Born of water.

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2012,04:06)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2012,23:01) Pierre, To expand on my last post……………… You may right now be “born again”, in the metaphorical way Peter meant. You may have died to Christ, in the metaphorical way that Paul meant. You may have been raised with Christ, in the metaphorical way that Paul meant. You may take up your cross daily, in a metaphorical sense. But you have not LITERALLY been “born again”, of water and spirit, the way Jesus meant in John 3. Mike look what it says ;Jn 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.’” SEE, SEE,SEE, THE KINGDOM NOT IN,IN,IN, HEB 6:4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot *ENTER* into the kingdom of God.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Mike

Jn 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can SEE the kingdom of God unless he is born again.’”NIV

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.KJV

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Jn 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.NIV

Christ says that ONLY IF YOU HAVE BEEN BORN OF WATER AND THE SPIRIT , so this is more an conditional requirement to the following result :SPIRIT GIVES BIRTH TO SPIRIT , so what I understand is that unless you turn your mind and heart towards God in spirit we can not be resurrected into the kingdom of God ,(free of condemnation )

Jn 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit(mens) gives birth to spirit(godly).

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2012,05:00)

Mike Jn 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can SEE the kingdom of God unless he is born again.’”NIV Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.KJV Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Jn 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.NIV Christ says that ONLY IF YOU HAVE BEEN BORN OF WATER AND THE SPIRIT , so this is more an conditional requirement to the following result :SPIRIT GIVES BIRTH TO SPIRIT , so what I understand is that unless you turn your mind and heart towards God in spirit we can not be resurrected into the kingdom of God ,(free of condemnation ) Jn 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit(mens) gives birth to spirit(godly).

Terra.

In that case; how many deformed spirits are there in this world?
For they are all way out from the truth.How can they see the kingdom of God with part of the truth?

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2012,00:30)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2012,05:00) Mike Jn 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can SEE the kingdom of God unless he is born again.’”NIV Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.KJV Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Jn 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.NIV Christ says that ONLY IF YOU HAVE BEEN BORN OF WATER AND THE SPIRIT , so this is more an conditional requirement to the following result :SPIRIT GIVES BIRTH TO SPIRIT , so what I understand is that unless you turn your mind and heart towards God in spirit we can not be resurrected into the kingdom of God ,(free of condemnation ) Jn 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit(mens) gives birth to spirit(godly). Terra. In that case; how many deformed spirits are there in this world? For they are all way out from the truth.How can they see the kingdom of God with part of the truth? wakeup.

how many did you say ,Christ says that there will be saved

[Wakeup]

Revelation 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have WASHED THEIR ROBES, and MADE THEM white in the blood of the Lamb.

THEY WILL BE SAVED, BUT MUST GO THROUGH GREAT TRIBULATION; AND THEN THEIR DIRTY ROBES MADE WHITE.

THEY HAVE MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE,BY NOT ACCEPTING THE MARK.

WHY DO THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION?
BECAUSE THEY MUST MAKE A DEFINITE DECISION,NOT SITTING ON THE FENCE ANYMORE.FOR MANY ARE SITTING ON THE FENCE.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 29 2012,22:31)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2012,14:23) Hi Wakeup, Are you suggesting that Christ couldn't see the “Kingdom of God” until he was resurrected?       (< — please answer) God bless Ed J ED J. Christ came from the kingdom; he was brought down to the earth. Flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Is your answer “No” then?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2012,01:55)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 29 2012,05:31) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2012,14:23) Hi Wakeup, Are you suggesting that Christ couldn't see the “Kingdom of God” until he was resurrected?   God bless Ed J ED J. Christ came from the kingdom; he was brought down to the earth. Flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God. wakeup. That's right, Wakeup.  Jesus came down from heaven. (John 6:38)  And shortly after he gave this teaching, Jesus ascended to where he was before.  (John 6:62, Acts 1:9)   For Pierre and Ed, I have one question: Can you guys, right here and right now, in your flesh bodies, enter the Kingdom of God, or not? John 3:5, 7 5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 7 You must be born again.” As I understand it, unless Ed, Pierre, and 2B can right now enter the Kingdom of God in their flesh, then they have NOT been “born again” in the way Jesus was teaching Nicodemus.

Hi Mike,

I will answer your question with Rom.8:9:

“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit,
 if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.”

Does the “Spirit of God” dwell in you?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2012,04:01)

Pierre, To expand on my last post……………… You may right now be “born again”, in the metaphorical way Peter meant. You may have died to Christ, in the metaphorical way that Paul meant. You may have been raised with Christ, in the metaphorical way that Paul meant. You may take up your cross daily, in a metaphorical sense. But you have not LITERALLY been “born again”, of water and spirit, the way Jesus meant in John 3.

Hi Mike,

Are you suggesting that Jesus and Paul are teaching different doctrine?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2012,03:57)

Revelation 7:13   And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?  Revelation 7:14   And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have WASHED THEIR ROBES, and MADE THEM white in the blood of the Lamb. THEY WILL BE SAVED, BUT MUST GO THROUGH GREAT TRIBULATION; AND THEN THEIR DIRTY ROBES MADE WHITE. THEY HAVE MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE,BY NOT ACCEPTING THE MARK. WHY DO THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION? BECAUSE THEY MUST MAKE A DEFINITE DECISION,NOT SITTING ON THE FENCE ANYMORE.FOR MANY ARE SITTING ON THE FENCE. wakeup.

that is the tribulation of live ,right

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2012,09:36)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 29 2012,22:31) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2012,14:23) Hi Wakeup, Are you suggesting that Christ couldn't see the “Kingdom of God” until he was resurrected?       (< — please answer) God bless Ed J ED J. Christ came from the kingdom; he was brought down to the earth. Flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, Is your answer “No” then? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EdJ.

He can see alright from the beginning;with his knowledge.
If we have enough knowledge we can see also with our spiritual eye,but can not enter in untill the resurrection.

Jesus in the flesh; NO we in the flesh; NO.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2012,09:43)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2012,01:55) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 29 2012,05:31) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2012,14:23) Hi Wakeup, Are you suggesting that Christ couldn't see the “Kingdom of God” until he was resurrected?   God bless Ed J ED J. Christ came from the kingdom; he was brought down to the earth. Flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God. wakeup. That's right, Wakeup.  Jesus came down from heaven. (John 6:38)  And shortly after he gave this teaching, Jesus ascended to where he was before.  (John 6:62, Acts 1:9)   For Pierre and Ed, I have one question: Can you guys, right here and right now, in your flesh bodies, enter the Kingdom of God, or not? John 3:5, 7 5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 7 You must be born again.” As I understand it, unless Ed, Pierre, and 2B can right now enter the Kingdom of God in their flesh, then they have NOT been “born again” in the way Jesus was teaching Nicodemus. Hi Mike, I will answer your question with Rom.8:9: “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit,  if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.” Does the “Spirit of God” dwell in you? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EdJ.

Learn how to decern scriptures.

We live according to the spirit ;not the flesh.
Physically we are still flesh,not spirit yet.

We live as dead to the flesh,but alive in the spirit.
Not an easy thing to do,for most still live according to the will of the flesh.Enjoying an abundant life,therefore spiritually dead.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2012,06:32)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2012,09:43) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2012,01:55) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 29 2012,05:31) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2012,14:23) Hi Wakeup, Are you suggesting that Christ couldn't see the “Kingdom of God” until he was resurrected?   God bless Ed J ED J. Christ came from the kingdom; he was brought down to the earth. Flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God. wakeup. That's right, Wakeup.  Jesus came down from heaven. (John 6:38)  And shortly after he gave this teaching, Jesus ascended to where he was before.  (John 6:62, Acts 1:9)   For Pierre and Ed, I have one question: Can you guys, right here and right now, in your flesh bodies, enter the Kingdom of God, or not? John 3:5, 7 5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 7 You must be born again.” As I understand it, unless Ed, Pierre, and 2B can right now enter the Kingdom of God in their flesh, then they have NOT been “born again” in the way Jesus was teaching Nicodemus. Hi Mike, I will answer your question with Rom.8:9: “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit,  if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.” Does the “Spirit of God” dwell in you? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EdJ. Learn how to decern scriptures. We live according to the spirit ;not the flesh. Physically we are still flesh,not spirit yet. We live as dead to the flesh,but alive in the spirit. Not an easy thing to do,for most still live according to the will of the flesh.Enjoying an abundant life,therefore spiritually dead. wakeup.

SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT YOU ARE STILL NOT FREE .right

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2012,09:43)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2012,01:55) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 29 2012,05:31) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2012,14:23) Hi Wakeup, Are you suggesting that Christ couldn't see the “Kingdom of God” until he was resurrected?   God bless Ed J ED J. Christ came from the kingdom; he was brought down to the earth. Flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God. wakeup. That's right, Wakeup.  Jesus came down from heaven. (John 6:38)  And shortly after he gave this teaching, Jesus ascended to where he was before.  (John 6:62, Acts 1:9)   For Pierre and Ed, I have one question: Can you guys, right here and right now, in your flesh bodies, enter the Kingdom of God, or not? John 3:5, 7 5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 7 You must be born again.” As I understand it, unless Ed, Pierre, and 2B can right now enter the Kingdom of God in their flesh, then they have NOT been “born again” in the way Jesus was teaching Nicodemus. Hi Mike, I will answer your question with Rom.8:9: “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit,  if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.” Does the “Spirit of God” dwell in you? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDj.

Here again;you are not concentrating on the scriptures
you are reading.
Paul in romans 8: said be ye not *IN* the flesh but *in* the spirit. HE DID NOT SAY WE ARE SPIRIT.
FLESH IS STILL MENTIONED.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2012,11:24)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2012,09:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 29 2012,22:31) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2012,14:23) Hi Wakeup, Are you suggesting that Christ couldn't see the “Kingdom of God” until he was resurrected?       (< — please answer) God bless Ed J ED J. Christ came from the kingdom; he was brought down to the earth. Flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, Is your answer “No” then? God bless Ed J EdJ. He can see alright from the beginning;with his knowledge. If we have enough knowledge we can see also with our spiritual eye,but can not enter in untill the resurrection. Jesus in the flesh; NO we in the flesh; NO. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

But Jesus said you cannot see unless you are “Born Again”.  (see John 3:3)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2012,11:32)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2012,09:43) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2012,01:55) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 29 2012,05:31) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2012,14:23) Hi Wakeup, Are you suggesting that Christ couldn't see the “Kingdom of God” until he was resurrected?   God bless Ed J ED J. Christ came from the kingdom; he was brought down to the earth. Flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God. wakeup. That's right, Wakeup.  Jesus came down from heaven. (John 6:38)  And shortly after he gave this teaching, Jesus ascended to where he was before.  (John 6:62, Acts 1:9)   For Pierre and Ed, I have one question: Can you guys, right here and right now, in your flesh bodies, enter the Kingdom of God, or not? John 3:5, 7 5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 7 You must be born again.” As I understand it, unless Ed, Pierre, and 2B can right now enter the Kingdom of God in their flesh, then they have NOT been “born again” in the way Jesus was teaching Nicodemus. Hi Mike, I will answer your question with Rom.8:9: “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit,  if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.” Does the “Spirit of God” dwell in you? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EdJ. Learn how to decern scriptures. We live according to the spirit ;not the flesh. Physically we are still flesh,not spirit yet. We live as dead to the flesh,but alive in the spirit. Not an easy thing to do,for most still live according to the will of the flesh.Enjoying an abundant life,therefore spiritually dead. wakeup.

I see Romans 8:9 doesn't mean too much to you; should we just ignore it?

[terraricca]

wup

you are selling but we do not buy it

[2besee]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 28 2011,11:13)

Born of water is being interpreted as babtism? We are all born of the flesh (water) we came out of our mothers womb,therefore we are flesh.

This is the first birth – born of water (flesh) but the second birth is being born of the water of baptism. When you are baptized in Jesus name, you go into the water for a second time and when you come up out of the water, you are a new person.

This is just the beginning – just as the first earthly birth is just the beginning of life.

So, we have a born again baptized in Jesus name believer (reborn a second time) – but then they must start again – they have to learn – they have to “drink” (truth); they have to “eat” (truth); and they have to learn to “walk” through mistakes that they will no doubt make.  

They will fall over many times, but hopefully soon, they will be “ready” to “listen” and obey – this is the next stage – this is when they will be “born of the spirit”. This is when God “begets them”.

They are not taken up yet, though – they still have much to learn.

[2besee]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 20 2012,23:36)

JESUS: He was the Word MADE FLESH. He was God fearing as soon as he was born,and as his fleshly brain matured, so does his knowledge improved. He was never indoctrinated by going to school.

If you do not believe in water baptism: Jesus was baptized.
Jesus' disciples were baptizing people.

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He was baptised in water simply to follow the law at that time.

Wakeup – Really?

Do you have a scripture for that?

[2besee]

Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 29 2012,13:56)

If all Christians were thus faithful to this process, we would right now, all of us, as teachers, would be speaking the SAME word. But again, we aren't. Which leads back to MATURITY in the spirit, meaning, that as one is GROWING, of course there is expected to be “divisions” of opinions to a degree UNTIL that next growth spurt comes to open our eyes into agreement which leads again back to TEACHING and how one is NOT permitted to teach UNTIL one is FULLY MATURED…thus those still growing & learning, temporarily discerned on any given subject, are safely omitted from teaching thereby unable to muddy the pure waters of truth through impatience towards their desire to teach UNTIL they too come of age…but alas, again, many run ahead who were not YET called, and in so doing, put not only themselves, but others also through their pernicious doctrines at great jeapordy. Problem is, many who were not sent, run ahead and teach as though they were, hoping to be that which they are not…it is called EGO. But only the humble are called to teach… and mostly, these imposters are those who through university degrees have earned their worldly certificates as “men of God” but have put aside & neglected the true path to understanding which is rewarded through LIVING the truth with its many trials & tribulations which imparts wisdom and discernment & humility thus enabling greater patience & forbearance towards those still subject & struggling in their sins, & cancels out self righteousness & ego for it becomes evident to those who have walked before them that they too once struggled & toiled & through grace alone were they able to overcome that which they were enslaved to…meaning, it was through & by God ALONE from whence this victory came & NOT by our own efforts & righteousness. Something the majority of mainstream teachers love to point out to their parishes but exempt themselves from, behaving as though they have earned their place by their own merits. We can study til the cows come home, but until we apply those teachings, deep understanding will NOT come. And because of slack teaching along with outright apostic teachings by powerful (economically speaking) institutions with self serving agendas, this subject has become a scourge.

Well said !

But for one thing: If not for those “preachers” – I mean if they never existed – WHO would the people hear the words of God FROM?

You have to give them some respect. Otherwise we would all be proud – we would each be thinking that only we have the truth – where we need instead to be humble.

[2besee]

You cannot help them by judging.
Why judge from a distance, when you could instead be patiently (and very kindly) leading them.
(IF you believe that you know more than them)

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