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You are all already (It seems) trying to teach others that baptism of water is not needed but I do not see this in any scriptures.
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 30 2012,19:16) You are all already (It seems) trying to teach others that baptism of water is not needed but I do not see this in any scriptures.
2Besee.Are you trying to twist things against me?
Where have I said that water babtism is not needed?wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 31 2012,06:23) Hi Wakeup,
Is water baptism needed, IYO?
Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Luke 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
You try to make me answer y/n
on a more complicated subject.The thief on the cross was not babtised,was he?
If it was possible he would like to be babtised by john.
But rather NOT babtised by a wicked pastor.The babtism by the Holy spirit means that God had done it. And he knows who is worthy.
wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 30 2012,14:12) You cannot help them by judging.
Why judge from a distance, when you could instead be patiently (and very kindly) leading them.
(IF you believe that you know more than them)
is that what Christ did
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,09:03) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 31 2012,06:23) Hi Wakeup,
Is water baptism needed, IYO?
Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Luke 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
You try to make me answer y/n
on a more complicated subject.The thief on the cross was not babtised,was he?
If it was possible he would like to be babtised by john.
But rather NOT babtised by a wicked pastor.The babtism by the Holy spirit means that God had done it. And he knows who is worthy.
wakeup.
Mark 16:16
'He that believes and is baptized shall be saved'Acts 2:38
'Then Peter said to them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.'baptizó: to dip, sink
Original Word: βαπτίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: baptizó
Phonetic Spelling: (bap-tid'-zo)
Short Definition: I dip, submerge, baptize
Definition: lit: I dip, submerge, but specifically of ceremonial dipping; I baptize.http://biblos.com/mark/16-16.htm
Quote The thief on the cross was not babtised,was he? He wasn't? How do you know that?
And if He was not baptized, then He had no time or the ability to be baptized did He?
We do have time.Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2012,09:12) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 30 2012,14:12) You cannot help them by judging.
Why judge from a distance, when you could instead be patiently (and very kindly) leading them.
(IF you believe that you know more than them)
is that what Christ did
Correct. My post was more to Devo though.Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 28 2011,11:13) Born of water is being interpreted as babtism?
Romans 6:4
'We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.'Quote (2besee @ Dec. 31 2012,07:45) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 28 2011,11:13) Born of water is being interpreted as babtism?
Romans 6:4
'We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.'
2Besee.You consider one that is babtised with water as born again.
Is that right?So you can not say you will be born again in the resurrection.right?
Because this only makes you born again and again.
Jesus said AGAIN;not again and again.How many christians in this world are babtised you think.
Are they all born again in your opinion?
are they all saved? no.What about the babtised christians Jesus called the luke warm; are they not all babtised with water? Most of them are. ARE THEY SAVED? NO.sO WHAT SPIRITUAL POWER DOES WATER HAVE.
So what is the significance of water babtism.
its jut a symbol of repentance.We need to be babtised with the Holy spirit.
The apostles were all babtised with water,but they could not understand Jesus speach; untill they were babtised with the Holy spirit.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:
Without re-posting what I have stated relative to Judgement, I will try to answer your questions here:
Every generation had a revelation of God and had an opportunity to repent during their life time. Those who lived during the time of Adam and Eve had their testimony about God and what happened in the Garden of Eden. As I stated Abel may have been in right standing with God when he was murdered by Cain, and may be saved in the resurrection. Enoch repented and walked with God 360 years, and God took him, and so we see that he was saved. Obviously, he knew about God. Noah and his family were saved by the arc, and so obviously, he knew God, and God said he was righteous and found grace in the sight of the Lord. He preached to those who lived during his life time as he built the arc 120 years, and the people had an opportunity to repent and get on board the arc during this time. They did not repent, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
The greater the revelation of God's plan for the redemption of humanity, the greater the severity of the judgement.
You asked: Where are they? The are dead, if they did not repent.
The scripture states relative to those during this period of time:
Quote Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Sin is not imputed where there is no law because the Law is knowledge of sin, and it means since they did not have the Law, they will not be judged for each individual sin or transgression of the Law, but the scripture states that death did reign. God said to Adam when he rendered judgement to him and Eve:
Quote Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life; Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return
Jesus stated the following:
Quote Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
I ask you. Where are those of Sodom and Ghomorrah whom God judged in the Old Testament? This is what Jude states:
Quote Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Those under the Law of Moses were judged by the Law. They who were faithful will be born again when the Lord comes for the church. They were not born again during their life time because the Holy Spirit was not given because Jesus had been glorified during their life time.
Quote Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Hbr 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Hbr 10:31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God
Judgement from the time of Jesus ministry until he comes for the church is with held until the end times. Jesus said this:
Quote Jhn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
I did not say that those who were alive and not saved would be judged by the trumpets, but by the seven last plagues. The trumpets are judgements mingled with mercy.
Jesus will come for the church at the sound of the last trumpet.
The first resurrection is for all those who saved from the beginning until the time of the resurrection. The second resurrection is for those who are not saved who have not been judged. They will be udged according to their works. They will be destroyed. They will not burn forever and ever as some preach. They will be punished according to the works of their life.
Quote Luk 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for [him], and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes].
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
Quote Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and
hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire
Quote Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Love in Christ,
MartyMarty.
First of all Jesus said; NO MAN CAN COME TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME.(every person that had ever lived on earth must go through Jesus).
No man;and this includes the ones that died before and during the flood,will be judged by Jesus.
Therefore there will be a second resurrection,of all nations and tongues,and this will happen 1000yrs after the first resurrection. After gog and magogafter satan is cast in the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet were cast 1000yrs ago. Rev.20:6–15.
The first and the second resurrection are 1000yrs apart.
wakeup.
Wakeup,
'”I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.'
Water and Spirit,
Two things.You are classing the first birth through the Mothers womb as being born of water and then jumping ahead to the 'being born of spirit', whilst missing out the 'water baptism' as was taught by the Disciples and the Apostles.
When we are baptized by water – that is only the beginning. Not all of those who are baptized with water are then born of Spirit. Baptism through water is an important first step to being born of Spirit.
I have shown you some scriptures that show this:
Mark 16:16
'He that believes and is baptized shall be saved'Acts 2:38
'Then Peter said to them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.'Romans 6:4
'We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.'Quote (2besee @ Dec. 31 2012,07:34) Wakeup, '”I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.'
Water and Spirit,
Two things.You are classing the first birth through the Mothers womb as being born of water and then jumping ahead to the 'being born of spirit', whilst missing out the 'water baptism' as was taught by the Disciples and the Apostles.
When we are baptized by water – that is only the beginning. Not all of those who are baptized with water are then born of Spirit. Baptism through water is an important first step to being born of Spirit.
I have shown you some scriptures that show this:
Mark 16:16
'He that believes and is baptized shall be saved'Acts 2:38
'Then Peter said to them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.'Romans 6:4
'We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.'
2beedid you read this scripture
1Co 12:13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
how much water can you drink
changing the baptism of repentance of the Jews into a baptism for all and called it reborn is the same to reinstitute the circumcision,
and we all know that the circumcision is only valid if you follow the law so this is impossible ,so it is impossible to be baptized in water and be saved,
believing in the son of God and producing the fruits of the kingdom IS NOT THE BAPTISM IN WATER ,the baptism does not do more than make you wet,
no one can built his life on a dip in water ,but in the teaching and receiving knowledge we can ,and in trusting God ,and his written word we can ,in applying the word of God in our lives we can ,by living in truth 24/7 we can ,all of this builds our faith ,except a dip in water what create a division ,one of the division well known in scriptures his ;
1Co 1:15 so no one can say that you were baptized into my name.
1Co 1:16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.)religion says that they baptize in Christ
? this is the big lie ,why then are they separated from each other no they baptize in the name of their own church .Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,12:33) Marty. First of all Jesus said; NO MAN CAN COME TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME.(every person that had ever lived on earth must go through Jesus).
No man;and this includes the ones that died before and during the flood,will be judged by Jesus.
Therefore there will be a second resurrection,of all nations and tongues,and this will happen 1000yrs after the first resurrection. After gog and magogafter satan is cast in the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet were cast 1000yrs ago. Rev.20:6–15.
The first and the second resurrection are 1000yrs apart.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The blood that Jesus shed for the remission of our sins washes away the sins of every one who has served God from the beginning of time until the end.
All are part of the body of Christ, and will be raised in the first resurrection.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty
Quote All are part of the body of Christ, and will be raised in the first resurrection could show me were it says that all are part of the body of Christ ;I agree with you that all who are in Christ disregarding if their call is for heaven or the earth ,will be part of the first resurrection ,
as for the body of Christ I can only see 144k
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