Christians and muslims believe the same thing

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Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,11:16) stu Quote So are you claiming that a perfect designer would make perfect designs?  Do you think that is what we see in nature? Stuart Yes I believe that a creator is better,and it is sad to say that now men as put is mark on all living things ,and so it does not represent the true creation, Pierre How about you have a go at actually answering my question? Stuart

stu

may be you should make your question less vague
to me it is not only a design but perfect will yes in deed

Pierre

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Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,10:55) stu what we discuss is the foundation of evolution ,and so all the theories who hangs from it Pierre I don't know what you mean by the “foundation of evolution”. Evolution of what? Stuart

stu

i am afraid you have to go and see where we started

Pierre

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Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,18:34)

You have four IFs and I have two.  Science is full of care to explain that they cannot get around those, but you just arrogantly use your extra two IFs as if only “fools” would even question them. So you have lost the IFs argument, I'm afraid. Time to move on to new material, champ. Stuart

stu

do you know how many IF s you got ? hundreds

so I only have one and this is only you how says it

Pierre

[Stu]

Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,12:03)

Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,18:34) You have four IFs and I have two.  Science is full of care to explain that they cannot get around those, but you just arrogantly use your extra two IFs as if only “fools” would even question them. So you have lost the IFs argument, I'm afraid. Time to move on to new material, champ. Stuart stu do you know how many IF s you got ? hundreds so I only have one and this is only you how says it Pierre

You better start naming the “hundreds” then. I named mine as I see it.

Remember, there is no assumption in science that there are no gods. It is just that there is no evidence to support the claims some humans make of gods. And there is much evidence that leads to explanations for why humans would imagine gods to be there even when there is really no such thing.

You still have the burden of proof ahead of you, but like most christians you do not understand how meaningless the word god is when analysed properly.

Stuart

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Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,12:00)

Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,17:58) Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,10:55) stu what we discuss is the foundation of evolution ,and so all the theories who hangs from it Pierre I don't know what you mean by the “foundation of evolution”. Evolution of what? Stuart stu i am afraid you have to go and see where we started Pierre

Sorry, I don't accept your dodge.

Evolution of what, exactly?

Stuart

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Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,11:58)

stu may be you should make your question less vague to me it is not only a design but perfect will yes in deed Pierre

OK, so we are talking about a perfect design where humans should not be able to think of a better way of doing the design?

Stuart

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Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,19:08)

Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,12:03) Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,18:34) You have four IFs and I have two.  Science is full of care to explain that they cannot get around those, but you just arrogantly use your extra two IFs as if only “fools” would even question them. So you have lost the IFs argument, I'm afraid. Time to move on to new material, champ. Stuart stu do you know how many IF s you got ? hundreds so I only have one and this is only you how says it Pierre You better start naming the “hundreds” then.  I named mine as I see it.   Remember, there is no assumption in science that there are no gods.  It is just that there is no evidence to support the claims some humans make of gods.  And there is much evidence that leads to explanations for why humans would imagine gods to be there even when there is really no such thing. You still have the burden of proof ahead of you, but like most christians you do not understand how meaningless the word god is when analysed properly. Stuart

stu

it does not work that way,

i have show you in different discipline of science they also use the IF or do not know but keep making a theory,

so I have given you the prove that you have nothing but a IF

to built on.

Pierre

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Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,19:11)

Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,11:58) stu may be you should make your question less vague to me it is not only a design but perfect will yes in deed Pierre OK, so we are talking about a perfect design where humans should not be able to think of a better way of doing the design? Stuart

stu

that's the idea,but not only humans,all of the problems in the world are men s created problems,

Pierre

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Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,19:09)

Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,12:00) Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,17:58) Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,10:55) stu what we discuss is the foundation of evolution ,and so all the theories who hangs from it Pierre I don't know what you mean by the “foundation of evolution”. Evolution of what? Stuart stu i am afraid you have to go and see where we started Pierre Sorry, I don't accept your dodge. Evolution of what, exactly? Stuart

stu

the entire pyramid of evolution ,falls with IF”

[Stu]

Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,12:32)

Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,19:08) Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,12:03) Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,18:34) You have four IFs and I have two.  Science is full of care to explain that they cannot get around those, but you just arrogantly use your extra two IFs as if only “fools” would even question them. So you have lost the IFs argument, I'm afraid. Time to move on to new material, champ. Stuart stu do you know how many IF s you got ? hundreds so I only have one and this is only you how says it Pierre You better start naming the “hundreds” then.  I named mine as I see it.   Remember, there is no assumption in science that there are no gods.  It is just that there is no evidence to support the claims some humans make of gods.  And there is much evidence that leads to explanations for why humans would imagine gods to be there even when there is really no such thing. You still have the burden of proof ahead of you, but like most christians you do not understand how meaningless the word god is when analysed properly. Stuart stu it does not work that way, i have show you in different discipline of science they also use the IF or do not know but keep making a theory, so I have given you the prove that you have nothing but a IF to built on. Pierre

No, you said that abiogenesis is an area where we don't know for sure, and that was after I had said it, and there is no scientific theory of abiogenesis anyway.

You can't name scientists who you say have doubts about Big Bang cosmology, you can't list what you call “IFs” about scientific theories.

Big words, no action.

Stuart

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Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,12:38)

Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,19:09) Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,12:00) Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,17:58) Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,10:55) stu what we discuss is the foundation of evolution ,and so all the theories who hangs from it Pierre I don't know what you mean by the “foundation of evolution”. Evolution of what? Stuart stu i am afraid you have to go and see where we started Pierre Sorry, I don't accept your dodge. Evolution of what, exactly? Stuart stu the entire pyramid of evolution ,falls with IF”

Evolution of what exactly?

Stuart

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Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,12:36)

Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,19:11) Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,11:58) stu may be you should make your question less vague to me it is not only a design but perfect will yes in deed Pierre OK, so we are talking about a perfect design where humans should not be able to think of a better way of doing the design? Stuart stu that's the idea,but not only humans,all of the problems in the world are men s created problems, Pierre

Let's be clear, what exactly are you claiming was designed? You talked about anatomy, so are we discussing that or something else?

Stuart

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Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,20:26)

Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,12:36) Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,19:11) Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,11:58) stu may be you should make your question less vague to me it is not only a design but perfect will yes in deed Pierre OK, so we are talking about a perfect design where humans should not be able to think of a better way of doing the design? Stuart stu that's the idea,but not only humans,all of the problems in the world are men s created problems, Pierre Let's be clear, what exactly are you claiming was designed?  You talked about anatomy, so are we discussing that or something else? Stuart

stu

everything

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Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,13:59)

Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,20:26) Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,12:36) Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,19:11) Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,11:58) stu may be you should make your question less vague to me it is not only a design but perfect will yes in deed Pierre OK, so we are talking about a perfect design where humans should not be able to think of a better way of doing the design? Stuart stu that's the idea,but not only humans,all of the problems in the world are men s created problems, Pierre Let's be clear, what exactly are you claiming was designed?  You talked about anatomy, so are we discussing that or something else? Stuart stu everything

Was the HIV virus designed?

Stuart

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Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,20:24)

Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,12:32) Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,19:08) Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,12:03) Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,18:34) You have four IFs and I have two.  Science is full of care to explain that they cannot get around those, but you just arrogantly use your extra two IFs as if only “fools” would even question them. So you have lost the IFs argument, I'm afraid. Time to move on to new material, champ. Stuart stu do you know how many IF s you got ? hundreds so I only have one and this is only you how says it Pierre You better start naming the “hundreds” then.  I named mine as I see it.   Remember, there is no assumption in science that there are no gods.  It is just that there is no evidence to support the claims some humans make of gods.  And there is much evidence that leads to explanations for why humans would imagine gods to be there even when there is really no such thing. You still have the burden of proof ahead of you, but like most christians you do not understand how meaningless the word god is when analysed properly. Stuart stu it does not work that way, i have show you in different discipline of science they also use the IF or do not know but keep making a theory, so I have given you the prove that you have nothing but a IF to built on. Pierre No, you said that abiogenesis is an area where we don't know for sure, and that was after I had said it, and there is no scientific theory of abiogenesis anyway. You can't name scientists who you say have doubts about Big Bang cosmology, you can't list what you call “IFs” about scientific theories.   Big words, no action. Stuart

stu

it past on NOVA that some of the scientific community are putting in doubt the big bang,or if you want they start having doubts about it ,

the speaker did not give any names ,I believe they waiting until voyager reach further in space .

Pierre

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Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,14:05)

stu it past on NOVA that some of the scientific community are putting in doubt the big bang,or if you want they start having doubts about it , the speaker did not give any names ,I believe they waiting until voyager reach further in space . Pierre

So you can't name these “scientists that have doubts”.

Can you describe the cause of their doubts? What part of the theory is causing them problems? What will Voyager tell them?

The NOVA website doesn't appear to have any doubts:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/universe/historysans.html

Stuart

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Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,21:11)

Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,14:05) stu it past on NOVA that some of the scientific community are putting in doubt the big bang,or if you want they start having doubts about it , the speaker did not give any names ,I believe they waiting until voyager reach further in space . Pierre So you can't name these “scientists that have doubts”. Can you describe the cause of their doubts?  What part of the theory is causing them problems?  What will Voyager tell them? The NOVA website doesn't appear to have any doubts: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/universe/historysans.html Stuart

stu

this was last year ,but as i understand it ,they expect something

wen voyager will reach the outer ring of our galaxy and out of that circle of debris ,i think you should look at the physicist

Pierre

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stu

look what i found at the site you set me on ;

The universe began with a vast explosion that generated space and time, and XX created all XX the matter and energy in the universe. Exactly what triggered this sudden expansion remains a mystery.IF

and you talk about my scriptures ? and it seems you also believe in a creator ,right ? of cause a different one

Pierre

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Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,14:39)

Quote (Stu @ July 28 2011,21:11) Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,14:05) stu it past on NOVA that some of the scientific community are putting in doubt the big bang,or if you want they start having doubts about it , the speaker did not give any names ,I believe they waiting until voyager reach further in space . Pierre So you can't name these “scientists that have doubts”. Can you describe the cause of their doubts?  What part of the theory is causing them problems?  What will Voyager tell them? The NOVA website doesn't appear to have any doubts: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/universe/historysans.html Stuart stu this was last year ,but as i understand it ,they expect something wen voyager will reach the outer ring of our galaxy and out of that circle of debris ,i think you should look at the physicist Pierre

So, in other words, you have no idea.

Stuart

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Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,14:44)

stu look what i found at the site you set me on ; The universe began with a vast explosion that generated space and time, and   XX created all XX the matter and energy in the universe. Exactly what triggered this sudden expansion remains a mystery.IF and you talk about my scriptures ? and it seems you also believe in a creator ,right ? of cause a different one Pierre

Would you say that a bomb could be called a creator, if it creates a big hole in the ground?

Stuart

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