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Quote (Ed J @ April 08 2010,16:33) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 08 2010,11:27) Quote (Ed J @ April 07 2010,18:23) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 08 2010,04:50) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 07 2010,11:35) martian ………Well put brother. We are told Jesus (WAS) (tempted) in (ALL) manor of Sin as we are. But these deluded twisters of scripture TRINITARIANS and PREEXISTENCES Just do not understand . IMO peace and love to you and yours…………..gene
GeneWhat you are saying is a “half truth”. Can you point us to the scripture that says…
“Jesus (WAS) (tempted) in (ALL) manor of Sin as we are..”
WJ
Hi WJ,Heb:4:15: For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of
our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdFirst of all “as we are” is not in the original text
WJ
Hi WJ,Sorry, I'm usually meticulous in this, here is how I should have posted it…
Heb:4:15: For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of
our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.Italics are indeed added words, added by the translators! I will try not to let this happen again; OK?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDjthis is nice jester to correct own mistake and not covering it.
it is sad that the one you address it to never answer why ,Christ says to worship God only,and yet he worship a trinity.and never correct is mistake.
must be because he do not believe Jesus would that not make him a unbeliever??
Quote (Ed J @ April 08 2010,00:33) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 08 2010,11:27) Quote (Ed J @ April 07 2010,18:23) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 08 2010,04:50) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 07 2010,11:35) martian ………Well put brother. We are told Jesus (WAS) (tempted) in (ALL) manor of Sin as we are. But these deluded twisters of scripture TRINITARIANS and PREEXISTENCES Just do not understand . IMO peace and love to you and yours…………..gene
GeneWhat you are saying is a “half truth”. Can you point us to the scripture that says…
“Jesus (WAS) (tempted) in (ALL) manor of Sin as we are..”
WJ
Hi WJ,Heb:4:15: For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of
our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdFirst of all “as we are” is not in the original text
WJ
Hi WJ,Sorry, I'm usually meticulous in this, here is how I should have posted it…
Heb:4:15: For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of
our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.Italics are indeed added words, added by the translators! I will try not to let this happen again; OK?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDThanks, but my point is this verse is missunderstood that Jesus experienced every evil desire or temptation known to man. Jesus was not tempted in every way that man was or is!
That is not what this verse means!
WJ
I love the false backslapping that TT is giving to WJ.
So false. Tt is just posting to try and support his ailing colleague in the same way a mother tells her wayward children that they are the good ones and all the others are the nasty one, always picking on her kids after her kids just bricked an innocent person and torched an old lady's house for fun
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2010,12:15) Quote (JustAskin @ April 02 2010,20:13) WJ, How can a God die?
JABecause death does not mean to cease to exist!
WJ
Hi WJ:Death means “spiritual separation from God”. Can God be separated from Himself? And by spiritual death, we are speaking of the soul being separated from God.
Quote 1 Co. 15:21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. Quote 1 Timothy 1:17
Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ April 08 2010,22:05) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2010,12:15) Quote (JustAskin @ April 02 2010,20:13) WJ, How can a God die?
JABecause death does not mean to cease to exist!
WJ
Hi WJ:Death means “spiritual separation from God”. Can God be separated from Himself? And by spiritual death, we are speaking of the soul being separated from God.
Quote 1 Co. 15:21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. Quote 1 Timothy 1:17
Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyYou obviously do not understand the Biblical definition of death.
Death is the Spirit/Soul seperating from the body. Just like Lazarus and the rich man. Death does not mean cease to exist!
At any rate spiritual seperation from God is caused by sin. So tell me Marty, what sin did Jesus have.
Even those who are dead in trespasses and sin (spiritual death) are still conscience and aware that they exist.
No Marty Jesus said that he had the power to lay down his life and the power to take it up again. Jesus claimed that no man could take it from him and because of his sinlessness his soul would not remain in hell (the center of the earth) neither his flesh suffer corruption!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 09 2010,14:16) Quote (942767 @ April 08 2010,22:05) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2010,12:15) Quote (JustAskin @ April 02 2010,20:13) WJ, How can a God die?
JABecause death does not mean to cease to exist!
WJ
Hi WJ:Death means “spiritual separation from God”. Can God be separated from Himself? And by spiritual death, we are speaking of the soul being separated from God.
Quote 1 Co. 15:21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. Quote 1 Timothy 1:17
Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyYou obviously do not understand the Biblical definition of death.
Death is the Spirit/Soul seperating from the body. Just like Lazarus and the rich man. Death does not mean cease to exist!
At any rate spiritual seperation from God is caused by sin. So tell me Marty, what sin did Jesus have.
Even those who are dead in trespasses and sin (spiritual death) are still conscience and aware that they exist.
No Marty Jesus said that he had the power to lay down his life and the power to take it up again. Jesus claimed that no man could take it from him and because of his sinlessness his soul would not remain in hell (the center of the earth) neither his flesh suffer corruption!
WJ
Hi WJ:Jesus himself did not sin, but he had the weight of the sins of the whole world upon himself.
The account of Lazarus and the rich man is a parable which is not meant to be taken literally. It would not make sense for a man who died two thousand years ago during the ministry of Jesus to be tormented in hell for these two thousand years and then be raised from the dead to be judged and cast into hell again to be destroyed, would it?
The scripture states that God raised him from the dead:
Quote Romans 8:11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. I read the following scripture to mean that Jesus had a “free will” to either lay his life down or not, and not that he had the power to raise himself from the dead.
Quote John 10:18
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my FatherIt was God who raised him from the dead. There are many other scriptures which indicate this.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (JustAskin @ April 09 2010,13:08) I love the false backslapping that TT is giving to WJ. So false. Tt is just posting to try and support his ailing colleague in the same way a mother tells her wayward children that they are the good ones and all the others are the nasty one, always picking on her kids after her kids just bricked an innocent person and torched an old lady's house for fun
This has always bothered me too. It wouldn't be so bad if it didn't verge on delusional so frequently. As a joke, I have often wanted to congradulate someone who I agreed with on their intelligence, but I always felt icky, and so never make those mock postings.Quote And he called the name of the place Massah, and Meribah, because of the chiding of the children of Israel, and because they “tempted (Heb-nacah) ” the LORD, saying, Is the LORD among us, or not? Exod 17:7 Ye shall not “tempt (Heb-nacah)” the LORD your God, as ye tempted (Heb-nacah) him in Massah. Deut 6:16
When your fathers “tempted (Heb-nacah)” me, proved me, and saw my work. Pss 95:9
WJ, how would you define the use of the word that is translated “tempted” in these verses?
Would it be the same meaning where Jesus was tempted to do bad?
What is your definition or meaning of the word in those instances above?
Quote (david @ April 09 2010,03:14) Quote And he called the name of the place Massah, and Meribah, because of the chiding of the children of Israel, and because they “tempted (Heb-nacah) ” the LORD, saying, Is the LORD among us, or not? Exod 17:7 Ye shall not “tempt (Heb-nacah)” the LORD your God, as ye tempted (Heb-nacah) him in Massah. Deut 6:16
When your fathers “tempted (Heb-nacah)” me, proved me, and saw my work. Pss 95:9
WJ, how would you define the use of the word that is translated “tempted” in these verses?
Would it be the same meaning where Jesus was tempted to do bad?
What is your definition or meaning of the word in those instances above?
DavidWould it be wrong to tempt a man to the point he wanted to kill you?
YHWH was tempted to the point that he did kill them. But he is God so who can say he is a murderer. He gives life and he takes it away. But he can be tempted!
Jesus was tempted by satan from without, but there was nothing in him to respond. It was not a hard thing for him who had the Spirit without measure to resist him! It was a hard thing to be without food for 40 days!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 10 2010,05:44) Quote (david @ April 09 2010,03:14) Quote And he called the name of the place Massah, and Meribah, because of the chiding of the children of Israel, and because they “tempted (Heb-nacah) ” the LORD, saying, Is the LORD among us, or not? Exod 17:7 Ye shall not “tempt (Heb-nacah)” the LORD your God, as ye tempted (Heb-nacah) him in Massah. Deut 6:16
When your fathers “tempted (Heb-nacah)” me, proved me, and saw my work. Pss 95:9
WJ, how would you define the use of the word that is translated “tempted” in these verses?
Would it be the same meaning where Jesus was tempted to do bad?
What is your definition or meaning of the word in those instances above?
DavidWould it be wrong to tempt a man to the point he wanted to kill you?
YHWH was tempted to the point that he did kill them. But he is God so who can say he is a murderer. He gives life and he takes it away. But he can be tempted!
Jesus was tempted by satan from without, but there was nothing in him to respond. It was not a hard thing for him who had the Spirit without measure to resist him! It was a hard thing to be without food for 40 days!
WJ
WJyou show lies this is not what the scriptures telling.
you twisting the words trying to establish your pagan believes the trinity.
To everyone,
It is quite clear that TT and WJ have nowhere to turn in their belief in the trinity.
Over the past months since I joined, TT and WJ have done nothing more than spouted the same nonesense over and over, in complete disregard to Scriptural Truth that has been shown to them.
They are able to do this by posting in multiple topics the same miscreated ideas, ususally as a rebuff to what someone else has written.
When they are proved to be wrong in one place they simply ignore the Scripturally upheld renderings and, TT in particular, then just attacks a minor flaw in the poster's argument, or sometimes just post a nonesense post back to make it look like they have some issue to contend.
Additionally, they wait for another passing newbie and leach their acrid false testament on them. Witness TT attacking one of the 'paduwan learners' in this forum, like Anakin Skywalker killing the youngling Jedi.
I've told TT that he is very close to the darkside already.
Just Ask… him this question:
“As what did Jesus die: God or Man”?Now, if you know your Scriptures you will know that only a perfect Man could take on the sins of Mankind and die to save Mankind: Perfect Sinless Man sacrificed for Imperfect Sinful Man.
Now, WJ and TT say that Jesus was/is God even after Jesus calls himself 'Son of Man' and when the Jews mistakenly claim that Jesus was making himself equal to God by saying he was the 'Son of God' (the Jews had a tradition that claim the senior son inherited the major part of their father's estate when he died, therefore…when God dies, Jesus would inherit the Heavenly throne and kingdom,..except that God can't Die!!!) and Jesus corrects them by saying:'How so, if the scriotures say ''He called them Gods'' unto whom the word came, what of it if I say, I am the Son of God', even this, WJ and TT use to try, like the hard-eared Jews, lacking in wisdom and understanding, reaching for the things of man, gorging on the putride food of the Abomination who createc the trinity creed.
It has also to be said that many posters do not understand that WJ and TT are not alone in their quest. They have a very powerful supporter. No, it's not Isaiah 1:18…
There are those who post falsely, or in dire ignorance of Scripture, leaning on an idea that is Scrioturally unsupportable.
This has the effect of allowing TT and WJ to gain victories over these naive posters and boost their own idea that they must be right because they have beaten a non-trinitarian.
Of course, they claim the victory also over ALL nontrinis even though it is clearly obvious that there are many variations of nontrinis.I have suggested they confine their victory dance to the grave of the 'one' they defeated and not stain others in their rare chance at extolling false glory of a false threesome god.
Two things everyone needs to care with:
1) Bare in mind, always, that the wicked one can appear as an angrl of light. Bare in mind that WJ and TT could unwittingly reveal the truth of a matter, TT is doing this right now!
A kneejerk reaction is to say 'if he is posting that then I must oppose it, it must be trini-based! Ho, not necesarily so.
Check the FACTS of the post, read with earnest yearning for Scriptural Truth, ask God through Jesus for the support and guidance of the Holy Spirit.
And, if you discover either or both are speaking truth, acknowledge it, don't do what they do, denigrade truth, poo poo it just ad a way of attacking or hoping to shame the poster into thinking they might be wrong.
If you have the Holy Spirit, do not try to be smart, let the force f-l-o-w through you, f-e-e-l it's power, and post what it guides you to post and you cannot go wrong. It doesn't mean you will win outright because you won't know – WJ and TT will just snake away.2) No matter what the outcome, learn from the experience. Did you put a good post, was it scripturally backed, was it 'cleanly' presented, what are the real things that WJ and TT throwing back at you, are they well founded or just 'dirt', a smokescreen to cover their escape from the truth?
Above all, be careful out there – stay safe!
Quote (JustAskin @ April 10 2010,12:00) To everyone, It is quite clear that TT and WJ have nowhere to turn in their belief in the trinity.
Over the past months since I joined, TT and WJ have done nothing more than spouted the same nonesense over and over, in complete disregard to Scriptural Truth that has been shown to them.
They are able to do this by posting in multiple topics the same miscreated ideas, ususally as a rebuff to what someone else has written.
When they are proved to be wrong in one place they simply ignore the Scripturally upheld renderings and, TT in particular, then just attacks a minor flaw in the poster's argument, or sometimes just post a nonesense post back to make it look like they have some issue to contend.
Additionally, they wait for another passing newbie and leach their acrid false testament on them. Witness TT attacking one of the 'paduwan learners' in this forum, like Anakin Skywalker killing the youngling Jedi.
I've told TT that he is very close to the darkside already.
Just Ask… him this question:
“As what did Jesus die: God or Man”?Now, if you know your Scriptures you will know that only a perfect Man could take on the sins of Mankind and die to save Mankind: Perfect Sinless Man sacrificed for Imperfect Sinful Man.
Now, WJ and TT say that Jesus was/is God even after Jesus calls himself 'Son of Man' and when the Jews mistakenly claim that Jesus was making himself equal to God by saying he was the 'Son of God' (the Jews had a tradition that claim the senior son inherited the major part of their father's estate when he died, therefore…when God dies, Jesus would inherit the Heavenly throne and kingdom,..except that God can't Die!!!) and Jesus corrects them by saying:'How so, if the scriotures say ''He called them Gods'' unto whom the word came, what of it if I say, I am the Son of God', even this, WJ and TT use to try, like the hard-eared Jews, lacking in wisdom and understanding, reaching for the things of man, gorging on the putride food of the Abomination who createc the trinity creed.
It has also to be said that many posters do not understand that WJ and TT are not alone in their quest. They have a very powerful supporter. No, it's not Isaiah 1:18…
There are those who post falsely, or in dire ignorance of Scripture, leaning on an idea that is Scrioturally unsupportable.
This has the effect of allowing TT and WJ to gain victories over these naive posters and boost their own idea that they must be right because they have beaten a non-trinitarian.
Of course, they claim the victory also over ALL nontrinis even though it is clearly obvious that there are many variations of nontrinis.I have suggested they confine their victory dance to the grave of the 'one' they defeated and not stain others in their rare chance at extolling false glory of a false threesome god.
Two things everyone needs to care with:
1) Bare in mind, always, that the wicked one can appear as an angrl of light. Bare in mind that WJ and TT could unwittingly reveal the truth of a matter, TT is doing this right now!
A kneejerk reaction is to say 'if he is posting that then I must oppose it, it must be trini-based! Ho, not necesarily so.
Check the FACTS of the post, read with earnest yearning for Scriptural Truth, ask God through Jesus for the support and guidance of the Holy Spirit.
And, if you discover either or both are speaking truth, acknowledge it, don't do what they do, denigrade truth, poo poo it just ad a way of attacking or hoping to shame the poster into thinking they might be wrong.
If you have the Holy Spirit, do not try to be smart, let the force f-l-o-w through you, f-e-e-l it's power, and post what it guides you to post and you cannot go wrong. It doesn't mean you will win outright because you won't know – WJ and TT will just snake away.2) No matter what the outcome, learn from the experience. Did you put a good post, was it scripturally backed, was it 'cleanly' presented, what are the real things that WJ and TT throwing back at you, are they well founded or just 'dirt', a smokescreen to cover their escape from the truth?
Above all, be careful out there – stay safe!
Before I read this post I said essentially the same thing about thinker in another thread (Elohyim and Echad) I am glad to see others notice the rehashing and nonsense that is prevalent in thinker's posts. Good post Askin.Quote (JustAskin @ April 09 2010,20:00) To everyone, It is quite clear that TT and WJ have nowhere to turn in their belief in the trinity.
Over the past months since I joined, TT and WJ have done nothing more than spouted the same nonesense over and over, in complete disregard to Scriptural Truth that has been shown to them.
They are able to do this by posting in multiple topics the same miscreated ideas, ususally as a rebuff to what someone else has written.
When they are proved to be wrong in one place they simply ignore the Scripturally upheld renderings and, TT in particular, then just attacks a minor flaw in the poster's argument, or sometimes just post a nonesense post back to make it look like they have some issue to contend.
Additionally, they wait for another passing newbie and leach their acrid false testament on them. Witness TT attacking one of the 'paduwan learners' in this forum, like Anakin Skywalker killing the youngling Jedi.
I've told TT that he is very close to the darkside already.
Just Ask… him this question:
“As what did Jesus die: God or Man”?Now, if you know your Scriptures you will know that only a perfect Man could take on the sins of Mankind and die to save Mankind: Perfect Sinless Man sacrificed for Imperfect Sinful Man.
Now, WJ and TT say that Jesus was/is God even after Jesus calls himself 'Son of Man' and when the Jews mistakenly claim that Jesus was making himself equal to God by saying he was the 'Son of God' (the Jews had a tradition that claim the senior son inherited the major part of their father's estate when he died, therefore…when God dies, Jesus would inherit the Heavenly throne and kingdom,..except that God can't Die!!!) and Jesus corrects them by saying:'How so, if the scriotures say ''He called them Gods'' unto whom the word came, what of it if I say, I am the Son of God', even this, WJ and TT use to try, like the hard-eared Jews, lacking in wisdom and understanding, reaching for the things of man, gorging on the putride food of the Abomination who createc the trinity creed.
It has also to be said that many posters do not understand that WJ and TT are not alone in their quest. They have a very powerful supporter. No, it's not Isaiah 1:18…
There are those who post falsely, or in dire ignorance of Scripture, leaning on an idea that is Scrioturally unsupportable.
This has the effect of allowing TT and WJ to gain victories over these naive posters and boost their own idea that they must be right because they have beaten a non-trinitarian.
Of course, they claim the victory also over ALL nontrinis even though it is clearly obvious that there are many variations of nontrinis.I have suggested they confine their victory dance to the grave of the 'one' they defeated and not stain others in their rare chance at extolling false glory of a false threesome god.
Two things everyone needs to care with:
1) Bare in mind, always, that the wicked one can appear as an angrl of light. Bare in mind that WJ and TT could unwittingly reveal the truth of a matter, TT is doing this right now!
A kneejerk reaction is to say 'if he is posting that then I must oppose it, it must be trini-based! Ho, not necesarily so.
Check the FACTS of the post, read with earnest yearning for Scriptural Truth, ask God through Jesus for the support and guidance of the Holy Spirit.
And, if you discover either or both are speaking truth, acknowledge it, don't do what they do, denigrade truth, poo poo it just ad a way of attacking or hoping to shame the poster into thinking they might be wrong.
If you have the Holy Spirit, do not try to be smart, let the force f-l-o-w through you, f-e-e-l it's power, and post what it guides you to post and you cannot go wrong. It doesn't mean you will win outright because you won't know – WJ and TT will just snake away.2) No matter what the outcome, learn from the experience. Did you put a good post, was it scripturally backed, was it 'cleanly' presented, what are the real things that WJ and TT throwing back at you, are they well founded or just 'dirt', a smokescreen to cover their escape from the truth?
Above all, be careful out there – stay safe!
Jiberish form a theological coward!A bully in the school yard who pretends that he is some sort of prophet!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 10 2010,05:44) Quote (david @ April 09 2010,03:14) Quote And he called the name of the place Massah, and Meribah, because of the chiding of the children of Israel, and because they “tempted (Heb-nacah) ” the LORD, saying, Is the LORD among us, or not? Exod 17:7 Ye shall not “tempt (Heb-nacah)” the LORD your God, as ye tempted (Heb-nacah) him in Massah. Deut 6:16
When your fathers “tempted (Heb-nacah)” me, proved me, and saw my work. Pss 95:9
WJ, how would you define the use of the word that is translated “tempted” in these verses?
Would it be the same meaning where Jesus was tempted to do bad?
What is your definition or meaning of the word in those instances above?
DavidWould it be wrong to tempt a man to the point he wanted to kill you?
YHWH was tempted to the point that he did kill them. But he is God so who can say he is a murderer. He gives life and he takes it away. But he can be tempted!
Jesus was tempted by satan from without, but there was nothing in him to respond. It was not a hard thing for him who had the Spirit without measure to resist him! It was a hard thing to be without food for 40 days!
WJ
I would like more research on the use of that word as used with reference to God.To me, when I read it in context, it seems to mean “challenged,” not “tempted” as we understand it today.
I just checked:
(Heb. 'nacah'—'to try, put to the test, provoke, etc.')None of those things mean to “tempt” as we commonly understand it today.
My Bible translates it “put to the test.” It seems to mean “put to the test.”
http://westover.searchgodsword.org/lex….ion=nsn
WJ, are you quoting from the KJ by any chance?
Quote And he called the name of the place Massah, and Meribah, because of the chiding of the children of Israel, and because they “tempted (Heb-nacah) ” the LORD, saying, Is the LORD among us, or not? Exod 17:7 Ye shall not “tempt (Heb-nacah)” the LORD your God, as ye tempted (Heb-nacah) him in Massah. Deut 6:16
When your fathers “tempted (Heb-nacah)” me, proved me, and saw my work. Pss 95:9
The Hebrew word “nacah” was translated in the Greek Septuagint as “πειράζειν” peirazō which is the same Greek word used in James 1:13-15 and Matt 4:1-11 where Jesus was “tempted” of the devil.
I now see what's going on here.
Both God and Jesus were “put to the test” but in different ways.
Jesus was put to the test by Satan tempting him.
God was put to the test, not in a temptation, but in more of a challenge.
Sometimes words can be used in more than one way.
We understand this in English, but when we play around with Hebrew words, it's easy to trick people.It's fun to play around with translations. Which translation was it? How many translations translate the Hebrew that way?
BOTH GOD AND JESUS WERE “PUT TO THE TEST.” But only Jesus was put to the test in the form of being tempted.Quite the lovely false argument. It was actually sort of clever for a second or two.
Quote WJ how can you temp someone who own you and that you can not reach??
It does seem a ridiculous notion. What can you tempt him with? Gold?
You cannot tempt God. You can challenge him.
Quote (david @ April 10 2010,15:27) Quote And he called the name of the place Massah, and Meribah, because of the chiding of the children of Israel, and because they “tempted (Heb-nacah) ” the LORD, saying, Is the LORD among us, or not? Exod 17:7 Ye shall not “tempt (Heb-nacah)” the LORD your God, as ye tempted (Heb-nacah) him in Massah. Deut 6:16
When your fathers “tempted (Heb-nacah)” me, proved me, and saw my work. Pss 95:9
The Hebrew word “nacah” was translated in the Greek Septuagint as “πειράζειν” peirazō which is the same Greek word used in James 1:13-15 and Matt 4:1-11 where Jesus was “tempted” of the devil.
I now see what's going on here.
Both God and Jesus were “put to the test” but in different ways.
Jesus was put to the test by Satan tempting him.
God was put to the test, not in a temptation, but in more of a challenge.
Sometimes words can be used in more than one way.
We understand this in English, but when we play around with Hebrew words, it's easy to trick people.It's fun to play around with translations. Which translation was it? How many translations translate the Hebrew that way?
BOTH GOD AND JESUS WERE “PUT TO THE TEST.” But only Jesus was put to the test in the form of being tempted.Quite the lovely false argument. It was actually sort of clever for a second or two.
One thing stands out against WJ and Thinker.
If they are correct and Jesus was not tempted to do evil – then he was not tempted in all ways like other men for all men are tempted to do evil.
This of course is a major contradiction with other scriptures.Quote (martian @ April 11 2010,01:58) Quote (david @ April 10 2010,15:27) Quote And he called the name of the place Massah, and Meribah, because of the chiding of the children of Israel, and because they “tempted (Heb-nacah) ” the LORD, saying, Is the LORD among us, or not? Exod 17:7 Ye shall not “tempt (Heb-nacah)” the LORD your God, as ye tempted (Heb-nacah) him in Massah. Deut 6:16
When your fathers “tempted (Heb-nacah)” me, proved me, and saw my work. Pss 95:9
The Hebrew word “nacah” was translated in the Greek Septuagint as “πειράζειν” peirazō which is the same Greek word used in James 1:13-15 and Matt 4:1-11 where Jesus was “tempted” of the devil.
I now see what's going on here.
Both God and Jesus were “put to the test” but in different ways.
Jesus was put to the test by Satan tempting him.
God was put to the test, not in a temptation, but in more of a challenge.
Sometimes words can be used in more than one way.
We understand this in English, but when we play around with Hebrew words, it's easy to trick people.It's fun to play around with translations. Which translation was it? How many translations translate the Hebrew that way?
BOTH GOD AND JESUS WERE “PUT TO THE TEST.” But only Jesus was put to the test in the form of being tempted.Quite the lovely false argument. It was actually sort of clever for a second or two.
One thing stands out against WJ and Thinker.
If they are correct and Jesus was not tempted to do evil – then he was not tempted in all ways like other men for all men are tempted to do evil.
This of course is a major contradiction with other scriptures.
Martianyou know better,this is WJ and TT twisting and have the bible rotating on a coin of a word,
they are not right ,just as the trinity is pagan and not right.
if they prove to be right ok.
so let them do it the rules ,they have to prove their theory trough out the bible ,constancy,and clear application in there
view.can't do it they will be called liars.
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