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[Devolution]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2011,17:49)

devol. Quote I did say previously that God described the 10 horns and told us that they were ten kings, and kings rule KINGDOMS. So ten horns are 10 kings…10 toes=TEN kingdoms   ;;;So tell me, how on earth is that false? you still say what is not written 10 toes = ten kingdom —this is not what scriptures says ,this is why i showed the scriptures ; your statement is not true , Pierre

Hello Pierre,

Why do i say the 10 toes are the ten kingdoms that join together? The same FUTURE ten kingdoms that the false prophet emerges to rule over…

Okay….

The statue of Daniel.
This statue represents kingdoms, Daniel is clear on this….

*Babylon
*Media-Persia
*Rome

Using this SAME method, for this SAME statue,
What then do you think the FEET stand for?
And, using this SAME method, for this SAME statue, what also do you think 10 toes will then mean?

Answer…KINGDOMS.

So, now to the FEET & TOES of iron & clay…

Daniel 2:41
And as you saw the feet and toes, part of potters clay and part of iron, the KINGDOM SHALL BE DIVIDED….

What happens when a kingdom is DIVIDED…
It FALLS.
What happened to Rome?
It FELL as an EMPIRE.
What happened to the nations that once made up that empire?
They went their OWN WAY.
And where are these nations TODAY?
They STILL exist as INDEPENDENT NATIONS.

Is there still a Roman Empire?
Show me on a map please.
You will not find her in existence anymore.
The legs of Iron are GONE as an EMPIRE.
BUT..her DOMINIONS still exist independently.

So then, show me THOSE DIVIDED nations that were PART of that empire..
These you WILL and CAN find on a map of today…

And again, these nations are INDEPENDENT…
These nations were once DOMINIONS of the Roman Empire…
So then, what MUST dominions mean?
NATIONS !!!!!

And since they are NOW INDEPENDENT NATIONS, and were ONCE known as Rome's DOMINIONS, then logic screams out loud that that Roman empire is now DIVIDED into independent DOMINIONS…meaning that, that Roman Empire no longer exists as a single unit, but instead, her dominions that once made up that empire, they STILL EXIST independently.
NOT united as the legs were, which made an EMPIRE, but independent dominions/nations.

Otherwise, we would still see the Roman empire on today's maps.

Daniel speaks concerning this explanation..

*THE FEET
Daniel 2:41
And as you saw the feet and toes, part of potters clay and part of iron, the KINGDOM SHALL BE DIVIDED….

WHAT KINGDOM?
The Roman KINGDOM…DIVIDED…GONE as an EMPIRE…DIVIDED.
And that DIVIDED KINGDOM (defunct Roman Empire) being described as WHAT?
FEET & TOES !!

This is why they (feet & toes) are shown on the statue as DIFFERENT from the legs, but still containing EXISTING DOMINIONS from the legs….

Which can ONLY mean:
A DIVIDED KINGDOM that has fragmented into INDIVIDUAL & INDEPENDENT DOMINIONS !!!
And what does HISTORY prove to us?
That the Roman Empire DIVIDED and FELL.
And what does every map show concerning this region that Rome ruled?
INDEPENDENT dominions that once made up the Roman Empire.

And since we can STILL point out those dominions today that used to MAKE UP the Roman empire on modern maps.
And THEY are now INDEPENDENT NATIONS.
Independent NATIONS that ONCE made up an EMPIRE can only mean one thing…

AN EMPIRE DIVIDED into INDEPENDENT DOMINIONS

>DIVIDED>
>INDEPENDENT>
>DOMINIONS.

So the FEET are the PERIOD in time where the 4th beast is DIVIDED and WOUNDED and SCATTERED into INDIVIDUAL DOMINIONS.

But THEN we get to the TOES, which is still PART of the FEET, which is still CONNECTED to the LEGS, which CAME from the BRASS….

Remember the 4th beast had IRON teeth AND Brass nails…Roman & Greek mix.

Anyway, now the toes, what is happening here?

And HOW does Daniel approach explaining these toes?

Daniel 2:42
And as the TOES of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly broken.

Notice Daniel is STILL describing a DIVIDED KINGDOM?
The FEET are a DIVIDED KINGDOM…
WHAT KINGDOM?
ROMAN..
The TOES are ALSO/STILL described as a DIVIDED KINGDOM..
WHAT KINGDOM?
THAT SAME KINGDOM….ROME.

Since DANIEL STATED that the TOES come from the SAME “kingdom” as the FEET, which came from the IRON that DIVIDED…
This can ONLY mean ONE THING…
Here are the MODERN NATIONS of today that CAME from the ROMAN EMPIRE, which are STILL DIVIDED…

So the FEET and TOES represent the STILL BROKEN/DIVIDED/INDEPENDENT DOMINIONS of the now GONE Roman Empire!!

And again, how did Daniel explain the FEET?

Daniel 2:41
And as you saw the FEET and toes, part of potters clay and part of iron, the KINGDOM SHALL BE DIVIDED….

DIVIDED KINGDOM !!!

And the TOES again?

Daniel 2:42
And as the TOES of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly broken.

BROKEN = DIVIDED.

Notice the feet and toes are always TOGETHER, which have the IRON from the LEGS which CAME FROM the BRASS (Greek).
And it is still described as BROKEN….meaning DIVIDED….meaning INDEPENDENT dominions on their own.

It is because these DOMINIONS are still existing independently, and come from the legs of iron, which is gone, but the INDEPENDENT kingdoms FROM that iron leg, these SEPARATED kingdoms are still around.

And some of these dominions/kingdoms/nations hope to UNITE again, and WILL, as the modern version of the Roman Empire.

So the CORE group with all the veto powers will consist of TEN NATIONS that JOIN to REMAKE the 21st century reborn Roman Empire…

And WHEN the False Prophet comes, HE will EVENTUALLY, LATER ON, VERY SOON AFTER THE 10 UNITE, HE will arise from AMONG those 10, uproot 3 of these original FIRST kingdoms that joined to make up the 10 kingdom unity…HE will kick 3 of those nations out of that empire…

Kick them out?

This is still an ongoing question.
This could mean, he kicks out the 3 leaders only and MERGES the three nations PEOPLES into the other nations (redrawing national borders)
Or completely kicks out 3 entire nations?

So, Brass belly beginnings helped form the iron legs which DIVIDED into iron and clay FEET that are the DIVIDED dominions from which the TEN DIVIDED iron and clay TOES came from, which WILL UNITE again SOON.

The SAME DIVIDED empire which CAME from the FEET which was the DIVIDED/WOUNDED leg kingdom which hopes to reform from the vision/grouping of those 10 kings/empires..which will be the HEALING/REUNIFICATION/modern version of the “Roman Empire” that comes back into existence.

I will next give the sequence of scriptures that show this…
Please be patient however, i do not come onto this forum every day…
once a week usually…
too tired from work to come on regularly, and too tired from years of debating on another forum to feel a need to justify what i say anymore.
Coz its not about me, not about you, and certainly not about Georg, its about the truth.

Thanks Pierre.

[Pastry]

Devolution

You are like a balloon;

it takes many breath of air to fill up a balloon, but in the end all that's in it, IS AIR!

Georg

[journey42]

Quote (Pastry @ Jan. 02 2012,19:13)

Devolution You are like a balloon; it takes many breath of air to fill up a balloon, but in the end all that's in it,  IS AIR! Georg

Georg

Any one can insult, that's easy.

Devolution has obviously gone to great length to explain himself, to make it clear what he means.

[Pastry]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 02 2012,21:41)

Quote (Pastry @ Jan. 02 2012,19:13) Devolution You are like a balloon; it takes many breath of air to fill up a balloon, but in the end all that's in it,  IS AIR! Georg Georg Any one can insult, that's easy. Devolution has obviously gone to great length to explain himself, to make it clear what he means.

Are you telling me, you made sense out of that?

I thought he was speaking in tongues, or some kind of code.

Georg

[journey42]

Quote (Pastry @ Jan. 03 2012,00:49)

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 02 2012,21:41) Quote (Pastry @ Jan. 02 2012,19:13) Devolution You are like a balloon; it takes many breath of air to fill up a balloon, but in the end all that's in it,  IS AIR! Georg Georg Any one can insult, that's easy. Devolution has obviously gone to great length to explain himself, to make it clear what he means. Are you telling me, you made sense out of that? I thought he was speaking in tongues, or some kind of code. Georg

Yes I did.

He was saying that the 10 toes are from the Roman system, which is from the Greek.

And I can connect, because I know that Greece was never conquered. When Alexander died, his empire was divided between his four generals, and later out of one of them came the Roman empire.

And the Roman empire was never conquered, but slowly dissolved, but her system is still here.

So the 10 toes will be a kind of modern “Roman System” but not that same system as back then. This one will be completely reformed and different. More powerful “Who is like the beast, who can make war with the beast?”

It will be more powerful because it will have 10 nations combined. That's 10 armies combined, same currency, same laws & same motive. That's one powerful empire. This empire hasn't come up yet, but we know that Europe is planning something now, for the EU is too big. Everybody has a say, and nothing gets done. It needs to be reformed, it's no. of members reduced so that and it will end up with 10 leaders with more power.

And the false prophet will come up shortly after this conglomerate is formed, and uproot three leaders.

So it is future. Near future. And what you are saying may make sense to you, but to me, this has not happened yet, so no history can back this.

So no need to get upset, we are only discussing. We have to nut it out.

[terraricca]

Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 02 2012,19:11)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2011,17:49) devol. Quote I did say previously that God described the 10 horns and told us that they were ten kings, and kings rule KINGDOMS. So ten horns are 10 kings…10 toes=TEN kingdoms   ;;;So tell me, how on earth is that false? you still say what is not written 10 toes = ten kingdom —this is not what scriptures says ,this is why i showed the scriptures ; your statement is not true , Pierre Hello Pierre, Why do i say the 10 toes are the ten kingdoms that join together? The same FUTURE ten kingdoms that the false prophet emerges to rule over… Okay…. The statue of Daniel. This statue represents kingdoms, Daniel is clear on this…. *Babylon *Media-Persia *Rome Using this SAME method, for this SAME statue, What then do you think the FEET stand for? And, using this SAME method, for this SAME statue, what also do you think 10 toes will then mean? Answer…KINGDOMS. So, now to the FEET & TOES of iron & clay… Daniel 2:41 And as you saw the feet and toes, part of potters clay and part of iron, the KINGDOM SHALL BE DIVIDED…. What happens when a kingdom is DIVIDED… It FALLS. What happened to Rome? It FELL as an EMPIRE. What happened to the nations that once made up that empire? They went their OWN WAY. And where are these nations TODAY? They STILL exist as INDEPENDENT NATIONS. Is there still a Roman Empire? Show me on a map please. You will not find her in existence anymore. The legs of Iron are GONE as an EMPIRE. BUT..her DOMINIONS still exist independently. So then, show me THOSE DIVIDED nations that were PART of that empire.. These you WILL and CAN find on a map of today… And again, these nations are INDEPENDENT… These nations were once DOMINIONS of the Roman Empire… So then, what MUST dominions mean? NATIONS !!!!! And since they are NOW INDEPENDENT NATIONS, and were ONCE known as Rome's DOMINIONS, then logic screams out loud that that Roman empire is now DIVIDED into independent DOMINIONS…meaning that, that Roman Empire no longer exists as a single unit, but instead, her dominions that once made up that empire, they STILL EXIST independently. NOT united as the legs were, which made an EMPIRE, but independent dominions/nations. Otherwise, we would still see the Roman empire on today's maps. Daniel speaks concerning this explanation.. *THE FEET Daniel 2:41 And as you saw the feet and toes, part of potters clay and part of iron, the KINGDOM SHALL BE DIVIDED…. WHAT KINGDOM? The Roman KINGDOM…DIVIDED…GONE as an EMPIRE…DIVIDED. And that DIVIDED KINGDOM (defunct Roman Empire) being described as WHAT? FEET & TOES !! This is why they (feet & toes) are shown on the statue as DIFFERENT from the legs, but still containing EXISTING DOMINIONS from the legs…. Which can ONLY mean: A DIVIDED KINGDOM that has fragmented into INDIVIDUAL & INDEPENDENT DOMINIONS !!! And what does HISTORY prove to us? That the Roman Empire DIVIDED and FELL. And what does every map show concerning this region that Rome ruled? INDEPENDENT dominions that once made up the Roman Empire. And since we can STILL point out those dominions today that used to MAKE UP the Roman empire on modern maps. And THEY are now INDEPENDENT NATIONS. Independent NATIONS that ONCE made up an EMPIRE can only mean one thing… AN EMPIRE DIVIDED into INDEPENDENT DOMINIONS >DIVIDED> >INDEPENDENT> >DOMINIONS. So the FEET are the PERIOD in time where the 4th beast is DIVIDED and WOUNDED and SCATTERED into INDIVIDUAL DOMINIONS. But THEN we get to the TOES, which is still  PART of the FEET, which is still CONNECTED to the LEGS, which CAME from the BRASS…. Remember the 4th beast had IRON teeth AND Brass nails…Roman & Greek mix. Anyway, now the toes, what is happening here? And HOW does Daniel approach explaining these toes? Daniel 2:42 And as the TOES of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly broken. Notice Daniel is STILL describing a DIVIDED KINGDOM? The FEET are a DIVIDED KINGDOM… WHAT KINGDOM? ROMAN.. The TOES are ALSO/STILL described as a DIVIDED KINGDOM.. WHAT KINGDOM? THAT SAME KINGDOM….ROME. Since DANIEL STATED that the TOES come from the SAME “kingdom” as the FEET, which came from the IRON that DIVIDED… This can ONLY mean ONE THING… Here are the MODERN NATIONS of today that CAME from the ROMAN EMPIRE, which are STILL DIVIDED… So the FEET and TOES represent the STILL BROKEN/DIVIDED/INDEPENDENT DOMINIONS of the now GONE Roman Empire!! And again, how did Daniel explain the FEET? Daniel 2:41 And as you saw the FEET and toes, part of potters clay and part of iron, the KINGDOM SHALL BE DIVIDED…. DIVIDED KINGDOM !!! And the TOES again? Daniel 2:42 And as the TOES of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly broken. BROKEN = DIVIDED. Notice the feet and toes are always TOGETHER, which have the IRON from the LEGS which CAME FROM the BRASS (Greek). And it is still described as BROKEN….meaning DIVIDED….meaning INDEPENDENT dominions on their own. It is because these DOMINIONS are still existing independently, and come from the legs of iron, which is gone, but the INDEPENDENT kingdoms FROM that iron leg, these SEPARATED kingdoms are still around. And some of these dominions/kingdoms/nations hope to UNITE again, and WILL,  as the modern version of the Roman Empire. So the CORE group with all the veto powers will consist of TEN NATIONS that JOIN to REMAKE the 21st century reborn Roman Empire… And WHEN the False Prophet comes, HE will EVENTUALLY, LATER ON, VERY SOON AFTER THE 10 UNITE, HE will arise from AMONG those 10, uproot 3 of these original FIRST kingdoms that joined to make up the 10 kingdom unity…HE will kick 3 of those nations out of that empire… Kick them out? This is still an ongoing question. This could mean, he kicks out the 3 leaders only and MERGES the three nations PEOPLES into the other nations (redrawing national borders) Or completely kicks out 3 entire nations? So, Brass belly beginnings helped form the iron legs which DIVIDED into iron and clay FEET that are the DIVIDED dominions from which the TEN DIVIDED iron and clay TOES came from, which WILL UNITE again SOON. The SAME DIVIDED empire which CAME from the FEET which was the DIVIDED/WOUNDED leg kingdom which hopes to reform from the vision/grouping of those 10 kings/empires..which will be the HEALING/REUNIFICATION/modern version of the “Roman Empire” that comes back into existence. I will next give the sequence of scriptures that show this… Please be patient however, i do not come onto this forum every day… once a week usually… too tired from work to come on regularly, and too tired from years of debating on another forum to feel a need to justify what i say anymore. Coz its not about me, not about you, and certainly not about Georg, its about the truth. Thanks Pierre.

devol

Da 2:33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay.

Da 2:42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle.
Da 2:43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.

Da 2:44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.

this is what we find in scriptures ;

Now what is it that is not true to history ??

we know that the foot with the toes are part of the Roman empire,and history says that at around 20 years before Christ the Roman started to be divided in politics ,(Mark Antony,Julius Cesar;and others also Egypt)the clay and iron ,scriptures says it is a division ,not other kings ,and it is during that instability that God bring his kingdom to power by the king he add Chosen Jesus Christ ,and it is his kingdom that will never be overthrown ,and so from that time on God has a King and after Christ dead the kingdom is now populated ,by those who believe in it ,

Pierre

[Devolution]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2012,05:18)

Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 02 2012,19:11) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2011,17:49) devol. Quote I did say previously that God described the 10 horns and told us that they were ten kings, and kings rule KINGDOMS. So ten horns are 10 kings…10 toes=TEN kingdoms   ;;;So tell me, how on earth is that false? you still say what is not written 10 toes = ten kingdom —this is not what scriptures says ,this is why i showed the scriptures ; your statement is not true , Pierre Hello Pierre, Why do i say the 10 toes are the ten kingdoms that join together? The same FUTURE ten kingdoms that the false prophet emerges to rule over… Okay…. The statue of Daniel. This statue represents kingdoms, Daniel is clear on this…. *Babylon *Media-Persia *Rome Using this SAME method, for this SAME statue, What then do you think the FEET stand for? And, using this SAME method, for this SAME statue, what also do you think 10 toes will then mean? Answer…KINGDOMS. So, now to the FEET & TOES of iron & clay… Daniel 2:41 And as you saw the feet and toes, part of potters clay and part of iron, the KINGDOM SHALL BE DIVIDED…. What happens when a kingdom is DIVIDED… It FALLS. What happened to Rome? It FELL as an EMPIRE. What happened to the nations that once made up that empire? They went their OWN WAY. And where are these nations TODAY? They STILL exist as INDEPENDENT NATIONS. Is there still a Roman Empire? Show me on a map please. You will not find her in existence anymore. The legs of Iron are GONE as an EMPIRE. BUT..her DOMINIONS still exist independently. So then, show me THOSE DIVIDED nations that were PART of that empire.. These you WILL and CAN find on a map of today… And again, these nations are INDEPENDENT… These nations were once DOMINIONS of the Roman Empire… So then, what MUST dominions mean? NATIONS !!!!! And since they are NOW INDEPENDENT NATIONS, and were ONCE known as Rome's DOMINIONS, then logic screams out loud that that Roman empire is now DIVIDED into independent DOMINIONS…meaning that, that Roman Empire no longer exists as a single unit, but instead, her dominions that once made up that empire, they STILL EXIST independently. NOT united as the legs were, which made an EMPIRE, but independent dominions/nations. Otherwise, we would still see the Roman empire on today's maps. Daniel speaks concerning this explanation.. *THE FEET Daniel 2:41 And as you saw the feet and toes, part of potters clay and part of iron, the KINGDOM SHALL BE DIVIDED…. WHAT KINGDOM? The Roman KINGDOM…DIVIDED…GONE as an EMPIRE…DIVIDED. And that DIVIDED KINGDOM (defunct Roman Empire) being described as WHAT? FEET & TOES !! This is why they (feet & toes) are shown on the statue as DIFFERENT from the legs, but still containing EXISTING DOMINIONS from the legs…. Which can ONLY mean: A DIVIDED KINGDOM that has fragmented into INDIVIDUAL & INDEPENDENT DOMINIONS !!! And what does HISTORY prove to us? That the Roman Empire DIVIDED and FELL. And what does every map show concerning this region that Rome ruled? INDEPENDENT dominions that once made up the Roman Empire. And since we can STILL point out those dominions today that used to MAKE UP the Roman empire on modern maps. And THEY are now INDEPENDENT NATIONS. Independent NATIONS that ONCE made up an EMPIRE can only mean one thing… AN EMPIRE DIVIDED into INDEPENDENT DOMINIONS >DIVIDED> >INDEPENDENT> >DOMINIONS. So the FEET are the PERIOD in time where the 4th beast is DIVIDED and WOUNDED and SCATTERED into INDIVIDUAL DOMINIONS. But THEN we get to the TOES, which is still  PART of the FEET, which is still CONNECTED to the LEGS, which CAME from the BRASS…. Remember the 4th beast had IRON teeth AND Brass nails…Roman & Greek mix. Anyway, now the toes, what is happening here? And HOW does Daniel approach explaining these toes? Daniel 2:42 And as the TOES of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly broken. Notice Daniel is STILL describing a DIVIDED KINGDOM? The FEET are a DIVIDED KINGDOM… WHAT KINGDOM? ROMAN.. The TOES are ALSO/STILL described as a DIVIDED KINGDOM.. WHAT KINGDOM? THAT SAME KINGDOM….ROME. Since DANIEL STATED that the TOES come from the SAME “kingdom” as the FEET, which came from the IRON that DIVIDED… This can ONLY mean ONE THING… Here are the MODERN NATIONS of today that CAME from the ROMAN EMPIRE, which are STILL DIVIDED… So the FEET and TOES represent the STILL BROKEN/DIVIDED/INDEPENDENT DOMINIONS of the now GONE Roman Empire!! And again, how did Daniel explain the FEET? Daniel 2:41 And as you saw the FEET and toes, part of potters clay and part of iron, the KINGDOM SHALL BE DIVIDED…. DIVIDED KINGDOM !!! And the TOES again? Daniel 2:42 And as the TOES of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly broken. BROKEN = DIVIDED. Notice the feet and toes are always TOGETHER, which have the IRON from the LEGS which CAME FROM the BRASS (Greek). And it is still described as BROKEN….meaning DIVIDED….meaning INDEPENDENT dominions on their own. It is because these DOMINIONS are still existing independently, and come from the legs of iron, which is gone, but the INDEPENDENT kingdoms FROM that iron leg, these SEPARATED kingdoms are still around. And some of these dominions/kingdoms/nations hope to UNITE again, and WILL,  as the modern version of the Roman Empire. So the CORE group with all the veto powers will consist of TEN NATIONS that JOIN to REMAKE the 21st century reborn Roman Empire… And WHEN the False Prophet comes, HE will EVENTUALLY, LATER ON, VERY SOON AFTER THE 10 UNITE, HE will arise from AMONG those 10, uproot 3 of these original FIRST kingdoms that joined to make up the 10 kingdom unity…HE will kick 3 of those nations out of that empire… Kick them out? This is still an ongoing question. This could mean, he kicks out the 3 leaders only and MERGES the three nations PEOPLES into the other nations (redrawing national borders) Or completely kicks out 3 entire nations? So, Brass belly beginnings helped form the iron legs which DIVIDED into iron and clay FEET that are the DIVIDED dominions from which the TEN DIVIDED iron and clay TOES came from, which WILL UNITE again SOON. The SAME DIVIDED empire which CAME from the FEET which was the DIVIDED/WOUNDED leg kingdom which hopes to reform from the vision/grouping of those 10 kings/empires..which will be the HEALING/REUNIFICATION/modern version of the “Roman Empire” that comes back into existence. I will next give the sequence of scriptures that show this… Please be patient however, i do not come onto this forum every day… once a week usually… too tired from work to come on regularly, and too tired from years of debating on another forum to feel a need to justify what i say anymore. Coz its not about me, not about you, and certainly not about Georg, its about the truth. Thanks Pierre. devol Da 2:33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay. Da 2:42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. Da 2:43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay. Da 2:44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. this is what we find in scriptures ; Now what is it that is not true to history ?? we know that the foot with the toes are part of the Roman empire,and history says that at around 20 years before Christ the Roman started to be divided in politics ,(Mark Antony,Julius Cesar;and others also Egypt)the clay and iron ,scriptures says it is a division ,not other kings ,and it is during that instability that God bring his kingdom to power by the king he add Chosen Jesus Christ ,and it is his kingdom that will never be overthrown ,and so from that time on God has a King and after Christ dead the kingdom is now populated ,by those who believe in it , Pierre

Hi Pierre,

I have to STRONGLY disagree. I can't believe there are teachers/religions saying that this is history??? They certainly have a lot to answer for…

Tell me, please, when Christ first came into the world, how did He come?

a) By birth
b) In the clouds with His angels

Thanks.

[Ed J]

Quote (Pastry @ Jan. 03 2012,00:49)

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 02 2012,21:41) Quote (Pastry @ Jan. 02 2012,19:13) Devolution You are like a balloon; it takes many breath of air to fill up a balloon, but in the end all that's in it,  IS AIR! Georg Georg Any one can insult, that's easy. Devolution has obviously gone to great length to explain himself, to make it clear what he means. Are you telling me, you made sense out of that? I thought he was speaking in tongues, or some kind of code. Georg

Hi Georg,

HA Ha ha ha, you're funny.        
But you “are” right, he is all over the place;
without the illustration of clear and concise points.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

devol

Quote

Hi Pierre, I have to STRONGLY disagree. I can't believe there are teachers/religions saying that this is history??? They certainly have a lot to answer for… Tell me, please, when Christ first came into the world, how did He come? a) By birth b) In the clouds with His angels Thanks.

Da 2:44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.

tell me what in that scripture was not accomplish at the dead of Christ ??

Pierre

[terraricca]

devol

Da 2:33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay.

Da 2:42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle.
Da 2:43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.

can you stick to those scriptures and explain them ??

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 03 2012,03:06)

Yes I did. He was saying that the 10 toes are from the Roman system, which is from the Greek.   And I can connect, because I know that Greece was never conquered.  When Alexander died, his empire was divided between his four generals, and later out of one of them came the Roman empire.   And the Roman empire was never conquered, but slowly dissolved, but her system is still here. So the 10 toes will be a kind of modern “Roman System” but not that same system as back then.  This one will be completely reformed and different.  More powerful “Who is like the beast, who can make war with the beast?”   It will be more powerful because it will have 10 nations combined.  That's 10 armies combined, same currency, same laws & same motive.  That's one powerful empire.  This empire hasn't come up yet, but we know that Europe is planning something now, for the EU is too big.  Everybody has a say, and nothing gets done.  It needs to be reformed, it's no. of members reduced so that and it will end up with 10 leaders with more power. And the false prophet will come up shortly after this conglomerate is formed, and uproot three leaders. So it is future.  Near future.  And what you are saying may make sense to you, but to me, this has not happened yet, so no history can back this. So no need to get upset, we are only discussing.  We have to nut it out.

Hi Georgie,

What you explain is the “status-quo”,
we have “ALL” heard this explanation before,
but we know it is false because we are well studied.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 03 2012,22:59)

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 03 2012,03:06) Yes I did. He was saying that the 10 toes are from the Roman system, which is from the Greek.   And I can connect, because I know that Greece was never conquered.  When Alexander died, his empire was divided between his four generals, and later out of one of them came the Roman empire.   And the Roman empire was never conquered, but slowly dissolved, but her system is still here. So the 10 toes will be a kind of modern “Roman System” but not that same system as back then.  This one will be completely reformed and different.  More powerful “Who is like the beast, who can make war with the beast?”   It will be more powerful because it will have 10 nations combined.  That's 10 armies combined, same currency, same laws & same motive.  That's one powerful empire.  This empire hasn't come up yet, but we know that Europe is planning something now, for the EU is too big.  Everybody has a say, and nothing gets done.  It needs to be reformed, it's no. of members reduced so that and it will end up with 10 leaders with more power. And the false prophet will come up shortly after this conglomerate is formed, and uproot three leaders. So it is future.  Near future.  And what you are saying may make sense to you, but to me, this has not happened yet, so no history can back this. So no need to get upset, we are only discussing.  We have to nut it out. Hi Georgie, What you explain is the “status-quo”, we have “ALL” heard this explanation before, but we know it is false because we are well studied. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Thats fine Ed.

Thank you for your input.

[Ed J]

Hi journey42,

I'm glad you are sticking around to discuss the matter with us all here.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[journey42]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2012,22:54)

devol Quote Hi Pierre, I have to STRONGLY disagree. I can't believe there are teachers/religions saying that this is history??? They certainly have a lot to answer for… Tell me, please, when Christ first came into the world, how did He come? a) By birth b) In the clouds with His angels Thanks. Da 2:44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. tell me what in that scripture was not accomplish at the dead of Christ ?? Pierre

Hi Pierre

What has not been fulfilled in Christ yet?

His judgement on the world.
The wrath of God (7 trumpets)
Destroying of Babylon
The saints being resurrected
Christ ruling with a rod of Iron

Evil is still here, and it grows daily. Children are even murdering now. Read the papers, death and violence everywhere, sickness, wars, disease, famine, global warming, corruption.

Is this how Christ is supposed to rule his kingdom? Is this ruling with a rod of iron?

So many different religions, and christians ones too, all arguing about the truth. All claiming to have the holy spirit, and all having different doctrines.

Where's the order? Wheres the truth flowing out of Zion? Wheres justice?

Looks a bit messed up if you ask me. If this is the best it will get, then what is there to look forward to?

Jesus work was fulfilled as was prophesied.

He came, preached, his people rejected him, he was crucified, then resurrected, then gentiles come in, and he now sit's at the right hand of the Father.

This has all been fulfilled, as prophesied.

and the rest is to come.
Judgement and Christ exercising his authority,
WHEN the harvest is ready.

God bless.

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 04 2012,00:47)

Hi journey42, I'm glad you are sticking around to discuss the matter with us all here. Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed J

You have your mind made up. You have written books? What then? What if you have interpreted something wrong? Will you retract your books and tell everybody that you made a mistake? It gets a bit sticky doesn't it. So what's the point in going back and forth over things? Your mind is made up. You're doctrine's in print now.

I want you to really think about this Ed, what if you have made a mistake? What then?

Some have no church, or religion, or book, or documentary to protect, Only the truth. That's all. That's what Christ gave them. The scriptures are not allowed to contradict. They have to fit perfectly within the whole picture. It's like putting a jigsaw together and trying to force the wrong piece in. You won't get the true picture.

So if you are well versed in the scriptures, then so what? So am I. So is everyone here. Who is going to judge between who is wrong and who is right? The scriptures should do that, as the scriptures are the final authority, but guess what? it's not happening. So much confusion. This is why we need Christ to come back to set some order, then the truth will flow out of Zion.

I sometimes think that debating back and forth is fruitless. I have only seen a couple of humble ones here that say, Ok, I'll look into it, but most are stubborn.

And nothing I have said here is scriptural, but my own thoughts, and I feel a little sad at the moment. Thats all.

but you are still my brother in Christ and I love you.

[terraricca]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 04 2012,16:12)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2012,22:54) devol Quote Hi Pierre, I have to STRONGLY disagree. I can't believe there are teachers/religions saying that this is history??? They certainly have a lot to answer for… Tell me, please, when Christ first came into the world, how did He come? a) By birth b) In the clouds with His angels Thanks. Da 2:44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. tell me what in that scripture was not accomplish at the dead of Christ ?? Pierre Hi Pierre What has not been fulfilled in Christ yet? His judgement on the world. The wrath of God (7 trumpets) Destroying of Babylon The saints being resurrected Christ ruling with a rod of Iron Evil is still here, and it grows daily. Children are even murdering now.  Read the papers, death and violence everywhere, sickness, wars, disease, famine, global warming, corruption. Is this how Christ is supposed to rule his kingdom?  Is this ruling with a rod of iron? So many different religions, and christians ones too, all arguing about the truth.  All claiming to have the holy spirit, and all having different doctrines. Where's the order?  Wheres the truth flowing out of Zion?  Wheres justice? Looks a bit messed up if you ask me.  If this is the best it will get, then what is there to look forward to? Jesus work was fulfilled as was prophesied. He came, preached, his people rejected him, he was crucified, then resurrected, then gentiles come in, and he now sit's at the right hand of the Father.   This has all been fulfilled, as prophesied. and the rest is to come. Judgement and Christ exercising his authority, WHEN the harvest is ready. God bless.

42

Agree,but I still think that some of the things you mention to be yet to come ,will be accomplished after the 1000 years reign of Christ or after the second resurrection taken place ,

Pierre

[journey42]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 06 2012,04:41)

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 04 2012,16:12) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2012,22:54) devol Quote Hi Pierre, I have to STRONGLY disagree. I can't believe there are teachers/religions saying that this is history??? They certainly have a lot to answer for… Tell me, please, when Christ first came into the world, how did He come? a) By birth b) In the clouds with His angels Thanks. Da 2:44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. tell me what in that scripture was not accomplish at the dead of Christ ?? Pierre Hi Pierre What has not been fulfilled in Christ yet? His judgement on the world. The wrath of God (7 trumpets) Destroying of Babylon The saints being resurrected Christ ruling with a rod of Iron Evil is still here, and it grows daily. Children are even murdering now.  Read the papers, death and violence everywhere, sickness, wars, disease, famine, global warming, corruption. Is this how Christ is supposed to rule his kingdom?  Is this ruling with a rod of iron? So many different religions, and christians ones too, all arguing about the truth.  All claiming to have the holy spirit, and all having different doctrines. Where's the order?  Wheres the truth flowing out of Zion?  Wheres justice? Looks a bit messed up if you ask me.  If this is the best it will get, then what is there to look forward to? Jesus work was fulfilled as was prophesied. He came, preached, his people rejected him, he was crucified, then resurrected, then gentiles come in, and he now sit's at the right hand of the Father.   This has all been fulfilled, as prophesied. and the rest is to come. Judgement and Christ exercising his authority, WHEN the harvest is ready. God bless. 42 Agree,but I still think that some of the things you mention to be yet to come ,will be accomplished after the 1000 years reign of Christ or after the second resurrection taken place , Pierre

Hi Pierre

Dan 2:44 is talking about Jesus 2nd Coming. Not his first coming.

This is when Christ will destroy babylon the great. This is when Christ bounds Satan for a thousand years. This is when the Saints get resurrected, and the kingdom set up on earth.

The 1000 years can only start then, and not before. After big changes are made. And the whole world will witness this.

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 06 2012,01:46)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 04 2012,00:47) Hi journey42, I'm glad you are sticking around to discuss the matter with us all here. Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J Hi Ed J (1)You have your mind made up.  (2)You have written books?  What then?  What if you have interpreted something wrong?  Will you  retract your books and tell everybody that you made a mistake?  It gets a bit sticky doesn't it.  (3)So what's the point in going back and forth over things?  Your mind is made up.  You're doctrine's in print now.   (4)I want you to really think about this Ed, what if you have made a mistake? What then? (5)Some have no church, or religion, or book, or documentary to protect, Only the truth.  That's all. That's what Christ gave them. (6)The scriptures are not allowed to contradict.  They have to fit perfectly within the whole picture.  It's like putting a jigsaw together and trying to force the wrong piece in.  You won't get the true picture. (7)So if you are well versed in the scriptures, then so what?  So am I. (8) So is everyone here.  (9)Who is going to judge between who is wrong and who is right?  The scriptures should do that, as the scriptures are the final authority, but guess what? it's not happening. So much confusion. (10)This is why we need Christ to come back to set some order, then the truth will flow out of Zion. I sometimes think that debating back and forth is fruitless.  I have only seen a couple of humble ones here that say, Ok, I'll look into it, but most are stubborn. And nothing I have said here is scriptural, but my own thoughts, and I feel a little sad at the moment. Thats all. but you are still my brother in Christ and I love you.

Hi journey42,

1) What is this suppose to mean?

2) A) I have not written books, I'm in the process of writing one book.
         It has 26 chapters to it, and the last two chapters are not finished.

    B) The beauty about e-books is they can be changed,
         unlike printed books which would need to be reprinted.

3) Is it not to establish truth?

4) See point #2B.

5) with regard to your point, the only thing I protect is truth.

6) That is why I ask others to explain Scriptures that I cannot see fitting in to the picture they are portraying.

7) Will that not help in discussions?

8) I wouldn't say everyone.

9) Everyone has the ability to see things more clearly, do they not?

10) Christ came back, in spirit form, on Pentecost. (here is the Link for you)
    John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
    the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
    “Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9)

You have not discussed anything here with me concerning Pentecost,
is this because YOU already have YOUR mind made up? no budging?
God lets us see “our weakness” in others! (Psalm 18:25-27)

If you are well studied as you claim, why not discuss the matter with me?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Pastry]

So the challenge to Georg has become the challenge to Ed vs journey,

I think that's cute,

Georg

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 06 2012,22:59)

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 06 2012,01:46) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 04 2012,00:47) Hi journey42, I'm glad you are sticking around to discuss the matter with us all here. Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J Hi Ed J (1)You have your mind made up.  (2)You have written books?  What then?  What if you have interpreted something wrong?  Will you  retract your books and tell everybody that you made a mistake?  It gets a bit sticky doesn't it.  (3)So what's the point in going back and forth over things?  Your mind is made up.  You're doctrine's in print now.   (4)I want you to really think about this Ed, what if you have made a mistake? What then? (5)Some have no church, or religion, or book, or documentary to protect, Only the truth.  That's all. That's what Christ gave them. (6)The scriptures are not allowed to contradict.  They have to fit perfectly within the whole picture.  It's like putting a jigsaw together and trying to force the wrong piece in.  You won't get the true picture. (7)So if you are well versed in the scriptures, then so what?  So am I. (8) So is everyone here.  (9)Who is going to judge between who is wrong and who is right?  The scriptures should do that, as the scriptures are the final authority, but guess what? it's not happening. So much confusion. (10)This is why we need Christ to come back to set some order, then the truth will flow out of Zion. I sometimes think that debating back and forth is fruitless.  I have only seen a couple of humble ones here that say, Ok, I'll look into it, but most are stubborn. And nothing I have said here is scriptural, but my own thoughts, and I feel a little sad at the moment. Thats all. but you are still my brother in Christ and I love you. Hi journey42, 1) What is this suppose to mean? 2) A) I have not written books, I'm in the process of writing one book.          It has 26 chapters to it, and the last two chapters are not finished.     B) The beauty about e-books is they can be changed,          unlike printed books which would need to be reprinted. 3) Is it not to establish truth? 4) See point #2B. 5) with regard to your point, the only thing I protect is truth. 6) That is why I ask others to explain Scriptures that I cannot see fitting in to the picture they are portraying. 7) Will that not help in discussions? 8) I wouldn't say everyone. 9) Everyone has the ability to see things more clearly, do they not? 10) Christ came back, in spirit form, on Pentecost. (here is the Link for you)     John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:     the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.     “Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9) You have not discussed anything here with me concerning Pentecost, is this because YOU already have YOUR mind made up? no budging? God lets us see “our weakness” in others! (Psalm 18:25-27) If you are well studied as you claim, why not discuss the matter with me? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed

Firstly, I thought this post was about the 10 kings?

We seem to be jumping subjects?
You disagreed with my interpretation of Daniel (the image)

I told George that I understand what Devolution was saying, and opted to give my reasons why, according to what I knew about history. Basic history. Not according to in-depth, long, 50,000 paged university history, as God doesn't expect his simple servants to be historians. But just basic history.

Now it's about pentecost?
We need some order. I was not referring to Pentecost. But you are for some reason.

I am happy to discuss pentecost with you then.

What exactly are you trying to say? I looked up your post.

Pentecost to me, is when the holy spirit was poured out to all those gentiles. This was a big event, as every man heard what the other was saying in his own language. So they were gentiles.

The Jews were watching, witnessing men (gentiles) with the spirit of God in them, and thought they were drunk. Seeing with their own eyes, they still could not see.

And this is proof, and a little snippet of what is come in the last days just before Christ's second coming.

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

On all flesh? Who exactly?

Acts 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy.

On God's servants, and handmaidens. This pentecost experience was a prophesy being played out in real life back then. This prophesy will happen again in the last days,…and the next verse tells us the time frame

Acts 2:19 And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath, blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

see Rev 8:7, 8, 10 – the 1st, 2nd, & third trumpet. Signs in the earth.

Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

See Rev 8:12 – the fourth trumpet. Signs in the heaven above.

This all happens before Christ returns

Matthew 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

So this repeat of the holy spirit being poured out on God's Servants will happen again, in the same manner, and in the same hour (not literal hour) but at the same time when the ten kings receive power.

And I believe from these scriptures, that this is the final warning to the world, and God will use his servants to warn the people not to take the mark of the beast, and will do it with a bang, just like the day of pentecost.

This is how we supposed to connect the scriptures Ed, putting the puzzle together, to make parts of the picture clearer. It has to fit.

And the subject of pentecost, led us bac
k to the 10 kings anyway lol.

Let me know your thoughts

God bless.

The holy spirit will be poured out again in the last days on God's servants, and this will be repeated.

Now, were all these gentiles true worshipping christians?
or was it just God showing his power, that he could pour the HS out on whoever he chose.

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