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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 10 2012,03:04) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 10 2012,01:21) Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 03 2012,03:06) Quote (Pastry @ Jan. 03 2012,00:49) Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 02 2012,21:41) Quote (Pastry @ Jan. 02 2012,19:13) Devolution You are like a balloon;
it takes many breath of air to fill up a balloon, but in the end all that's in it, IS AIR!
Georg
GeorgAny one can insult, that's easy.
Devolution has obviously gone to great length to explain himself, to make it clear what he means.
Are you telling me, you made sense out of that?I thought he was speaking in tongues, or some kind of code.
Georg
Yes I did.He was saying that the 10 toes are from the Roman system, which is from the Greek.
And I can connect, because I know that Greece was never conquered. When Alexander died, his empire was divided between his four generals, and later out of one of them came the Roman empire.
And the Roman empire was never conquered, but slowly dissolved, but her system is still here.
So the 10 toes will be a kind of modern “Roman System” but not that same system as back then. This one will be completely reformed and different. More powerful “Who is like the beast, who can make war with the beast?”
It will be more powerful because it will have 10 nations combined. That's 10 armies combined, same currency, same laws & same motive. That's one powerful empire. This empire hasn't come up yet, but we know that Europe is planning something now, for the EU is too big. Everybody has a say, and nothing gets done. It needs to be reformed, it's no. of members reduced so that and it will end up with 10 leaders with more power.
And the false prophet will come up shortly after this conglomerate is formed, and uproot three leaders.
So it is future. Near future. And what you are saying may make sense to you, but to me, this has not happened yet, so no history can back this.
So no need to get upset, we are only discussing. We have to nut it out.
Journey.It so clear that when you are bogged down in the mud its so hard to come out.Unless you use tools trying to come out.
They can not see that the 10 toes are the end of mans kingdom on earth.Thay just can not see that.There are many many kingdoms after Christ death.
They simply can not and will not see that.
There were also two world wars.They believe that after Christ death; his kingdom is set up on earth,and refusing to see what daniel said; that all the kingdoms will be CONSUMED,when he sets up his kingdom.
They can quote the scriptures alright but can not see,and understand.KNOWLEDGE WILL ONLY COME WHEN CHRIST STARTS RULING,
AND WE KNOW IT IS NOT NOW.
THE SHEPHERDS ARE TO BLAME.wakeup.
wuyou like to use the words CAN SEE,AND CANNOT SEE,this would mean that you see and can see RIGHT ? yes it does mean just that.
so answer me this ;how many king came after Babylon the golden head of the statue
and were do you place the last of those kingdom in the heads of the beast coming out of the sea in Revelation 13;1,
Pierre
Pierre.The beast in rev 13. that came out of the sea,have 7heads and 10 horns.
The 6 heads are now past; looking from our time:
the 7th head has a deadly wound, this is the kingdom we are in now; the feet mixed iron and clay.The feet is an extension of the 2 legs(rome)(iron)
The next beast that will come (the 10 toes) also mixed iron and clay; this is the near furure beast,which is coming from the feet.(an extension of the feet) the last beast on earth. There is no more beasts after this.(end of mans beasts).Consumed at christ coming.
This is the time when christ will set up his kingdom on earth,
after all mans kingdoms are consumed.NO MORE MANS KINGDOMS,ONLY CHRISTS KINGDOM.BAB.– MED.PERSIA,– GREECIA– ROME– THE FEET= NOW,–
THE 10 TOES IS COMING SOON,–THE END OF ALL MANS KINGDOM.THE 10 TOES(10 horns)(dan.7:11.) WILL BE SLAIN, AND HIS BODY DESTROYED, AND GIVEN TO THE BURNING FLAME.(THE END).(rev19:20.)
This has never happened to any beast in history.Do you know any?Wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 12 2012,03:54) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 10 2012,03:04) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 10 2012,01:21) Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 03 2012,03:06) Quote (Pastry @ Jan. 03 2012,00:49) Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 02 2012,21:41) Quote (Pastry @ Jan. 02 2012,19:13) Devolution You are like a balloon;
it takes many breath of air to fill up a balloon, but in the end all that's in it, IS AIR!
Georg
GeorgAny one can insult, that's easy.
Devolution has obviously gone to great length to explain himself, to make it clear what he means.
Are you telling me, you made sense out of that?I thought he was speaking in tongues, or some kind of code.
Georg
Yes I did.He was saying that the 10 toes are from the Roman system, which is from the Greek.
And I can connect, because I know that Greece was never conquered. When Alexander died, his empire was divided between his four generals, and later out of one of them came the Roman empire.
And the Roman empire was never conquered, but slowly dissolved, but her system is still here.
So the 10 toes will be a kind of modern “Roman System” but not that same system as back then. This one will be completely reformed and different. More powerful “Who is like the beast, who can make war with the beast?”
It will be more powerful because it will have 10 nations combined. That's 10 armies combined, same currency, same laws & same motive. That's one powerful empire. This empire hasn't come up yet, but we know that Europe is planning something now, for the EU is too big. Everybody has a say, and nothing gets done. It needs to be reformed, it's no. of members reduced so that and it will end up with 10 leaders with more power.
And the false prophet will come up shortly after this conglomerate is formed, and uproot three leaders.
So it is future. Near future. And what you are saying may make sense to you, but to me, this has not happened yet, so no history can back this.
So no need to get upset, we are only discussing. We have to nut it out.
Journey.It so clear that when you are bogged down in the mud its so hard to come out.Unless you use tools trying to come out.
They can not see that the 10 toes are the end of mans kingdom on earth.Thay just can not see that.There are many many kingdoms after Christ death.
They simply can not and will not see that.
There were also two world wars.They believe that after Christ death; his kingdom is set up on earth,and refusing to see what daniel said; that all the kingdoms will be CONSUMED,when he sets up his kingdom.
They can quote the scriptures alright but can not see,and understand.KNOWLEDGE WILL ONLY COME WHEN CHRIST STARTS RULING,
AND WE KNOW IT IS NOT NOW.
THE SHEPHERDS ARE TO BLAME.wakeup.
wuyou like to use the words CAN SEE,AND CANNOT SEE,this would mean that you see and can see RIGHT ? yes it does mean just that.
so answer me this ;how many king came after Babylon the golden head of the statue
and were do you place the last of those kingdom in the heads of the beast coming out of the sea in Revelation 13;1,
Pierre
Pierre.The beast in rev 13. that came out of the sea,have 7heads and 10 horns.
The 6 heads are now past; looking from our time:
the 7th head has a deadly wound, this is the kingdom we are in now; the feet mixed iron and clay.The feet is an extension of the 2 legs(rome)(iron)
The next beast that will come (the 10 toes) also mixed iron and clay; this is the near furure beast,which is coming from the feet.(an extension of the feet) the last beast on earth. There is no more beasts after this.(end of mans beasts).Consumed at christ coming.
This is the time when christ will set up his kingdom on earth,
after all mans kingdoms are consumed.NO MORE MANS KINGDOMS,ONLY CHRISTS KINGDOM.BAB.– MED.PERSIA,– GREECIA– ROME– THE FEET= NOW,–
THE 10 TOES IS COMING SOON,–THE END OF ALL MANS KINGDOM.THE 10 TOES(10 horns)(dan.7:11.) WILL BE SLAIN, AND HIS BODY DESTROYED, AND GIVEN TO THE BURNING FLAME.(THE END).(rev19:20.)
This has never happened to any beast in history.Do you know any?Wakeup.
WuYou still can t count ,the feet and the six head are the same ,no???
So Rome in the statue and the six head is also Rome right ??yes
PIerre.
This is where most have gone wrong.
LEGS–FEET–TOES–. LAST KINGDOM.
CAN YOU MENTION THE BEASTS IN DAN. CH7?
WHO IS THE LION WITH WINGS,AND THE BEAR,AND THE LEOPARD,AND THE DREADFUL BEAST WITH THE 10 HORNS?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 12 2012,06:52) PIerre. This is where most have gone wrong.
LEGS–FEET–TOES–. LAST KINGDOM.
CAN YOU MENTION THE BEASTS IN DAN. CH7?
WHO IS THE LION WITH WINGS,AND THE BEAR,AND THE LEOPARD,AND THE DREADFUL BEAST WITH THE 10 HORNS?
wakeup.
WUPDaniel 8 tells you who those kings are
as for the legs feet and foot toes = ROME
Rome is also the little horn that grew out of the four horns that came out of Greek (Alexander the great)he died and it is four of his generals that divided his kingdom,but later they fight and in time one became predominant and dominated all others,this became Rome.
but if you go in Revelation 13,the beast that comes out of the sea as seven heads ,and John says five have fallen and one is this was ROME and one is to come
so if you line up all world powers with ROME there is still one power to come so that question is now who is it
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 13 2012,14:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 12 2012,06:52) PIerre. This is where most have gone wrong.
LEGS–FEET–TOES–. LAST KINGDOM.
CAN YOU MENTION THE BEASTS IN DAN. CH7?
WHO IS THE LION WITH WINGS,AND THE BEAR,AND THE LEOPARD,AND THE DREADFUL BEAST WITH THE 10 HORNS?
wakeup.
WUPDaniel 8 tells you who those kings are
as for the legs feet and foot toes = ROME
Rome is also the little horn that grew out of the four horns that came out of Greek (Alexander the great)he died and it is four of his generals that divided his kingdom,but later they fight and in time one became predominant and dominated all others,this became Rome.
but if you go in Revelation 13,the beast that comes out of the sea as seven heads ,and John says five have fallen and one is this was ROME and one is to come
so if you line up all world powers with ROME there is still one power to come so that question is now who is it
Pierre
Hi pierre.Good question.
THE TWO LEGS=ROME(OLD ROME )
THE TWO FEET= THE NEW SYSTEM ROME=NOW.The romans occupied england for over 600yrs,then they started to slowly go down; and from that came up the british empire; and spreads all over the earth;america,canada,australia,asia,china.Even today,all speak english and like to look like holywood,even the chinese.
OUR SYSTEM OF GOV. IS BASED ON GREEK AND ROMAN. you agree? democracy is a greek system; the great church is roman catholic. you agree?
a doctor needs to know latin.
if you study horticulture,you must know latin.
in astronomy,all is named in greek or latin.
in law also greek and latin.So we are now in the 7th head; after this the 10toes; is coming. A ONE WORLD SYSTEM.This is not new;this is an old idea of satan,which he created in babel ( one system,one language,one religion one leader). And God disagree with this idea.
but this idea is still alive in his head(his idea is the bottomless pit) and he will do it again.
And we can see it now being worked out by the world.This system is going through a change very fast.
ONE PEOPLE, ONE RELIGION, ONE SYSTEM, ONE LANGUAGE(english), ONE LEADER(the falseprophet).rev.17:17.
The 10 top leaders, will agree to give their kingdom to the beast(the 2 horned beast out of the earth; rev13:11.)
at the coming, the beast will be cast in the fire and with him the false prophet.dan7:11. rev.19:20.They will give this powerfull kingdom to the false prophet to be in charge. All Gods work.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 14 2012,06:57) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 13 2012,14:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 12 2012,06:52) PIerre. This is where most have gone wrong.
LEGS–FEET–TOES–. LAST KINGDOM.
CAN YOU MENTION THE BEASTS IN DAN. CH7?
WHO IS THE LION WITH WINGS,AND THE BEAR,AND THE LEOPARD,AND THE DREADFUL BEAST WITH THE 10 HORNS?
wakeup.
WUPDaniel 8 tells you who those kings are
as for the legs feet and foot toes = ROME
Rome is also the little horn that grew out of the four horns that came out of Greek (Alexander the great)he died and it is four of his generals that divided his kingdom,but later they fight and in time one became predominant and dominated all others,this became Rome.
but if you go in Revelation 13,the beast that comes out of the sea as seven heads ,and John says five have fallen and one is this was ROME and one is to come
so if you line up all world powers with ROME there is still one power to come so that question is now who is it
Pierre
Hi pierre.Good question.
THE TWO LEGS=ROME(OLD ROME )
THE TWO FEET= THE NEW SYSTEM ROME=NOW.The romans occupied england for over 600yrs,then they started to slowly go down; and from that came up the british empire; and spreads all over the earth;america,canada,australia,asia,china.Even today,all speak english and like to look like holywood,even the chinese.
OUR SYSTEM OF GOV. IS BASED ON GREEK AND ROMAN. you agree? democracy is a greek system; the great church is roman catholic. you agree?
a doctor needs to know latin.
if you study horticulture,you must know latin.
in astronomy,all is named in greek or latin.
in law also greek and latin.So we are now in the 7th head; after this the 10toes; is coming. A ONE WORLD SYSTEM.This is not new;this is an old idea of satan,which he created in babel ( one system,one language,one religion one leader). And God disagree with this idea.
but this idea is still alive in his head(his idea is the bottomless pit) and he will do it again.
And we can see it now being worked out by the world.This system is going through a change very fast.
ONE PEOPLE, ONE RELIGION, ONE SYSTEM, ONE LANGUAGE(english), ONE LEADER(the falseprophet).rev.17:17.
The 10 top leaders, will agree to give their kingdom to the beast(the 2 horned beast out of the earth; rev13:11.)
at the coming, the beast will be cast in the fire and with him the false prophet.dan7:11. rev.19:20.They will give this powerfull kingdom to the false prophet to be in charge. All Gods work.
wakeup.
wupno ,Rome is gone,long time ago,you should read more carefully what scriptures says.
Da 8:22 The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power.
Da 8:23 “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise.
Da 8:24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men and the holy people.
Da 8:25 He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.see the Roman empire was not destroyed by war ,but was just taken over from locals powers ,(history)
and breaking up scriptures to make your story fit is not the true way to go.
wen you quoting scriptures this does not mean you have understood them
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 14 2012,04:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 14 2012,06:57) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 13 2012,14:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 12 2012,06:52) PIerre. This is where most have gone wrong.
LEGS–FEET–TOES–. LAST KINGDOM.
CAN YOU MENTION THE BEASTS IN DAN. CH7?
WHO IS THE LION WITH WINGS,AND THE BEAR,AND THE LEOPARD,AND THE DREADFUL BEAST WITH THE 10 HORNS?
wakeup.
WUPDaniel 8 tells you who those kings are
as for the legs feet and foot toes = ROME
Rome is also the little horn that grew out of the four horns that came out of Greek (Alexander the great)he died and it is four of his generals that divided his kingdom,but later they fight and in time one became predominant and dominated all others,this became Rome.
but if you go in Revelation 13,the beast that comes out of the sea as seven heads ,and John says five have fallen and one is this was ROME and one is to come
so if you line up all world powers with ROME there is still one power to come so that question is now who is it
Pierre
Hi pierre.Good question.
THE TWO LEGS=ROME(OLD ROME )
THE TWO FEET= THE NEW SYSTEM ROME=NOW.The romans occupied england for over 600yrs,then they started to slowly go down; and from that came up the british empire; and spreads all over the earth;america,canada,australia,asia,china.Even today,all speak english and like to look like holywood,even the chinese.
OUR SYSTEM OF GOV. IS BASED ON GREEK AND ROMAN. you agree? democracy is a greek system; the great church is roman catholic. you agree?
a doctor needs to know latin.
if you study horticulture,you must know latin.
in astronomy,all is named in greek or latin.
in law also greek and latin.So we are now in the 7th head; after this the 10toes; is coming. A ONE WORLD SYSTEM.This is not new;this is an old idea of satan,which he created in babel ( one system,one language,one religion one leader). And God disagree with this idea.
but this idea is still alive in his head(his idea is the bottomless pit) and he will do it again.
And we can see it now being worked out by the world.This system is going through a change very fast.
ONE PEOPLE, ONE RELIGION, ONE SYSTEM, ONE LANGUAGE(english), ONE LEADER(the falseprophet).rev.17:17.
The 10 top leaders, will agree to give their kingdom to the beast(the 2 horned beast out of the earth; rev13:11.)
at the coming, the beast will be cast in the fire and with him the false prophet.dan7:11. rev.19:20.They will give this powerfull kingdom to the false prophet to be in charge. All Gods work.
wakeup.
wupno ,Rome is gone,long time ago,you should read more carefully what scriptures says.
Da 8:22 The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power.
Da 8:23 “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise.
Da 8:24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men and the holy people.
Da 8:25 He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.see the Roman empire was not destroyed by war ,but was just taken over from locals powers ,(history)
and breaking up scriptures to make your story fit is not the true way to go.
wen you quoting scriptures this does not mean you have understood them
Pierre.I agree with you that any one can jot down scriptures and make it fit; but if it is not true; at the end it will get bogged down; and then everything will get worse and worse,and start to twist the words of the scriptures.
You must notice that this little horn and the beast slain and his body destroyed,and given to THE BURNING FLAME.(lake of fire.) dan.7:11. This only means that the beast is the same
beast of rev. 19:20. And the beast was taken and with him the false prophet(2 horned beast) that wrought miracles before him(the beast out of the sea)with the 10 horns.Both were cast into the fire.
The dreadful beast in dan7:7 = the wounded beast in rev.13.
with the 10 horns; then an other beast came out of the earth.(little horn in dan 7:8.) that came out after the 10horns.alexanders kingdom was devided into four. king ptolemy,(egypt). Seleucus(israel,babylon,part of asia minor.)
Lysimachus,(macedonia). cassander.(greece).Then it became two roman empires,west and east(2 legs)
the east is king constantine,he became the strongest, this is when the roman church started.His city was constantinopel.The western roman is taken by the eastern roman.
then the romans in england must go back home to rome. and the arrabs took over the midle east and spain. Then england is coming up and became the british empire, and it is still today consisting of many english speaking nations;this is now the 7th beast.the 8th is coming soon.the little horn is coming soon after.wakeup.
Wup
Da 7:8 “While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth that spoke boastfully.
dan.7:11
the little horn in both verses is the same horn,please read it slowly it is Greece and becomes Rome later ,
Quote The western roman is taken by the eastern roman.
then the romans in england must go back home to rome. and the arrabs took over the midle east and spain. Then england is coming up and became the british empire, and it is still today consisting of many english speaking nations;this is now the 7th beast.the 8th is coming soon.the little horn is coming soon after.this is out of my grasp, can not help you ;this to me does not make sens ,
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 13 2012,23:57) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 13 2012,14:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 12 2012,06:52) PIerre. This is where most have gone wrong.
LEGS–FEET–TOES–. LAST KINGDOM.
CAN YOU MENTION THE BEASTS IN DAN. CH7?
WHO IS THE LION WITH WINGS,AND THE BEAR,AND THE LEOPARD,AND THE DREADFUL BEAST WITH THE 10 HORNS?
wakeup.
WUPDaniel 8 tells you who those kings are
as for the legs feet and foot toes = ROME
Rome is also the little horn that grew out of the four horns that came out of Greek (Alexander the great)he died and it is four of his generals that divided his kingdom,but later they fight and in time one became predominant and dominated all others,this became Rome.
but if you go in Revelation 13,the beast that comes out of the sea as seven heads ,and John says five have fallen and one is this was ROME and one is to come
so if you line up all world powers with ROME there is still one power to come so that question is now who is it
Pierre
Hi pierre.Good question.
THE TWO LEGS=ROME(OLD ROME )
THE TWO FEET= THE NEW SYSTEM ROME=NOW.The romans occupied england for over 600yrs,then they started to slowly go down; and from that came up the british empire; and spreads all over the earth;america,canada,australia,asia,china.Even today,all speak english and like to look like holywood,even the chinese.
OUR SYSTEM OF GOV. IS BASED ON GREEK AND ROMAN. you agree? democracy is a greek system; the great church is roman catholic. you agree?
a doctor needs to know latin.
if you study horticulture,you must know latin.
in astronomy,all is named in greek or latin.
in law also greek and latin.So we are now in the 7th head; after this the 10toes; is coming. A ONE WORLD SYSTEM.This is not new;this is an old idea of satan,which he created in babel ( one system,one language,one religion one leader). And God disagree with this idea.
but this idea is still alive in his head(his idea is the bottomless pit) and he will do it again.
And we can see it now being worked out by the world.This system is going through a change very fast.
ONE PEOPLE, ONE RELIGION, ONE SYSTEM, ONE LANGUAGE(english), ONE LEADER(the falseprophet).rev.17:17.
The 10 top leaders, will agree to give their kingdom to the beast(the 2 horned beast out of the earth; rev13:11.)
at the coming, the beast will be cast in the fire and with him the false prophet.dan7:11. rev.19:20.They will give this powerfull kingdom to the false prophet to be in charge. All Gods work.
wakeup.
The Romans occupied England for over 600 years?Would you like to tell me from when to when?
When it comes to history, you better pass.
If we are now in the seventh head; when did it start? it was only to last a short time.
How do dream up this stuff?
Georg
Quote (Pastry @ Feb. 14 2012,14:09) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 13 2012,23:57) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 13 2012,14:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 12 2012,06:52) PIerre. This is where most have gone wrong.
LEGS–FEET–TOES–. LAST KINGDOM.
CAN YOU MENTION THE BEASTS IN DAN. CH7?
WHO IS THE LION WITH WINGS,AND THE BEAR,AND THE LEOPARD,AND THE DREADFUL BEAST WITH THE 10 HORNS?
wakeup.
WUPDaniel 8 tells you who those kings are
as for the legs feet and foot toes = ROME
Rome is also the little horn that grew out of the four horns that came out of Greek (Alexander the great)he died and it is four of his generals that divided his kingdom,but later they fight and in time one became predominant and dominated all others,this became Rome.
but if you go in Revelation 13,the beast that comes out of the sea as seven heads ,and John says five have fallen and one is this was ROME and one is to come
so if you line up all world powers with ROME there is still one power to come so that question is now who is it
Pierre
Hi pierre.Good question.
THE TWO LEGS=ROME(OLD ROME )
THE TWO FEET= THE NEW SYSTEM ROME=NOW.The romans occupied england for over 600yrs,then they started to slowly go down; and from that came up the british empire; and spreads all over the earth;america,canada,australia,asia,china.Even today,all speak english and like to look like holywood,even the chinese.
OUR SYSTEM OF GOV. IS BASED ON GREEK AND ROMAN. you agree? democracy is a greek system; the great church is roman catholic. you agree?
a doctor needs to know latin.
if you study horticulture,you must know latin.
in astronomy,all is named in greek or latin.
in law also greek and latin.So we are now in the 7th head; after this the 10toes; is coming. A ONE WORLD SYSTEM.This is not new;this is an old idea of satan,which he created in babel ( one system,one language,one religion one leader). And God disagree with this idea.
but this idea is still alive in his head(his idea is the bottomless pit) and he will do it again.
And we can see it now being worked out by the world.This system is going through a change very fast.
ONE PEOPLE, ONE RELIGION, ONE SYSTEM, ONE LANGUAGE(english), ONE LEADER(the falseprophet).rev.17:17.
The 10 top leaders, will agree to give their kingdom to the beast(the 2 horned beast out of the earth; rev13:11.)
at the coming, the beast will be cast in the fire and with him the false prophet.dan7:11. rev.19:20.They will give this powerfull kingdom to the false prophet to be in charge. All Gods work.
wakeup.
The Romans occupied England for over 600 years?Would you like to tell me from when to when?
When it comes to history, you better pass.
If we are now in the seventh head; when did it start? it was only to last a short time.
How do dream up this stuff?
Georg
Pastry.yes over 600 yrs,but I cant tell you the dates.
It is not the 7th head that is going to last a short time;but the 8th and last head,which is coming out of the 7th.
The false prophet(little horn) will come up after the 10 kings have set up the nwo. One power system,one language,one religion,one people, one leader. Just as the days of nimrod.
And when he declares himself God; he will ban all religions.
For all must worship him as God.He has the power because he has all people numbered,and controled.
I am not a dreamer.
wakeup.
Wakeup
You better wake up, because you are dreaming.
Here is a short history lesson:
Julius Caesar attempted two invasion of England; one in 55 BC, the other in 54 BC, both failed.
Not until 43 AD, was a successful invasion lounged.
Their occupation lasted till 410 AD; hardly close to “over” 600 years.
Here is another refresher.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
I hope you are not to poor to “pay” attention.
NOTICE!!! five are fallen, meaning, they are come and gone.
One “is”, meaning, the present ruler, Rome, # 6.And the “other”, meaning # 7, is not yet come; but “when” he comes, # 7 that is, he must continue a short space, that means “time”.
Now again, borrow if you have to, but “pay” attention.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
“The beast that was”; what do you think that is referring to?
A “WORLD” ruling beast/government; Rome and all the beasts before, the 5 that are fallen, were “WORLD” ruling governments.“And is not”; after Rome fell, there was “no more” world ruling governments.
“Even he”; who is “HE”? a world ruling government.
“Is the eighth”; now here is were you have to “pay”, attention that is;
“AND IS OF THE SEVEN”; who was the seventh? what happened to the “seventh”?
Why does it say,”the eighth is “OF” the seven?
Try to be serious this time when you answer, if you want to be taken serious.
Georg
Quote (Pastry @ Feb. 15 2012,01:28) Wakeup You better wake up, because you are dreaming.
Here is a short history lesson:
Julius Caesar attempted two invasion of England; one in 55 BC, the other in 54 BC, both failed.
Not until 43 AD, was a successful invasion lounged.
Their occupation lasted till 410 AD; hardly close to “over” 600 years.
Here is another refresher.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
I hope you are not to poor to “pay” attention.
NOTICE!!! five are fallen, meaning, they are come and gone.
One “is”, meaning, the present ruler, Rome, # 6.And the “other”, meaning # 7, is not yet come; but “when” he comes, # 7 that is, he must continue a short space, that means “time”.
Now again, borrow if you have to, but “pay” attention.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
“The beast that was”; what do you think that is referring to?
A “WORLD” ruling beast/government; Rome and all the beasts before, the 5 that are fallen, were “WORLD” ruling governments.“And is not”; after Rome fell, there was “no more” world ruling governments.
“Even he”; who is “HE”? a world ruling government.
“Is the eighth”; now here is were you have to “pay”, attention that is;
“AND IS OF THE SEVEN”; who was the seventh? what happened to the “seventh”?
Why does it say,”the eighth is “OF” the seven?
Try to be serious this time when you answer, if you want to be taken serious.
Georg
Pastry.WHO IS THE EIGHT? GEORG?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2012,02:22) Pastry. WAS ROME THEN A WORLD RULING GOVERNMENT?
wakeup.
Yes, they ruled over 47 countries.Georg
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2012,02:09) Quote (Pastry @ Feb. 15 2012,01:28) Wakeup You better wake up, because you are dreaming.
Here is a short history lesson:
Julius Caesar attempted two invasion of England; one in 55 BC, the other in 54 BC, both failed.
Not until 43 AD, was a successful invasion lounged.
Their occupation lasted till 410 AD; hardly close to “over” 600 years.
Here is another refresher.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
I hope you are not to poor to “pay” attention.
NOTICE!!! five are fallen, meaning, they are come and gone.
One “is”, meaning, the present ruler, Rome, # 6.And the “other”, meaning # 7, is not yet come; but “when” he comes, # 7 that is, he must continue a short space, that means “time”.
Now again, borrow if you have to, but “pay” attention.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
“The beast that was”; what do you think that is referring to?
A “WORLD” ruling beast/government; Rome and all the beasts before, the 5 that are fallen, were “WORLD” ruling governments.“And is not”; after Rome fell, there was “no more” world ruling governments.
“Even he”; who is “HE”? a world ruling government.
“Is the eighth”; now here is were you have to “pay”, attention that is;
“AND IS OF THE SEVEN”; who was the seventh? what happened to the “seventh”?
Why does it say,”the eighth is “OF” the seven?
Try to be serious this time when you answer, if you want to be taken serious.
Georg
Pastry.WHO IS THE EIGHT? GEORG?
wakeup.
No, I'm not the eight!Don't you care to know who was the seventh first?
You don't care to respond to what I say, why is that?
Georg
Georg.
My questions to you.
1. rev17:12. the 10 kings; HAVE RECEIVED NO KINGDOM YET:BUT RECEIVE POWER AS KINGS ONE HOUR WITH THE BEAST. John received this informatin in about 70ad.
So in 70 ad. these kings were not;the kingdom did not exist??2. The 10 horned beast in rev 13. that is wounded to death,must be here at the coming; because Christ is going to cast him in the lake of fire.rev.19:20.
I am listening; so can you clarify all this??
wakeup.
Wakeup
John received the revelation toward the “end” of the first Century; I would say closer to 90 AD.
How can the “ten” kings receive power “”AS”” kings, for one hour, meaning very short time?
If they received power “”AS”” kings, that means, they did not actually rule them selves.
And you are right, they did not exist in the first Century; they came into existence in 1918.
So here is a question for you;
How can you rule “AS” a king, but not really being king?The beast in Rev. 13 is Rome; the seven heads represent the seven empires of the bible.
Now, which head, representing which kingdom, was wounded to death?Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
“seven kings” or seven heads. “Five are fallen”, come and gone, who were they?
head # 5, Greek empire,
head # 4, Medo – Persian empire,
head # 3, Babylonian empire,
head # 2, Assyrian empire,
head # 1, Egyptian empire.“And one is”, that was Rome.
So how do you figure out which head/empire received the deadly wound?
It could not be one of the five that had fallen, it would have been pointless to even mention it to John.
It could not be head # 7, because he was made up of “ten” kings.
That leaves us with head # 6, Rome.
How was the wound inflicted, and when?
By the barbarian kingdom Heruli, in 476 AD, they deposed the Roman emperor Romulus Augustus, and took over Italy as their kingdom.
How was the deadly wound healed, and when?
In 553 AD, when Justinian through his general Belisarius recaptured Italy, and made it part of the Roman empire again.You mentioned the ten horns on the beast in Rev. 13; did you noticed, they all have crowns on them.
Now look at the beast in Rev. 17; do you see any crowns on those ten horns? why do you think that is?Why is it that you resist of pasting scriptures that you refer to?
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
The beast in this scripture are “ALL” man made governments.
And the false prophet are “ALL” man made religion.
Casting them into, notice, “A” lake of fire, means, they will all be done away with when Christ begins to reign.Georg
Quote (Pastry @ Feb. 15 2012,02:34)
Don't you care to know who was the seventh first?You don't care to respond to what I say, why is that?
Georg
Hi Georg,This seems to be the pattern with him… he doesn't answer the questions I ask him either. (Link)
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Pastry @ Feb. 16 2012,06:36) “seven kings” or seven heads. “Five are fallen”, come and gone, who were they? head # 5, Greek empire,
head # 4, Medo – Persian empire,
head # 3, Babylonian empire,
head # 2, Assyrian empire,
head # 1, Egyptian empire.“And one is”, that was Rome.
Hi Georg and Wakeup,And the seventh was ‘the Ottoman Empire’. (and they are all now Muslim)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 16 2012,06:50) Quote (Pastry @ Feb. 16 2012,06:36) “seven kings” or seven heads. “Five are fallen”, come and gone, who were they? head # 5, Greek empire,
head # 4, Medo – Persian empire,
head # 3, Babylonian empire,
head # 2, Assyrian empire,
head # 1, Egyptian empire.“And one is”, that was Rome.
Hi Georg and Wakeup,And the seventh was ‘the Ottoman Empire’. (and they are all now Muslim)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
You can't be serious 
Did the Ottoman empire lasted for just a short time?
And what did come out of the Ottoman empire, I mean, who is the eighth that came out of the seven?
Georg
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