relationships; faith initiates him into a world of divinity, spiritual experience.”

January 10, 2014 at 2:45 pm#366905

Participant

Colter.

your UB papers came from one of these
familiar spirits. Please watch,and learn.
One can be easily deceived.

January 10, 2014 at 4:48 pm#366913

from http://www.innvista.com/culture/religion/bible/contraot.htm

Participant

Looks like the same tricky spirits from your closet wrote the errors of the Bible:

101 CONTRADICTIONS—Old Testament

Old Testament

1. Man was created equal, male and female. Gen.1:27.
Woman was created as a companion to the man only after he rejected the animals. Gen.2:18-24.

Man was created after the plants. Gen.1:12, 26.
Man was created before the plants. Gen.2:5-9.
The birds were created out of the water. Gen.1:20.
The birds were created out of the land. Gen.2:19.
The animals were created before man. Gen.1:24-26.
The animals were created after man. Gen.2:19.
On the first day, God created and separated light and darkness. Gen.1:3-5.
On the fourth day, God again created and separated light and darkness. Gen.1:14-18.
God encouraged reproduction. Gen.1:28.
He said it was an unclean process. Lev.12:1-8 (Note that bearing a daughter is more unclean than bearing a son).
God was pleased with his creation. Gen.1:31.
God was not pleased with his creation. Gen.6:6.
Adam was to die the day he ate the forbidden fruit. Gen.2:17.
Adam lived 930 years. Gen.5:5.
The name of “The Lord” was known in the beginning. Gen.4:26; Gen.12:8; Gen.22:14; Gen.26:25.
The name of “The Lord” was not known in the beginning. Ex.6:3.
God preferred Abel's offering to Cain's. Gen.4:4, 5.
God shows no partiality. 2 Chr.19:7; 2 Sam.14:14.
God asks Cain the whereabouts of his brother. Gen.4:9.
God goes to see what is happening. Gen.18:20, 21.
God is everywhere and sees everything. Prov.15:3; Jer.16:17; Jer.23:24.
It rained on the earth. Gen.7:4.
There was rain from above and below. Gen.8:2.
Two pairs of each kind were to be taken aboard Noah's ark. Gen.6:19, 20; Gen.7:9, 14-16.
Two pairs and seven pairs of some kinds were to be taken aboard. Gen.7:2, 3.
Noah entered the ark during the Flood. Gen.7:7.
Noah entered the ark after the Flood. Gen.7:12, 13.
There were many languages before the tower at Babel. Gen.10:5, 20, 31.
There was only one language before the tower at Babel. Gen.11:1.
Abraham married his half-sister and was blessed. Gen.11:29; Gen.17:15,16; Gen.20:11,12.
Incest is wrong. Deut.27:22; Lev. 18:9; Lev. 20:17.
Abraham made a covenant with Abimelech and Phichol. Gen.21:22, 27, 32.
It was Isaac who made the covenant with Abimelech and Phichol. Gen.26:26-28.
Hebron was the name at the time of Abraham. Gen.23:2.
Hebron was named differently. Josh.14:15.
Jacob's name was changed at Peniel. Gen.32:28-30.
Jacob's name was changed at Padanaram. Gen.35:9,10.
Isaac's servants dug a well at Beer-shebah. Gen.26:32, 33.
Abraham dug a well at Beer-shebah. Gen.21:29-31.
Esau married two Hittite women. Gen.26:34.
Esau married three Canaanite women. Gen.36:2, 3.
Bashemath was a daughter of Elon the Hittite. Gen.26:34.
Bashemath was a daughter of Ishmael. Gen.36:3.
Luz was renamed Beth-el. Gen.28:19.
Luz was a different place than Beth-el. Josh.16:2.
God renamed Jacob and called him Israel. Gen.35:10.
God forgot the new name. Gen.46:2.
Eliphaz had six sons. Gen.36:11,12.
Eliphaz had seven sons. Gen.36:15,16. Eliphaz had seven different sons. 1 Chr.1:36.
Dan had one son. Gen.46:23.
Amazingly, this one son produced over 62,000 military-age males by the first census. Num.1:38,39.
Moses married a Midianite. Ex.3:1.
Moses married an Ethiopian. Num.12:1.
All the beasts died in plague number six. Ex.9:6.
All the beasts received boils in plague number seven. Ex.9:10.
All the beasts were hit with hail and fire in plague number eight. Ex.9:25.
All the beasts lost their firstborn in plague number ten. Ex.12:29.
All the plant life was destroyed by hail. Ex.9:25.
All the plant life was destroyed by locusts. Ex.10:15.
God instructs the Israelites to spoil the Egyptians and plunder their enemies. Ex.3:22; Deut.20:13-17.
God prohibits stealing or defrauding a neighbor. Lev.19:11,13.
Moses' father-in-law proposed the idea of judges for the people. Ex.18:17, 24.
Moses proposed the idea of judges for the people. Deut.1:9-18.
Jethro was the name of Moses' father-in-law. Ex.3:1.
Ruel was the name of Moses' father-in-law. Ex.2:18.
Raguel was the name of Moses' father-in-law. Num.10:29.
Hobab was the name of Moses' father-in-law. Jud.4:11.
The priests were with Moses at Mount Sinai. Ex.19:22, 24.
Moses appointed the first priests later in the wilderness. Ex.28:1.
Moses was great. Ex.11:3.
Moses was meek. Numbers 12:3.
Moses was the only allowed near God. Ex.24:2.
Moses was not the only one allowed. Ex.24:9-11.
Moses condemned the making of an idol. Ex.32:19, 20.
Moses made an idol. Num.21:9; 2 Ki.18:4.
The commandments were memorably given at the beginning of the wilderness trek. Ex. 19 and 20.
The people appeared not to remember later in the wilderness. Lev.24:12; Num.15:34.
Moses told the people they would pass over the Jordan that day. Deut.9:1.
It was Joshua who took them over much later. Josh.1:1, 2.
The number of Israelites, excluding children, was 600,000. Ex.12:37.
The number of Israelites, including children, was only 7000. 1 Ki.20:15.
Manna tasted like coriander seed and honey. Ex.16:31.
Manna tasted like fresh oil. Num.11:8.
The Sabbath Day was to remember creation. Ex.20:11; Ex. 31:17.
The Sabbath Day was to remember the sojourn in Egypt. Deut.5:15.
God details sacrificial offerings. Ex.20:24; Ex.29:10-42; Lev.1:1-17; Num.28:1-31.
God says he did not order sacrifices. Jer.7:22.
The Book of Jasher was written at the time of Joshua. Josh.10:13.
The Book of Jasher was written at the time of David. 2 Sam.1:17,18.
The Israelites were a numerous and mighty people. Ex.1:8, 9.
The Israelites were few in number. Deut.7:7.
The Israelites had plenty of water to wash their clothes for purification. Ex.19:10.
The Israelites had no water and rioted for a drink. Ex.15:22-24.
God was with the people. Ex.3:12.
God was not with the people. Ex.33:3.
Aaron died on Mt. Hor. Num.20:27, 28; 33:38,39.
Aaron died at Mosera. Deut.10:6.
After Aaron's death, the people journeyed from Mt. Hor to Zalmonah to Punon etc. Num.33:41, 42.
After Aaron's death, the people journeyed from Mosera to Gudgodah to Jotbath. Deut.10:6, 7.
The Canaanites were utterly destroyed. Num.21:3.
The Canaanites were left to trouble the Israelites for years. Jud.3:1,2.
Stones were taken out of the Jordan River. Josh.4:3.
Stones were placed in the Jordan River. Josh.4:9.
The Nazarite vow is broken if one goes near a dead body. Numb.6:6-9.
Sampson, a Nazarite, apparently did not break this vow. Jud.13:5; 15:8,15,16; 16:17.
Samuel ministered to the “Lord”. 1 Sam.3:1.
Samuel did not know the “Lord”. 1 Sam.3:7.
David killed Goliath. 1 Sam.17:49,50.
Elhanan killed Goliath. 2 Sam.21:19-21. (Notice that the phrase “the brother of” has been added).
“God” caused David to number the people. 2 Sam.24:1.
“Satan” caused David to number the people. 1 Chr.21:1.
Saul utterly destroyed the Amalekites. 1 Sam.15:20.
David utterly destroyed the Amalekites. 1 Sam.27:8, 9.
David destroyed the Amalekites – again – almost. 1 Sam.30:1,17,18.
God chose Saul to save the people from the Philistines. 1 Sam.9:15-17.
Saul dies and the Philistines overrun the Israelites. 1 Sam.31:6, 7.
God chose Saul. 1 Sam.9:16.
God repents for choosing Saul. 1 Sam.15:35.
God doesn't need to repent. Num. 23:19.
Saul inquired of God but received no answer. 1 Sam.28:6.
Saul died for not inquiring. 1 Chr.10:13, 14.
Saul killed himself. 1 Sam.31:4; 1 Chr. 10:4, 5.
Someone killed Saul. 2 Sam.1:5-10.
The Philistines killed Saul. 2 Sam.21:12.
God killed Saul. 1 Chr.10:13,14.
Jesse had eight sons. 1 Sam.16:10, 11; 1 Sam.17:12.
Jesse had seven sons. 1 Chr.2:13-15.
Saul knew David before the encounter with Goliath. 1 Sam.16:19.
Saul did not know David until after the encounter with Goliath. 1 Sam.17:55-58.
Michal was childless. 2 Sam.6:23.
Michal had five sons. 2 Sam.21:8.
David sinned in taking the census. 2 Sam.24:10,25.
David's only sin, ever, was another matter. 1 Ki.15:5.
David paid 50 pieces of silver for the property. 2 Sam.24:24.
David paid 600 pieces of gold for the property. 1 Chr.21:25.
His name was Solomon. 2 Sam.12:24; 1 Chr.22:9.
His name was Jedidiah. 2 Sam.12:25.
Solomon had 40,000 stalls of horses. 1 Ki.4:26.
Solomon had 4,000 stalls of horses. 2 Chr.9:25.
Solomon had 3300 supervisors. 1 Ki.5:16.
Solomon had 3600 supervisors. 2 Chr.2:2.
Solomon's “molten sea” held 2000 “baths”. 1 Ki.7:26.
Solomon's “molten sea” held 3000 “baths”. 2 Chr.4:5.
Solomon had thousands of horses. 1 Ki.4:26.
A King must not multiply horses to himself. Deut.17:15,16.
Solomon had hundreds of wives. 1 Ki.11:1-3.
A King must not multiply wives to himself. Deut.17:17.
There was no greater king before or after Hezekiah. 2 Ki.18:1, 5.
There was no greater king before or after Josiah. 2 Ki.23:24, 25.
Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he began to reign. 2 Ki.8:26.
Ahaziah succeeded his father, who was thirty-two years old when he became king and who ruled for eight years. 2 Chr.21;20.
He was forty-two years old when he began to reign. 2 Chr.22:2. (Note that some versions have caught the error and corrected it.)
God prohibits the making of idols. Ex.20:4; Deut.5:8, 9.
God commands idols to be made. Ex.25:18; Num.21:8, 9.
Children are to suffer for their parent's sins. Ex.20:5; Ex.34:7; Num.14:18; Deut.5:9; Is.14:21.
Children are not to suffer for their parent's sins. Deut.24:16; Ezek.18:19,20.
God prohibits the killing of the innocent. Ex.23:7.
God approves the killing of the innocent. Num.31:17; Josh.6:21; Josh.7:24-26; Josh.8:22-25; Josh.10:20, 40; Josh.11:15; 1 Sam.15:3.
God inflicts sickness. Num.11:33; 2 Chr.21:14, 15.
Satan inflicts sickness. Job 2:7.
Death to a false prophet. Deut.18:20.
Death also to a real prophet deceived by “God”. Ezek.14:9.
God remembers sin even when it has been forgiven. Ex.34:7.
God does not remember sin after it has been forgiven. Jer.31:34.
God promised the land to the people. Ex.12:25.
God broke his promise. Num.14:30, 31.
Sisera was sleeping when Jael killed him. Jud.4:21.
Sisera was standing and apparently, allowed Jael to kill him. Jud.5:25-27.
Joshua captured Debir. Josh.10:38,39.
Othniel captured Debir. Jud.1:11-13.
God sows discord. Gen.11:7-9.
God hates those who cause discord. Prov.6:16-19.
The census count was: Israel 800,000 and Judah 500,000. 2 Sam.24:9.
The census count was: Israel 1,100,000 and Judah 470,000. 1 Chr.21:5.
The two pillars were 18 cubits high. 1 Ki.7:15.
The two pillars were 35 cubits high. 2 Chr.3:15.
420 talents of gold were brought back from Ophir. 1 Ki.9:28.
450 talents of gold were brought back from Ophir. 2 Chr.8:18.
Asa removed the high places. 2 Chr.14:2, 3.
Asa did not remove the high places. 1 Ki.15:14.
Baasha died in the 26tth year of King Asa's reign. 1 Ki.16:6-8.
Baasha built a city in the 36th year of King Asa's reign. 2 Chr.16:1.
Jehoshaphat did not remove the high places. 1 Ki.22:42, 43.
Jehoshaphat did remove the high places. 2 Chr.17:5, 6.
Jehu's massacre was acceptable to God. 2 Ki.10:30.
Jehu's massacre was not acceptable to God. Hos.1:4.
Jehu shot Ahaziah near Ibleam. Ahaziah then fled to Meggido and died there. 2 Ki.9:27.
Ahaziah was found hiding in Samaria, brought to Jehu, and was then put to death. 2 Chr.22:9.
Ahaz was not conquered. 2 Ki.165.
Ahaz was conquered. 2 Chr.28:5.
Jehoiachin was 18 years old when he began to reign. 2 Ki.24:8.
Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign. 2 Chr.36:9. (Some versions have corrected this)
Jehoiachin reigned 3 months. 2 Ki.24:8.
Jehoiachin reigned 3 months and 10 days. 2 Chr.36:9.
Jehoiachin was succeeded by his uncle. 2 Ki.24:17.
Jehoiachin was succeeded by his brother. 2 Chr.36:10.
The father of Zerubbabel was Pedaiah. 1 Chr.3:19.
The father of Zerubbabel was Shealtiel. Ezr.3:2.
God is near to all who call on him. Ps.145:18.
God is far away and cannot be found in times of need. Ps.10:1.
God sometimes forsakes his children. Ps.22:1, 2.
God is always a present help. Ps.46:1.
The righteous shall rejoice when he sees vengeance. Ps.58:10, 11.
Do not rejoice when your enemy falls or stumbles. Prov.24:17.
God stands to judge. Is.3:13.
God sits to judge. Joel 3:12.
Zedekiah watched his sons be put to death, then he had his eyes put out, and was left to die in prison. Jer.52:10, 11.
God promised Zedekiah a peaceful death. Jer.34:4, 5.
Omri reigned 12 years beginning in the 31st year of Asa's reign. 1 Ki.16:23.
Omri died and his son began his reign in the 38th year of Asa's reign, making Omri's reign only 7-years. 1 Ki.16:28, 29.

January 10, 2014 at 9:51 pm#366933

Participant

Colter.

It only proves that you
have no spiritual understanding.
What can one expect;since you have indulged
yourself in the UB papers. That is the cause of the lack
of decerning sciptures.

The papers are the fruits of deceiving spirits.
Teaching that we are all of the same consciousness.
All things depends on ones self,just need to concentrate
and tap into the right energy.
And we are many,all of the one energy.

Yea; who is that energy? You need to get straight with the Lord Colter. No heart feelings.

wakeup.

January 11, 2014 at 12:16 pm#366966

Participant

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2014,07:51)

Colter.

It only proves that you
have no spiritual understanding.
What can one expect;since you have indulged
yourself in the UB papers. That is the cause of the lack
of decerning sciptures.

Yea; who is that energy? You need to get straight with the Lord Colter. No heart feelings.

wakeup.

It proves that you are as dishonest as ever and too proud to see the cracks in your Bible idol. All bible worshipers claim “special understand” is needed to understand the BS!

I’m not afraid of the imaginary things that frighten you.

Colter

January 11, 2014 at 1:31 pm#366970

Participant

Quote (Colter @ Jan. 11 2014,22:16)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2014,07:51)

Colter.

It only proves that you
have no spiritual understanding.
What can one expect;since you have indulged
yourself in the UB papers. That is the cause of the lack
of decerning sciptures.

Yea; who is that energy? You need to get straight with the Lord Colter. No heart feelings.

wakeup.

It proves that you are as dishonest as ever and too proud to see the cracks in your Bible idol. All bible worshipers claim “special understand” is needed to understand the BS!

I’m not afraid of the imaginary things that frighten you.

Colter

Colter.

That is proof that the Jesus of the bible is not
your Jesus.
You are worshipping another jesus.

1 Corinthians 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

wakeup.

January 11, 2014 at 11:27 pm#367023

Participant

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2014,23:31)

Quote (Colter @ Jan. 11 2014,22:16)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2014,07:51)

Colter.

It only proves that you
have no spiritual understanding.
What can one expect;since you have indulged
yourself in the UB papers. That is the cause of the lack
of decerning sciptures.

Yea; who is that energy? You need to get straight with the Lord Colter. No heart feelings.

wakeup.

It proves that you are as dishonest as ever and too proud to see the cracks in your Bible idol. All bible worshipers claim “special understand” is needed to understand the BS!

I’m not afraid of the imaginary things that frighten you.

Colter

Colter.

That is proof that the Jesus of the bible is not
your Jesus.
You are worshipping another jesus.

1 Corinthians 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

wakeup.

There you go lying again or just ignorant of the teachings of Jesus for he said “he who is not against us is with us”

Seems like you have the wrong Jesus. LOL!

Caino

January 12, 2014 at 2:54 am#367052

Participant

Quote (Colter @ Jan. 12 2014,09:27)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2014,23:31)

Quote (Colter @ Jan. 11 2014,22:16)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2014,07:51)

Colter.

It only proves that you
have no spiritual understanding.
What can one expect;since you have indulged
yourself in the UB papers. That is the cause of the lack
of decerning sciptures.

Yea; who is that energy? You need to get straight with the Lord Colter. No heart feelings.

wakeup.

It proves that you are as dishonest as ever and too proud to see the cracks in your Bible idol. All bible worshipers claim “special understand” is needed to understand the BS!

I’m not afraid of the imaginary things that frighten you.

Colter

Colter.

That is proof that the Jesus of the bible is not
your Jesus.
You are worshipping another jesus.

1 Corinthians 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

wakeup.

There you go lying again or just ignorant of the teachings of Jesus for he said “he who is not against us is with us”

Seems like you have the wrong Jesus. LOL!

Caino

Colter.

But can't you see, you are not for the Jesus of nazaterth; the one that was crucified.
But for a Jesus created by the UB, and is the fruit of familiar spirits.

wakeup.

January 12, 2014 at 3:21 am#367058

Participant

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2014,12:54)

Quote (Colter @ Jan. 12 2014,09:27)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2014,23:31)

Quote (Colter @ Jan. 11 2014,22:16)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2014,07:51)

Colter.

It only proves that you
have no spiritual understanding.
What can one expect;since you have indulged
yourself in the UB papers. That is the cause of the lack
of decerning sciptures.

Yea; who is that energy? You need to get straight with the Lord Colter. No heart feelings.

wakeup.

It proves that you are as dishonest as ever and too proud to see the cracks in your Bible idol. All bible worshipers claim “special understand” is needed to understand the BS!

I’m not afraid of the imaginary things that frighten you.

Colter

Colter.

That is proof that the Jesus of the bible is not
your Jesus.
You are worshipping another jesus.

1 Corinthians 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

wakeup.

There you go lying again or just ignorant of the teachings of Jesus for he said “he who is not against us is with us”

Seems like you have the wrong Jesus. LOL!

Caino

Colter.

But can't you see, you are not for the Jesus of nazaterth; the one that was crucified.
But for a Jesus created by the UB, and is the fruit of familiar spirits.

wakeup.

There is only one Jesus, the Son of God. I trust him. He authorized his entire life story to be revealed in the 5th epochal revelation. He knows me and I know him.

Your fears and confusion about a Satan God and demonic forces are silly.

Colter

January 12, 2014 at 9:18 am#367077

2besee

Participant

Quote (Colter @ Jan. 11 2014,04:48)

Looks like the same tricky spirits from your closet wrote the errors of the Bible:

101 CONTRADICTIONS—Old Testament

from http://www.innvista.com/culture/religion/bible/contraot.htm

Old Testament

1. Man was created equal, male and female. Gen.1:27.
Woman was created as a companion to the man only after he rejected the animals. Gen.2:18-24.

Man was created after the plants. Gen.1:12, 26.
Man was created before the plants. Gen.2:5-9.
The birds were created out of the water. Gen.1:20.
The birds were created out of the land. Gen.2:19.
The animals were created before man. Gen.1:24-26.
The animals were created after man. Gen.2:19.
On the first day, God created and separated light and darkness. Gen.1:3-5.
On the fourth day, God again created and separated light and darkness. Gen.1:14-18.
God encouraged reproduction. Gen.1:28.
He said it was an unclean process. Lev.12:1-8 (Note that bearing a daughter is more unclean than bearing a son).
God was pleased with his creation. Gen.1:31.
God was not pleased with his creation. Gen.6:6.
Adam was to die the day he ate the forbidden fruit. Gen.2:17.
Adam lived 930 years. Gen.5:5.
The name of “The Lord” was known in the beginning. Gen.4:26; Gen.12:8; Gen.22:14; Gen.26:25.
The name of “The Lord” was not known in the beginning. Ex.6:3.
God preferred Abel's offering to Cain's. Gen.4:4, 5.
God shows no partiality. 2 Chr.19:7; 2 Sam.14:14.
God asks Cain the whereabouts of his brother. Gen.4:9.
God goes to see what is happening. Gen.18:20, 21.
God is everywhere and sees everything. Prov.15:3; Jer.16:17; Jer.23:24.
It rained on the earth. Gen.7:4.
There was rain from above and below. Gen.8:2.
Two pairs of each kind were to be taken aboard Noah's ark. Gen.6:19, 20; Gen.7:9, 14-16.
Two pairs and seven pairs of some kinds were to be taken aboard. Gen.7:2, 3.
Noah entered the ark during the Flood. Gen.7:7.
Noah entered the ark after the Flood. Gen.7:12, 13.
There were many languages before the tower at Babel. Gen.10:5, 20, 31.
There was only one language before the tower at Babel. Gen.11:1.
Abraham married his half-sister and was blessed. Gen.11:29; Gen.17:15,16; Gen.20:11,12.
Incest is wrong. Deut.27:22; Lev. 18:9; Lev. 20:17.
Abraham made a covenant with Abimelech and Phichol. Gen.21:22, 27, 32.
It was Isaac who made the covenant with Abimelech and Phichol. Gen.26:26-28.
Hebron was the name at the time of Abraham. Gen.23:2.
Hebron was named differently. Josh.14:15.
Jacob's name was changed at Peniel. Gen.32:28-30.
Jacob's name was changed at Padanaram. Gen.35:9,10.
Isaac's servants dug a well at Beer-shebah. Gen.26:32, 33.
Abraham dug a well at Beer-shebah. Gen.21:29-31.
Esau married two Hittite women. Gen.26:34.
Esau married three Canaanite women. Gen.36:2, 3.
Bashemath was a daughter of Elon the Hittite. Gen.26:34.
Bashemath was a daughter of Ishmael. Gen.36:3.
Luz was renamed Beth-el. Gen.28:19.
Luz was a different place than Beth-el. Josh.16:2.
God renamed Jacob and called him Israel. Gen.35:10.
God forgot the new name. Gen.46:2.
Eliphaz had six sons. Gen.36:11,12.
Eliphaz had seven sons. Gen.36:15,16. Eliphaz had seven different sons. 1 Chr.1:36.
Dan had one son. Gen.46:23.
Amazingly, this one son produced over 62,000 military-age males by the first census. Num.1:38,39.
Moses married a Midianite. Ex.3:1.
Moses married an Ethiopian. Num.12:1.
All the beasts died in plague number six. Ex.9:6.
All the beasts received boils in plague number seven. Ex.9:10.
All the beasts were hit with hail and fire in plague number eight. Ex.9:25.
All the beasts lost their firstborn in plague number ten. Ex.12:29.
All the plant life was destroyed by hail. Ex.9:25.
All the plant life was destroyed by locusts. Ex.10:15.
God instructs the Israelites to spoil the Egyptians and plunder their enemies. Ex.3:22; Deut.20:13-17.
God prohibits stealing or defrauding a neighbor. Lev.19:11,13.
Moses' father-in-law proposed the idea of judges for the people. Ex.18:17, 24.
Moses proposed the idea of judges for the people. Deut.1:9-18.
Jethro was the name of Moses' father-in-law. Ex.3:1.
Ruel was the name of Moses' father-in-law. Ex.2:18.
Raguel was the name of Moses' father-in-law. Num.10:29.
Hobab was the name of Moses' father-in-law. Jud.4:11.
The priests were with Moses at Mount Sinai. Ex.19:22, 24.
Moses appointed the first priests later in the wilderness. Ex.28:1.
Moses was great. Ex.11:3.
Moses was meek. Numbers 12:3.
Moses was the only allowed near God. Ex.24:2.
Moses was not the only one allowed. Ex.24:9-11.
Moses condemned the making of an idol. Ex.32:19, 20.
Moses made an idol. Num.21:9; 2 Ki.18:4.
The commandments were memorably given at the beginning of the wilderness trek. Ex. 19 and 20.
The people appeared not to remember later in the wilderness. Lev.24:12; Num.15:34.
Moses told the people they would pass over the Jordan that day. Deut.9:1.
It was Joshua who took them over much later. Josh.1:1, 2.
The number of Israelites, excluding children, was 600,000. Ex.12:37.
The number of Israelites, including children, was only 7000. 1 Ki.20:15.
Manna tasted like coriander seed and honey. Ex.16:31.
Manna tasted like fresh oil. Num.11:8.
The Sabbath Day was to remember creation. Ex.20:11; Ex. 31:17.
The Sabbath Day was to remember the sojourn in Egypt. Deut.5:15.
God details sacrificial offerings. Ex.20:24; Ex.29:10-42; Lev.1:1-17; Num.28:1-31.
God says he did not order sacrifices. Jer.7:22.
The Book of Jasher was written at the time of Joshua. Josh.10:13.
The Book of Jasher was written at the time of David. 2 Sam.1:17,18.
The Israelites were a numerous and mighty people. Ex.1:8, 9.
The Israelites were few in number. Deut.7:7.
The Israelites had plenty of water to wash their clothes for purification. Ex.19:10.
The Israelites had no water and rioted for a drink. Ex.15:22-24.
God was with the people. Ex.3:12.
God was not with the people. Ex.33:3.
Aaron died on Mt. Hor. Num.20:27, 28; 33:38,39.
Aaron died at Mosera. Deut.10:6.
After Aaron's death, the people journeyed from Mt. Hor to Zalmonah to Punon etc. Num.33:41, 42.
After Aaron's death, the people journeyed from Mosera to Gudgodah to Jotbath. Deut.10:6, 7.
The Canaanites were utterly destroyed. Num.21:3.
The Canaanites were left to trouble the Israelites for years. Jud.3:1,2.
Stones were taken out of the Jordan River. Josh.4:3.
Stones were placed in the Jordan River. Josh.4:9.
The Nazarite vow is broken if one goes near a dead body. Numb.6:6-9.
Sampson, a Nazarite, apparently did not break this vow. Jud.13:5; 15:8,15,16; 16:17.
Samuel ministered to the “Lord”. 1 Sam.3:1.
Samuel did not know the “Lord”. 1 Sam.3:7.
David killed Goliath. 1 Sam.17:49,50.
Elhanan killed Goliath. 2 Sam.21:19-21. (Notice that the phrase “the brother of” has been added).
“God” caused David to number the people. 2 Sam.24:1.
“Satan” caused David to number the people. 1 Chr.21:1.
Saul utterly destroyed the Amalekites. 1 Sam.15:20.
David utterly destroyed the Amalekites. 1 Sam.27:8, 9.
David destroyed the Amalekites – again – almost. 1 Sam.30:1,17,18.
God chose Saul to save the people from the Philistines. 1 Sam.9:15-17.
Saul dies and the Philistines overrun the Israelites. 1 Sam.31:6, 7.
God chose Saul. 1 Sam.9:16.
God repents for choosing Saul. 1 Sam.15:35.
God doesn't need to repent. Num. 23:19.
Saul inquired of God but received no answer. 1 Sam.28:6.
Saul died for not inquiring. 1 Chr.10:13, 14.
Saul
killed himself. 1 Sam.31:4; 1 Chr. 10:4, 5.
Someone killed Saul. 2 Sam.1:5-10.
The Philistines killed Saul. 2 Sam.21:12.
God killed Saul. 1 Chr.10:13,14.
Jesse had eight sons. 1 Sam.16:10, 11; 1 Sam.17:12.
Jesse had seven sons. 1 Chr.2:13-15.
Saul knew David before the encounter with Goliath. 1 Sam.16:19.
Saul did not know David until after the encounter with Goliath. 1 Sam.17:55-58.
Michal was childless. 2 Sam.6:23.
Michal had five sons. 2 Sam.21:8.
David sinned in taking the census. 2 Sam.24:10,25.
David's only sin, ever, was another matter. 1 Ki.15:5.
David paid 50 pieces of silver for the property. 2 Sam.24:24.
David paid 600 pieces of gold for the property. 1 Chr.21:25.
His name was Solomon. 2 Sam.12:24; 1 Chr.22:9.
His name was Jedidiah. 2 Sam.12:25.
Solomon had 40,000 stalls of horses. 1 Ki.4:26.
Solomon had 4,000 stalls of horses. 2 Chr.9:25.
Solomon had 3300 supervisors. 1 Ki.5:16.
Solomon had 3600 supervisors. 2 Chr.2:2.
Solomon's “molten sea” held 2000 “baths”. 1 Ki.7:26.
Solomon's “molten sea” held 3000 “baths”. 2 Chr.4:5.
Solomon had thousands of horses. 1 Ki.4:26.
A King must not multiply horses to himself. Deut.17:15,16.
Solomon had hundreds of wives. 1 Ki.11:1-3.
A King must not multiply wives to himself. Deut.17:17.
There was no greater king before or after Hezekiah. 2 Ki.18:1, 5.
There was no greater king before or after Josiah. 2 Ki.23:24, 25.
Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he began to reign. 2 Ki.8:26.
Ahaziah succeeded his father, who was thirty-two years old when he became king and who ruled for eight years. 2 Chr.21;20.
He was forty-two years old when he began to reign. 2 Chr.22:2. (Note that some versions have caught the error and corrected it.)
God prohibits the making of idols. Ex.20:4; Deut.5:8, 9.
God commands idols to be made. Ex.25:18; Num.21:8, 9.
Children are to suffer for their parent's sins. Ex.20:5; Ex.34:7; Num.14:18; Deut.5:9; Is.14:21.
Children are not to suffer for their parent's sins. Deut.24:16; Ezek.18:19,20.
God prohibits the killing of the innocent. Ex.23:7.
God approves the killing of the innocent. Num.31:17; Josh.6:21; Josh.7:24-26; Josh.8:22-25; Josh.10:20, 40; Josh.11:15; 1 Sam.15:3.
God inflicts sickness. Num.11:33; 2 Chr.21:14, 15.
Satan inflicts sickness. Job 2:7.
Death to a false prophet. Deut.18:20.
Death also to a real prophet deceived by “God”. Ezek.14:9.
God remembers sin even when it has been forgiven. Ex.34:7.
God does not remember sin after it has been forgiven. Jer.31:34.
God promised the land to the people. Ex.12:25.
God broke his promise. Num.14:30, 31.
Sisera was sleeping when Jael killed him. Jud.4:21.
Sisera was standing and apparently, allowed Jael to kill him. Jud.5:25-27.
Joshua captured Debir. Josh.10:38,39.
Othniel captured Debir. Jud.1:11-13.
God sows discord. Gen.11:7-9.
God hates those who cause discord. Prov.6:16-19.
The census count was: Israel 800,000 and Judah 500,000. 2 Sam.24:9.
The census count was: Israel 1,100,000 and Judah 470,000. 1 Chr.21:5.
The two pillars were 18 cubits high. 1 Ki.7:15.
The two pillars were 35 cubits high. 2 Chr.3:15.
420 talents of gold were brought back from Ophir. 1 Ki.9:28.
450 talents of gold were brought back from Ophir. 2 Chr.8:18.
Asa removed the high places. 2 Chr.14:2, 3.
Asa did not remove the high places. 1 Ki.15:14.
Baasha died in the 26tth year of King Asa's reign. 1 Ki.16:6-8.
Baasha built a city in the 36th year of King Asa's reign. 2 Chr.16:1.
Jehoshaphat did not remove the high places. 1 Ki.22:42, 43.
Jehoshaphat did remove the high places. 2 Chr.17:5, 6.
Jehu's massacre was acceptable to God. 2 Ki.10:30.
Jehu's massacre was not acceptable to God. Hos.1:4.
Jehu shot Ahaziah near Ibleam. Ahaziah then fled to Meggido and died there. 2 Ki.9:27.
Ahaziah was found hiding in Samaria, brought to Jehu, and was then put to death. 2 Chr.22:9.
Ahaz was not conquered. 2 Ki.165.
Ahaz was conquered. 2 Chr.28:5.
Jehoiachin was 18 years old when he began to reign. 2 Ki.24:8.
Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign. 2 Chr.36:9. (Some versions have corrected this)
Jehoiachin reigned 3 months. 2 Ki.24:8.
Jehoiachin reigned 3 months and 10 days. 2 Chr.36:9.
Jehoiachin was succeeded by his uncle. 2 Ki.24:17.
Jehoiachin was succeeded by his brother. 2 Chr.36:10.
The father of Zerubbabel was Pedaiah. 1 Chr.3:19.
The father of Zerubbabel was Shealtiel. Ezr.3:2.
God is near to all who call on him. Ps.145:18.
God is far away and cannot be found in times of need. Ps.10:1.
God sometimes forsakes his children. Ps.22:1, 2.
God is always a present help. Ps.46:1.
The righteous shall rejoice when he sees vengeance. Ps.58:10, 11.
Do not rejoice when your enemy falls or stumbles. Prov.24:17.
God stands to judge. Is.3:13.
God sits to judge. Joel 3:12.
Zedekiah watched his sons be put to death, then he had his eyes put out, and was left to die in prison. Jer.52:10, 11.
God promised Zedekiah a peaceful death. Jer.34:4, 5.
Omri reigned 12 years beginning in the 31st year of Asa's reign. 1 Ki.16:23.
Omri died and his son began his reign in the 38th year of Asa's reign, making Omri's reign only 7-years. 1 Ki.16:28, 29.

I was the closest to God when I did not know much about the Bible. All I knew, was when God led me to certain verses, and I felt God was speaking to me through the words. I felt like a child with God, then, reliant on Him.

Recently, I read the Bible for the first time from beginning to end. I gained insight into the stories in the Bible, but… er… I think it has helped me. But closeness to God is in the spirit, which is to me deep peacefulness, (rather than knowledge).

Knowledge puffs up, love edifies.

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Colter.

It only proves that you
have no spiritual understanding.
What can one expect;since you have indulged
yourself in the UB papers. That is the cause of the lack
of decerning sciptures.

Yea; who is that energy? You need to get straight with the Lord Colter. No heart feelings.

wakeup.

It proves that you are as dishonest as ever and too proud to see the cracks in your Bible idol. All bible worshipers claim “special understand” is needed to understand the BS!

I’m not afraid of the imaginary things that frighten you.

Colter

Colter.

That is proof that the Jesus of the bible is not
your Jesus.
You are worshipping another jesus.

1 Corinthians 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

wakeup.

There you go lying again or just ignorant of the teachings of Jesus for he said “he who is not against us is with us”

Seems like you have the wrong Jesus. LOL!

Caino

Colter.

But can't you see, you are not for the Jesus of nazaterth; the one that was crucified.
But for a Jesus created by the UB, and is the fruit of familiar spirits.

wakeup.

There is only one Jesus, the Son of God. I trust him. He authorized his entire life story to be revealed in the 5th epochal revelation. He knows me and I know him.

Your fears and confusion about a Satan God and demonic forces are silly.

Colter

Colter.

Somehow that jesus you worship is not HIM that shed his blood for our sins.
He is not the same Jeus that said this:

John 16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

He was burried for 3 days, 3nights. He was not with them.
Then he was resurrected and they saw Him again.

He is not the same Jesus that said this to Mary:
Dont touch me;for I have not ascended to my Father.

Colter. Mormons believe in Jesus.
Jw's believe in Jesus.
The ch. of scientology believe in Jesus.
Islam believe in Jesus.
The Sda church blieve in Jesus.
The UB believe in Jesus.
Budhists believe in Jesus.
Satan believes in Jesus.
The legion of spirits believe in Jesus.
The krishna's believe in Jesus.
Ophrah believe in Jesus.
The world leaders believe in Jesus.
BUT NOT THE JESUS THAT DIED ON THE CROSS FOR OUR SINS. THE JESUS THAT SAID: FATHER ;FORGIVE THEM;FOR THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY DO.

Please consider.

wakeup.

January 13, 2014 at 7:59 am#367150

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What I am saying is why be concerned about it since it will occur regardless of what you study or think and regarding those who have a lack of knowledge isn't the message of the Gospel all you need to share? Endless speculation does nothing to focus the mind on loving and living a life of Christian devotion and in fact all you call enemies should be loved according to your own belief. You don't have to demonize others all the time to convert, teach or preach.

It should suffice that Jesus was sent by God that whomever shall believe in him shall not perish but have eternal life, and this is regardless of trials, tribulations, antichrists, false prophets…etc

Romans 8:39
nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

This is what you should focus on Jesus said

Matthew 24:23-25

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before.

A person can only be deceived if they focus on signs and wonders such as when the world will end and who is who, that how a magician fools his audience he gets them to pay attention to one thing while doing another but you should give the magician audience at all keeping your eye focused on the Prize

Philippians 3:13-15

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

God Bless!

You are correct in most of what you say. Thanks for the heads up. However, if one is not aware of what is happening, then they are liable to be deceived. Most of the world will be deceived. This is very confusing times we are living in.

There will be no deception at all because Jesus already explained:

Mark 13:21
And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:

So how can you be deceived even if miracle after miracle is performed you could never believe in an anti-christ if you keep the word of JESUS CHRIST.

Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Jesus is telling you clearly to ignore the signs and wonders they will only lead to seduction.

Loving the least of these is the only sign and wonder you will ever need and it is in fact loving Christ and His GOD

Boditharta.

Is this warning not telling us when He is coming?
Matthew 24:15
***When ye therefore shall see the abomination of
desolation***,
***spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy
place***, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Matthew 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

Matthew 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

wakeup.

You would have to assume that the warning was outside the context of his own time, in other words that he was saying that then so 2000 years later we would heed that advice.

Now, the point is you would have to guess what this abomination is or perhaps in that day you already knew exactly what he was referring to but speculation is not the answer.

When you see what you consider the abomination of desolation what will you do? And if you have already identified it what are you doing? Are you fleeing what are you doing that would correspon to that advice?

Now, Jesus didn't say the part (whoso readeth, let him understand:) because he wasn't writing it so the person writing it understood it to be of some consequence during their own life time.

Trust that love, Faith and Righteousness is all you need to win the battle you are fighting.

Boditharta.

This is the reason; one should know the prophesies.

Daniel 12:1 ***And at that time shall Michael stand up***, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people:
***and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was
since there was a nation even to that same time***:
(JESUS WORDS IN MATT.24)(END TIME PROPHECY).
and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found *written in the book*.

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

(THIS IS THE RESURRECTION).

Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

( THE ONES WITH KNOWLEDGE SHALL SHINE AS THE
BRIGHTNESS OF THE FIRMAMENT) (AND MANY THAT HAVE
TURNED THEIR BROTHERS TO GOD WILL BE LIKE THE
STARS).

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, ***even to the time of the end***:
many shall run to and fro, ***and knowledge shall be
increased***.

Daniel 12:5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.

Daniel 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, ***times, and an half***; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
(REV.11 THE HOLY CITY SHALL THEY TREAD UNDER FOOT
FOR 42 MONTHS). (3/HALF YRS).

Daniel 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: ***and none of the wicked shall understand***; ***but the wise shall
understand***.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away,

***and the abomination that maketh desolate **set up***, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
(3/HALF TIMES; 42 MONTHS; 1290 DAYS).

Daniel 12:12 ***Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand ***three hundred and five and thirty days***.

Daniel 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

AS YOU CAN SEE,THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION WILL BE *SET UP* IN THE LAST DAYS.IT WILL ONLY STAND IN THE HOLY PLACE FOR 3/HALF YRS,1290 DAYS.
WAIT UNTILL THE 1335 DAYS.THEN THE COMING.

wakeup

Hasn't the daily sacrifice already been taken away before? Most importantly don't you believe that Jesus was the perfect sacrifice so for Christians there have been no daily sacrifice for 2000 years which far exceeds 1290 days.

What I am saying is there have been terrible terrible times World War 1 World War 2 and even the Civil War for Americans no time has been worse than the civil war or in Europe during the plague the majority of the people died there has never been a worse time for them and on it goes these times would have seen like the end of the world for those experiencing it and it was in fact the end of their world.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Say to My servants that they should (only) say those things that are best: for Satan doth sow dissensions among them: For Satan is to man an avowed enemy.

( سورة الإسراء , Al-Isra, Chapter #17, Verse #53)

The Highest position is to Praise God not in trying to know the hour because the Hour is unknown so the only right way to prepare is to practice Godly attributes such as Love, thoughtfulness and care. When you are always looking far ahead you may miss what is right in front of you.

Matthew 6:34
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

The issue I am taking up with you is to avoid watching illusions because this is how magic works, the person looks at what appears to be obvious but the depth of a trick can be designed in unimaginable ways just like a magic show.

“Throw that which is in thy right hand: Quickly will it swallow up that which they have faked what they have faked is but a magician's trick: and the magician thrives not, (no matter) where he goes.”

( سورة طه , Taha, Chapter #20, Verse #69)

Likewise God is always in control, so praise God.

Allah sets forth the Parable (of two men: one) a slave under the dominion of another; He has no power of any sort; and (the other) a man on whom We have bestowed goodly favours from Ourselves, and he spends thereof (freely), privately and publicly: are the two equal? (By no means;) praise be to Allah. But most of them understand not.

( سورة النحل , An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #75)

You are not a slave to sin so there is no need to look for an escape for you are free so spread the GOOD NEWS

2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

January 13, 2014 at 8:17 am#367152

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Colter.

It only proves that you
have no spiritual understanding.
What can one expect;since you have indulged
yourself in the UB papers. That is the cause of the lack
of decerning sciptures.

Yea; who is that energy? You need to get straight with the Lord Colter. No heart feelings.

wakeup.

It proves that you are as dishonest as ever and too proud to see the cracks in your Bible idol. All bible worshipers claim “special understand” is needed to understand the BS!

I’m not afraid of the imaginary things that frighten you.

Colter

You see what I mean? This is all the work of the devil:

Say to My servants that they should (only) say those things that are best: for Satan doth sow dissensions among them: For Satan is to man an avowed enemy.

( سورة الإسراء , Al-Isra, Chapter #17, Verse #53)

For instance we can discuss scriptures and reason:

Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

You do not have to attack the understanding of others because obviously you are trying to raise their awareness and increase their faith but if you destroy them how will it help? No need to destroy them destroy the argument and if you cannot destroy the argument think and pray of ways to communicate more effectively because essentially it will be your heart and spirit that gets through to any person.

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Colter.

As there are bad urantia followers so are also bad christians.
We are not discussing people but doctrine.
Your new doctrine is compiled by *antichrists jews*.
(kabalah followers for sure).
And you have swallowed it, and have enjoyed the taste.
The time will come that you will have to vomit it all out.

wakeup.

Wakup,

Today its Kabalah followers, yesterday its was demons, before that it was a bipolar God who created evil in Satan and something about eating flesh, who knows what fruit cake doctrine you will come up with tomorrow. Your theology is inconsistent and unattractive.

I have no doctrine, I have belief and it grows. Doctrine is evil; it's a creation of controlling religious institutions. (none of you on this forum seem to agree on the same doctrine anyway).

Colter

Colter.

You seem to ignore the fact that those writers of the UB,
are antichrists jews. And you are supporting them.
But also sort of praising Christ at the same time.
That only makes you a harlot.
It is time to put down those books and come to Christ's Words only.

Let me reapeat it. Those jews are the same that crucified Christ. Do you hear me?

wakeup.

Wakup,
You seem to be more of a liar than ever, the Urantia revelation teaches that the Son of God is “Christ.”

So in addition to being an idiot (because you haven’t read the UB), you bare false witness, you are a liar.

The topic here is the “end times” a teaching that is the result of the false teachings about the Messiah and the failure of Jesus to do what the scripture said he would do.

Christians are stuck on the false hope of an end times, eventually these people will die off and the UB will replace the conflicted, discredited Catholic Bible book.

Colter

Colter.

And so does ISLAM teach Jesus, and Mary,and Abraham, and Moses.

wakeup.

No, you are wrong, Islam does not teach Jesus is the Son of God. You need to think more before you respond.

Colter

The “son of God” is a concept it is just not LITERAL. Literally God created Jesus. God did not mate with Mary therefore the term “son” can only apply in a metaphorical or adoptive way and this is in complete alignment with biblical scripture when God says:

2 Corinthians 6:17-18

King James Version (KJV)

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

And again concerning Jesus:

Hebrews 1:5
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

When you see the words “will be” you see clearly this is an adoptive relatioship and it is applied throughout the bible even though Hebrews 1:5 asks the question “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? ” The Bible clearly even has angels being called “sons of God”

Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

So Islam is not trying to downgrade or take away who Christ Jesus is, it is only clarifying that GOD ALONE is the creator and he does not need progeny nor does he mate or have a spouse, those are human traits.

To say that God has a son in the truest sense would be beneath HIS Glory. This does not diminish Jesus in the least for Jesus himself calls “our Father” The Only true God which would mean Jesus cannot be a true God in any way. Jesus doesn't need to be the son of God to be great he is THE CHRIST and that is what the Jews were waiting for.

So in Islam it is more appropriate to cal God your Guardian Lord because God is a Spirit and is not a man or a woman like we are constructed. God doesn't have a gender and calling someone HIS son or daughter implies that God has genitals and has sex so from that point you should be able to see why it is repulsive to think of God that way

Say: If the Beneficent Allah has a son, I am the foremost of those who serve.

( سورة الزخرف , Az-Zukhruf, Chapter #43, Verse #81)

O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)

In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is christ the son of Mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things.”

( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #17)

January 13, 2014 at 10:38 am#367161

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Boditharta.

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THE SACRIFICE *FOR ALL* HAS BEEN PERFORMED AT THE CROSS. NO NEED FOR ANIMAL SACRIFICES.
WE CHRISTIANS SACRIFICE DAILY, BY NOT TOUCHING THE UNCLEAN THING; THE LUST OF THE FLESH.

RE' THE 1290 DAYS IS ANOTHER SUBLECT.

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TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NEED TO READ MATT.24,AND THE PROPHESIES.
THE LAST WAR WILL DESTROY ALL FLESH,ANIMALS INCLUDED. BUT FOR THE ELECT SAKE IT WILL BE SHORTENED.BABYLON WILL BE DESTROYED.
ALL THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS WILL BE NO MORE.

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1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Say to My servants that they should (only) say those things that are best: for Satan doth sow dissensions among them: For Satan is to man an avowed enemy.

SATAN IS AS A ROARING LION,AND HE HAS CREATED MANY RELIGIONS. ALL CLAIMING TO BE GOOD.
AND HE ALSO HAS INFILTRATED THE CHURCHES,
ALL TEACHING GOOD,BUT CONTRADICTING THE TRUTH.
AND HAVE PUT THEM ASLEEP,LIKE THE FIVE VIRGINS THAT FELL ASLEEP. THIS IS WHAT SATAN WANTS.
WE NEED TO WORK HARD TO PREPARE OUR ARK,THAT IS GOING TO SAVE US FROM THE TRIBULATIONTO COME.
THAT ARK IS KNOWLEDGE IN CHHRIST.

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ALL MUSLEMS CONTINUESLY PRAISE ALLAH DAILY.
ARE THEY SAVED?

THE PROPHESIES ARE THERE TO GIVE US KNOWLEDGE.
IT IS THERE TO GIVE US UNDERSTANDING REGARDING SATAN'S PLAN IN THIS WORLD. AND WE NEED TO KNOW HIS PLAN SO WE WON'T BE DECEIVED.WHICH MANY WILL BE,BECAUSE OF LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.

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Matthew 6:34
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

THAT IS SPEAKING OF OUR DAILY NEEDS,AND PERSONAL PROBLEMS.

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THAT IS NOT WHAT KNOWLEDGE IS.
SCRIPTURE NEEDS TO BE COMPARED WITH SCRIPTURES.
THERE CAN BE NO INTERPRETATIONS,CONTRADICTING
SCRIPTURES.ALL SCIPTURES NEEDS TO BE INTERPRETED IN HARMONY.

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THAT IS ENTERTAINMENT,AND SO IS THE MUSIC WORLD.
MANY SEEK AFTER SATAN TO GIVE THEM SUCCESS.
MANY IN BUSINESS DO THE SAME;ALL FOR GREED.
JESUS WAS ONCE ALSO TEMPTED,AND PROMISED THE WORLD.

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Likewise God is always in control, so praise God.

I AGREE.

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You are not a slave to sin so there is no need to look for an escape for you are free so spread the GOOD NEWS

THAT IS CONTRADICTING THE TRUTH.
WE ARE ALL SLAVES TO SIN. WE CAN NOT CONTROL THE LUST OF THE FLESH.MANY ARE SLAVES TO GREED AND WANT,AND HAVE. THIS IS THE CAUSE OF WARS AND COMPETITIONS,AND STRIFE. ONLY THE FEAR OF GOD CAN CONTROL THAT SPIRIT OF GREED,AND LUST.

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2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

THAT IS SPEAKING TO THE GOD FEARING.NOT EVERYONE.

FOR YOUR INFO. ISLAM WAS CREATED BY THE ILLUMINATI.
AND SO IS COMMUNISM.BINLADEN,ALQUAEDA,THE BROTHER HOOD,ARAB SPRING.
GO CHECK IT OUT.

wakeup.

January 13, 2014 at 11:46 am#367163

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Knowledge puffs up, love edifies.

Hi 2besee,

Nice, heart felt post. I agree. When I first read the OT I was stunned at how messed up it is, how God is portrayed compared to how he was in Jesus and is in spirit.

Keep doing what you’re doing, God can be found quite apart from the writings of Holy men. Thomas Jefferson made his own Bible by cutting out all the nonsense.

It is because Jesus wasn't quite the Messiah that the Jews were looking for that they cling to the so called “end times” belief.

Religion and the Mores

(1004.4) 92:2.1 Religion is the most rigid and unyielding of all human institutions, but it does tardily adjust to changing society. Eventually, evolutionary religion does reflect the changing mores, which, in turn, may have been affected by revealed religion. Slowly, surely, but grudgingly, does religion (worship) follow in the wake of wisdom — knowledge directed by experiential reason and illuminated by divine revelation.

(1004.5) 92:2.2 Religion clings to the mores; that which was is ancient and supposedly sacred. For this reason and no other, stone implements persisted long into the age of bronze and iron. This statement is of record: “And if you will make me an altar of stone, you shall not build it of hewn stone, for, if you use your tools in making it, you have polluted it.” Even today, the Hindus kindle their altar fires by using a primitive fire drill. In the course of evolutionary religion, novelty has always been regarded as sacrilege. The sacrament must consist, not of new and manufactured food, but of the most primitive of viands: “The flesh roasted with fire and unleavened bread served with bitter herbs.” All types of social usage and even legal procedures cling to the old forms.

(1004.6) 92:2.3 When modern man wonders at the presentation of so much in the scriptures of different religions that may be regarded as obscene, he should pause to consider that passing generations have feared to eliminate what their ancestors deemed to be holy and sacred. A great deal that one generation might look upon as obscene, preceding generations have considered a part of their accepted mores, even as approved religious rituals. A considerable amount of religious controversy has been occasioned by the never-ending attempts to reconcile olden but reprehensible practices with newly advanced reason, to find plausible theories in justification of creedal perpetuation of ancient and outworn customs.

(1004.7) 92:2.4 But it is only foolish to attempt the too sudden acceleration of religious growth. A race or nation can only assimilate from any advanced religion that which is reasonably consistent and compatible with its current evolutionary status, plus its genius for adaptation. Social, climatic, political, and economic conditions are all influential in determining the course and progress of religious evolution. Social morality is not determined by religion, that is, by evolutionary religion; rather are the forms of religion dictated by the racial morality.

(1005.1) 92:2.5 Races of men only superficially accept a strange and new religion; they actually adjust it to their mores and old ways of believing. This is well illustrated by the example of a certain New Zealand tribe whose priests, after nominally accepting Christianity, professed to have received direct revelations from Gabriel to the effect that this selfsame tribe had become the chosen people of God and directing that they be permitted freely to indulge in loose sex relations and numerous other of their olden and reprehensible customs. And immediately all of the new-made Christians went over to this new and less exacting version of Christianity.

(1005.2) 92:2.6 Religion has at one time or another sanctioned all sorts of contrary and inconsistent behavior, has at some time approved of practically all that is now regarded as immoral or sinful. Conscience, untaught by experience and unaided by reason, never has been, and never can be, a safe and unerring guide to human conduct. Conscience is not a divine voice speaking to the human soul. It is merely the sum total of the moral and ethical content of the mores of any current stage of existence; it simply represents the humanly conceived ideal of reaction in any given set of circumstances.”

Colter

January 13, 2014 at 11:53 am#367164

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Colter.

It only proves that you
have no spiritual understanding.
What can one expect;since you have indulged
yourself in the UB papers. That is the cause of the lack
of decerning sciptures.

Yea; who is that energy? You need to get straight with the Lord Colter. No heart feelings.

wakeup.

It proves that you are as dishonest as ever and too proud to see the cracks in your Bible idol. All bible worshipers claim “special understand” is needed to understand the BS!

I’m not afraid of the imaginary things that frighten you.

Colter

Colter.

That is proof that the Jesus of the bible is not
your Jesus.
You are worshipping another jesus.

1 Corinthians 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

wakeup.

There you go lying again or just ignorant of the teachings of Jesus for he said “he who is not against us is with us”

Seems like you have the wrong Jesus. LOL!

Caino

Colter.

But can't you see, you are not for the Jesus of nazaterth; the one that was crucified.
But for a Jesus created by the UB, and is the fruit of familiar spirits.

wakeup.

There is only one Jesus, the Son of God. I trust him. He authorized his entire life story to be revealed in the 5th epochal revelation. He knows me and I know him.

Your fears and confusion about a Satan God and demonic forces are silly.

Colter

Colter.

Somehow that jesus you worship is not HIM that shed his blood for our sins.
He is not the same Jeus that said this:

John 16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

He was burried for 3 days, 3nights. He was not with them.
Then he was resurrected and they saw Him again.

He is not the same Jesus that said this to Mary:
Dont touch me;for I have not ascended to my Father.

Please consider.

wakeup.

The gospel of Jesus wasn't the cross.

The cross is the new gospel that evolved after Jesus left.

The Pagan world already had a belief in divine sacrifice, so it was/is natural for them to interpret the cross as a sacrifice for sins.

Christians get their religion from the Pagans who made it.

Colter

January 13, 2014 at 12:06 pm#367165

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The Son is the Father of creation as we know it, his Father is the existential personification of the eternal and infinite I AM.

The pre-existent spirit Son incarnates as the baby that Joseph and Mary conceived. He grew in consciousness of who he truly was. He allowed his mortal body to be killed then ->he<-resurrected a likeness of his previous mortal form for man to see and talk with, and then returned to his rightful place in heaven as Lord and God. He then poured out his spirit upon all flesh; it is now present with us.

That’s not the same concept that Islam has.

Colter

January 13, 2014 at 7:45 pm#367172