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Hi,
Gen 4
1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.2And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
3And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
4And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
5But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
6And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
8And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
9And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
10And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
11And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
12When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
13And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
15And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
16And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Colter has made this point in another thread.
“Adam and Eve arrived on a previously populated world, that is why Adams son Cain was afraid to leave the garden lest anyone who find him kill him.
You will notice that death came to Adam and Eve specifically, they lost their immortality status to the sin. Men and women already lived and died long before Adam and Eve came to our world. The geological record proves that this earth is quite old and man evolved according to Gods plan over a period of millions of years.”
Cain was not fully aware of the mortal state of man and natural death was a foreign concept to him. Men lived up to 1000 years old [1Day] and could reproduce once a year or so would quickly populate the planet. I also think it unlikely that a cold dark planet could have brought forth life previous to Adam.
Hi,
Was Lamech the second fruit?
Gen4
23And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.24If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
Hi colter,
How many children did Adam have?
When were they born?How long did Cain take to find a wife?
Was his wife a descendant of his father?Hi,
Indeed Cain was of the kingdom of darkness.1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.Cain offered the correct ritual sacrifices but they were not acceptable.
Gen4
5But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.6And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
Jude 1:11
Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of CoreQuote (Colter @ April 14 2008,23:04) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,12:43) Hi colter,
How many children did Adam have?
When were they born?How long did Cain take to find a wife?
Was his wife a descendant of his father?
Good Morning Nick,In the chronology of Genesis Adam had Cain and Able first.
The real truth is that Cain was the bastard child of Eves folly but that's beyond the scope of what we are talking about.
It makes perfect sense that Cain would be nervous about his decision to leave his home after he killed his half brother for the Nodites were natural enemies of the second Garden dwellers.
Colter
Greetings Colter…..You have got my attention….When you speak of Eves'folly….Who are you refering to as being the father of the bastard child….Hi colter,
And you believe this stuff?Gal1
6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Hi colter,
Parts of the book of mormon is even more like the bible than your book.
In fact whole sections of Ezekiel were copied into it to spice it up.
It somehow fails to give it that ring of authenticity though.Lies are so commonplace.
Hi Colter!
I'm curious as to what the plan of salvation is in your religion. Do you believe in Messiah's death and resurrection? Are the “Nodites” and those who inhabited the earth before Adam and Eve still with us? Are there new gods creating new people all the time? Is there even any need for salvation? Why are we here and what is our purpose?
Oh! almost forgot! You said that Eve's sin was sexual relations with another person that already existed. But scripture says that Adam partook of the fruit too… did he have sex with this same person? How does it line up?
What does this mean for you? What is your purpose here on earth? Do you believe in sin and redemption?
This all sounds very much like science fiction fantasy. I am not picking on you, Colter; I am just wondering what the point of all this is. What do these doctrines do for you? Is it just the gaining of knowledge that saves you? What do you do with all of this?
The reason that I ask is because in the scriptures, salvation is for a purpose. It produces fruit. It changes your life and in turn it changes other's lives as you spread the good news. [This is according to scripture, not according to what happens in churches today. There are many dead churches but that does not negate the truth of the good news.]
Faith without deeds is dead. Knowledge without love is useless. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.
The reason for my questions is that we could talk doctrine till we are blue in the face, but the thing that really matters is the fruit of our lives.
1 Cor 4:20
20 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power
NIVMuch love,
ShaniaHi Colter,
It isn't the stories so much that sound far fetched and sci fi.
In many instances they do fill in the unknown blank spots in scriptures.
It is the names of people and places that make the UB sound like a science fiction book.Tim
* I may get Cato's attention with this one*
You cannot have a logical arguement if you cannot agree on a premise. Deductive reasoning says that you have to agree on a premise, make a point from there, and the building blocks go on and on.
To the believers:
Trying to reason with Colter about scripture will not get you anywhere. You cannot agree on a premise. He does not see the Scriptures as authority over the UB. You come from a premise of scripture as authority…I think that you are wasting your time. You will not get anywhere.
To Cato (my logic-loving friend)
Salvation is by faith. You cannot prove the existence of God. [logically] Man's wisdom is not His wisdom.
Hi,
Gen4
1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.2And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
3And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
4And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
5But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
6And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
8And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
9And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
Was not jealousy the root cause of the path of Cain into murder and lies?
Did he not fail the test and commit to Satan's ways?
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