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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 28 2013,22:33) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 28 2013,05:26) Quote (2besee @ Sep. 28 2013,15:18) Quote T,
Sorry, I am not sure what you are saying.
What does pad mean?Pad means home.
PAD WAY, MANY PEOPLE ARE CROSSING THEIR PAD ,
Perhaps you meant “path”, as in: We must walk a righteous path.
yes,Mikethanks,
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 28 2013,22:33) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 28 2013,05:26) Quote (2besee @ Sep. 28 2013,15:18) Quote T,
Sorry, I am not sure what you are saying.
What does pad mean?Pad means home.
PAD WAY, MANY PEOPLE ARE CROSSING THEIR PAD ,
Perhaps you meant “path”, as in: We must walk a righteous path.
Mike and T,Thank you.
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 28 2013,17:20) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 28 2013,14:24) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 28 2013,09:40) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 28 2013,08:26) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 28 2013,06:21) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 28 2013,04:06) 2besee, Quote The only time I get fired up at times is on forums. I mean, in real life I have not encountered other Christians telling me or others that they are lost and not saved, have you? Being anonymous encourage people to talk more freely and I find writing on a computer aids me to keep more cool than I am by nature.
A person that tells you that you are lost or or not saved is judgmental as God is the judge. There are wiser ways to say they disagree with your words and or actions. They also need to seek a wiser heart to go with the words.
That is their choice but you are not to do as they do, even though they provoke you. Remember as long as you speak the truth in love these words are for you.
Matthew 5:11
New International Version (NIV)11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
kQuote Matthew 5:11
New International Version (NIV)11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
is this scriptures not directly refers to the persecution of the faith
so not really addresses the ones that disagree with you right
not all are raffine in speech as you are K. me i see thing in a raw version black and white when i disagree i can also produce why ;
i also notices that you see the scriptures differently than i do ; you see them in a fragmented way and so interpret them in that way ;while i see them as a whole and it really bugs me at some of the conclusions some of you can take in scriptures ;
but yes i learn to keep it silence
T,That passage is for any believer that is punished for doing right.
We are to judge the life and doctrine of ourselves and others but not the person.
God is my witness that I seek harmony in doctrine.
Ki believe that we can judge everything in our pad ,but we cannot be the judge of the live of others this judgment belong to God ,
he (God) his the life giver not us .
T,Sorry, I am not sure what you are saying.
What does pad mean?
When you say life do you mean the way a person lives or if they will have eternal life or not?
I MEAN WITHIN OUR OWN LIVES AND ACTION (PAD)THE JUDGMENT OF LIVE AND DEAD ON A PERSON ;THIS DOES NOT BELONG TO US
T,Sounds like we are in agreement.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 28 2013,17:26) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 28 2013,19:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 28 2013,11:55) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 28 2013,10:36) Wakeup, Quote
How are we to EAT HIS *FLESH* AND *DRINK* HIS BLOOD?
For you say that his flesh is *flesh and bone*.
And his blood.??Literally the bread from heaven is the Spirit but speaking in another way is can be either Jesus or the words he speaks since by both the spirit is gained and lived by.
Galatians 5:19-24
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
It is either his words and his faith we must consume or his Spirit and his faith. The two are different ways of saying essentially the same thing.
Kerwin.You are twisting and turning,
at will.You said that Chist is still flesh.
His body is flesh.Jesus said;we are to eat *his flesh* and *drink his blood*.
How are we to eat his flesh?
Are we cannibals?Now you are twisting **back to spirit**,saying that we are to eat his spirit.(spin).
For my *FLESH* is meat indeed.
Not my spirit but, but my flesh.*Not* my *spirit* is meat indeed.(another spin).
And my *BLOOD* is drink indeed. john6:55.
IF HIS FLESH IS *FLESH AND BONE*;HOW ARE WE
TO CHEW ON HIM.wakeup.
Wakeup,You now seem to be claiming there is spirit flesh and spirit blood and we are to consume both. He is not instructing us to eat literal flesh or drink literal blood of any kind. In fact it is sinful to consume the blood of even a beast.
Jesus is not speaking literal, he is speaking in allegories. Bread, flesh, and blood each symbolizes something else. He does it quite commonly.
In this case they are symbolizing things of Jesus that bring life. I named three of his things that bring life which are his Spirit, his words, and his faith. For evidence, I quoted from Galatians 5 that bears witness that the Spirit gives life.
You can chew on words.
Quote …and chew on words that nourish your writer’s heart.
Note: Quote from Sandra Heskaking's blog.
Kerwin.No spinning please
You said that Jesus is now flesh and blood.
Jesus said: **my flesh** is ****meat indeed****,
and **my blood** *****is drink indeed*****.You say his flesh is meat, and his blood you fail to explain(?).
*NOT* my spirit.(this is twisting and spining words).
I am the bread,(my body): *NOT* my spirit is the bread.
You dont need to explain yourself: just the scriptures.
wakeup.
Wakeup,It is not twisting words it using one word to mean another. Jesus was speaking to those Jews while in his mere flesh and blood body not while in his Spiritual flesh and bone body and he definitely was not advocating the consume it.
What he does say is:
John 6:57
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
It is by the Spirit believers live in Jesus Anointed and the Spirit of Christ is lived by.
John 6:58
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
The ones who live by the Spirit will live forever.
We receive and live by the Spirit through faith in Jesus' words.
There is only one way to live forever.
Note: If I am not understanding you correctly then please help me understand.
Kerwin.
The ones who live by the Spirit will live forever.
We receive and live by the Spirit through faith in Jesus' words.
There is only one way to live forever.
Note: If I am not understanding you correctly then please help me understand.*ONE WHO LIVE BY THE SPIRIT WILL LIVE FOREVER*.
*YOU SAID IT*. HIS BODY IS SPIRIT FOR HE IS THE **WORD** OF GOD,WHICH IS SPIRIT.WE OUGHT TO EAT THE WORDS OF POWER IN PRINT, AND FILL OURSELVES WITH THE SPIRIT.
SO WE WILL BE ONE WITH HIM.JESUS LIVED BY THE FATHER,AND WE LIVE BY HIM.
*MY FOOD IS TO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER*.THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK TO YOU;THEY ARE SPIRIT;
AND THEY ARE LIFE.
IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT QUICKENS.
THE FLESH PROFITETH NOTHING.wakeup.
Mike,
The ones who deny the true resurrection of Jesus' flesh also deny the power of God – and that today is the JWs. Of such Paul told us to keep away.
As soon as I get my computer connected to the Internet I will be coming back to this thread to prove you and Wakeup and Journey as WRONG.
The early church writings is an excellent starting point, and if you had any concern for truth, you would investigate. Not that early church writings surpass any scripture, but they do give us an idea as to what the early church believed.
To say that flesh and bone cannot be changed, and enter Heaven, is to say that things are impossible to God – but with God ANYTHING is possible.
Would you also say that it is impossible for Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego to be thrown into a fiery pit and to survive the burning, because it goes against reality?
Don't DENY the power with the teachings of men, Mike. You are easily led astray.
I will be back with a proper study maybe when my computer is up an running.
*Apologies about the edits. The wrong words enter, and I forget to check.
To say that flesh and bone changed be changed and enter Heaven is to say that things are impossible to God – but with God ANYTHING is possible.
THAT'S NONSENSE;WE KNOW AND BELIEVE
THAT GOD CAN DO ANYTHING.
THE FACT IS THAT RESURRECTION *IN THE FLESH*,
IS NOT IN SCRIPTURE.THIS IS WHY WE DONT BELIEVE.THE FACT IS THAT YOU ARE IGNORING OR TWISTING WHAT SCRIPTURES, REALLY SAYS.
BECAUSE IT DOES NOT FIT IN YOUR DOCTRINE.
IT WILL NOT FIT, AND NEVER CAN FIT IN,
NO MATTER WHAT YOU TRY TO ADD ON.
THE SCRIPTURES CAN NOT BE BROKEN.wakeup.
Quote While KarMarie was more like
milquetoast, claiming that everyone was okay
in the eyes of God, no matter what they
believedWhat if(whoops!)Quote (2besee @ Sep. 29 2013,10:29) Wakeup, you are a deceiver AND YOU KNOW IT.
You can not proof it with your doctrine.
Nor the scripptures.wakeup.
Wakeup,
MY doctrines?
Belief in the resurrection of Jesus in the flesh is one of the key doctrines of Christianity, and was CLEARLY taught by Christ and the apostles and the earliest church – right up untill today. Yet you say otherwise.Wakeup,
As was water baptism for the Jew and gentile, but you disagree with that also.
Should I go on?Quote (2besee @ Sep. 29 2013,04:44) Mike, The ones who deny the true resurrection of Jesus' flesh also deny the power of God – and that today is the JWs. Of such Paul told us to keep away.
As soon as I get my computer connected to the Internet I will be coming back to this thread to prove you and Wakeup and Journey as WRONG.
The early church writings is an excellent starting point, and if you had any concern for truth, you would investigate. Not that early church writings surpass any scripture, but they do give us an idea as to what the early church believed.
To say that flesh and bone cannot be changed, and enter Heaven, is to say that things are impossible to God – but with God ANYTHING is possible.
Would you also say that it is impossible for Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego to be thrown into a fiery pit and to survive the burning, because it goes against reality?
Don't DENY the power with the teachings of men, Mike. You are easily led astray.
I will be back with a proper study maybe when my computer is up an running.
*Apologies about the edits. The wrong words enter, and I forget to check.
2beeyou are not saying all of the story ,and take conclusion of incomplete story ,and call other of going astray when it is you that is going astray ;
1) why would God change his ways if he does not wanted
and why if he says no ,why would it be that his power would be now less2)Da 3:16 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to the king, “O Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter.
Da 3:17 If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to save us from it, and he will rescue us from your hand, O king.
Da 3:18 But even if he does not, we want you to know, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.this is a more accurate copy of the story and focused on the truth
Quote The ones who deny the true resurrection of Jesus' flesh also deny the power of God what do you think his the true resurrection of Christ
Quote (2besee @ Sep. 29 2013,13:18) Wakeup,
As was water baptism for the Jew and gentile, but you disagree with that also.
Should I go on?
Besee.Dont start twisting my words.
I BELIEVE IN WATER BABTISM.
What I dont believe is, You saying born
of the spirit is born again at baptism.john 3.You are also twisting Jesus own words.
He said born of the spirit is spirit.
But you can not proof that you are spirit.
You still bleed when cut.
What are spirits doing on earth?
You suppose to be in heaven.What is the need for your resurrection,
You are already quickened.wakeup.
Terraricca,
I believe that Jesus was raised from the dead in the flesh and bone. He was not a spirit. He then ascended to Heaven, and was presented before God.Touch me and see. A spirit does not have flesh and bone like you see that I have.
Do not hold on to me , for I have not yet
ascended to the Father. (John 20:17)Then I saw a Lamb, looking
as if it had been slain, standing
at the center of the throne,
encircled by the four living
creatures and the elders. (Revelation 5:6 and Daniel 7:13)Do you think that Jesus was raised as a spirit being from the dead, and then he ascended to the Father as a spirit?
Wakeup,
I have a whole thread to show that you disagreed with water baptism being a commandment of Jesus and the disciples, etc.
Should we revisit it? No!Quote (2besee @ Sep. 29 2013,16:12) Wakeup,
I have a whole thread to show that you disagreed with water baptism being a commandment of Jesus and the disciples, etc.
Should we revisit it? No!
2Besee.You are the accuser;I am the accused.
*You,* must come with the evidence.wakeup.
Wakeup, sorry. Did you not teach that to be born again of “water” is NOT water baptism?
Did you not say that being born again of water is being born from your mothers womb?Quote (2besee @ Sep. 29 2013,05:29) Wakeup, you are a deceiver AND YOU KNOW IT.
2besee,A gentler rebuke might serve God better. For example the teachings you choose to hold to are false and you should know it. We are to slow to anger and in our anger we are not to sin. Lessons I too am learning.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 29 2013,05:07) THE FACT IS THAT RESURRECTION *IN THE FLESH*,
IS NOT IN SCRIPTURE.THIS IS WHY WE DON'T BELIEVE.
Wakeup,Why are you yelling? Bold is a better tool for emphasis.
Resurrection in the flesh is rather common in Scripture. You choose not believe it for your own reasons. Jesus and many saints were raised in the same day.
None of those that agree with you can address the fact that angels, who you call spirits, can eat and drink even though Jesus used those very things to prove he was not a spirit. That choice to be ignorant is why I chose to start this thread.
Jesus did not say I am not a spirit yet but I soon will become one. If that was the case then what is the big case about being flesh and bone and not a spirit.
Why were the disciple accused of not believing when they believed Jesus was a Spirit.
How is flesh saved when it is abolished?
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