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Quote (2besee @ Jan. 22 2013,16:28) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2013,07:36) 2bee Quote And to the Disciples: “Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” show me in scriptures what did the apostles BIND OR LOOSE
I can only think of a few things ,but let see yours
T, something that the Disciples bound appears to be water baptism,, but you will not see that because you are all…. what is that word – hyperdispensationilists.I have said all that I will say here in this thread.
2beeso to you what ever any of the apostles have said his binding
but they were not perfect ,and act not always as it should be ,
it seems that you want to see that water baptism is an obligated action for all Christians either Jews or Gentiles ,but if that is what you believe then you should practice it because if you don't your conscience would not bring peace to you ,
but you have no authority over others ,unless you bring scriptures to justify your claims ,but claims have to be scrutinized carefully and in dept ,
if not we as well follow any one guess or feeling about what he would thing of some understanding ,
just remember that we are saved by the grace and for having believed in the son of God ,and stay away from the world ,
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 22 2013,22:26) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 22 2013,21:41) Marty. we both believe in water baptism, so that is a good thing 
even if, again, we don't see it exactly the same way, we agree on some things!
2Besee.Our first birth can only be when we came out of mothers belly. Not babtism.
There is one more birth; and that is the resurrection,no births in between.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,What do you call being baptized with the Holy Spirit if not a second birth (Born Again)?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 24 2013,12:51) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 22 2013,22:26) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 22 2013,21:41) Marty. we both believe in water baptism, so that is a good thing even if, again, we don't see it exactly the same way, we agree on some things!
2Besee.Our first birth can only be when we came out of mothers belly. Not babtism.
There is one more birth; and that is the resurrection,no births in between.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,What do you call being baptized with the Holy Spirit if not a second birth (Born Again)?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.How many of the born again have entered the kingdom of God so far?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2013,14:07) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 24 2013,12:51) Hi Wakeup, What do you call being baptized with the Holy Spirit if not a second birth (Born Again)?
God bless
Ed J
EDJ.How many of the born again have entered the kingdom of God so far?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup, all of them.“The kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness,
and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 24 2013,14:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2013,14:07) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 24 2013,12:51) Hi Wakeup, What do you call being baptized with the Holy Spirit if not a second birth (Born Again)?
God bless
Ed J
EDJ.How many of the born again have entered the kingdom of God so far?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup, all of them.“The kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness,
and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.So the kingdom of God is just in YOUR mind.
To you there is no physical kingdom?(SAD)How do you explain these scriptures then??
So far you have distance yourself from commenting to this.
****************Zechariah 8:3 Thus saith the LORD; ***I AM RETURNED UNTO ZION***, and will **DWELL in the midst of JERUSALEM**: and Jerusalem shall be called a *CITY OF TRUTH*; and the *MOUNTAIN OF THE LORD OF HOST THE HOLY MOUNTAIN*. *(THE KINGDOM.NOT JUST IN THE MIND)*
Zechariah 8:4 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; There shall yet OLD MEN AND OLD WOMEN dwell in the streets of Jerusalem, and every man with his staff in his hand for very age.
Zechariah 8:5 And the streets of the city shall be full of BOYS AND GIRLS PLAYING in the streets thereof.
Zechariah 8:6 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If it be marvellous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in these days, should it also be MARVELLOUS IN MINE EYESs? saith the LORD of hosts.
Zechariah 8:7 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will save my people from the EAST COUNTRY, and from the WEST COUNTRY;
Zechariah 8:8 And I will bring them, and they shall dwell IN THE MIDS OF JERUSALEM: AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, IN TRUTH AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Zechariah 8:9 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Let your hands be strong, ye that hear in these days these words by the mouth of the prophets, which were in the day that the foundation of the house of the LORD of hosts was laid, THAT THE TEMPLE MIGHT BE BUILD.
Zechariah 8:10 FOR BEFORE THESE DAYS THERE WAS NO HIRE OF MAN, nor any hire for beast; neither was there any peace to him that went out or came in because of the affliction: for I set all men every one against his neighbour.
Zechariah 8:11 But now I will not be unto the residue of this people ASIN FORMER DAYS, saith the LORD of hosts.
Zechariah 8:12 FORTHE SEED SHALL BE PROSPEROUS; the vine shall give her fruit, and the ground shall give her increase, and the heavens shall give their dew; and I will cause the remnant of this people to possess all these things.
Zechariah 8:13 And it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel; so will I save you, and ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong.
Zechariah 8:14 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; As I thought to punish you, when your fathers provoked me to wrath, saith the LORD of hosts, and I repented not:
Zechariah 8:15 So again have I thought in these days to DO WELL UNTO JERUSALEM and to the house of Judah: fear ye not. (THE PHYSICAL KINGDOM HAS COME TO EARTH)
wakeup.
yeah, messianic time ,Christ the miracles the joy of the remnant (true believers )that his what the prophet Zechariah sew
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,20:04) yeah, messianic time ,Christ the miracles the joy of the remnant (true believers )that his what the prophet Zechariah sew
Terra.Praise God that you can see.
The kingdom of God as never explained before.
1. Consists of all jews only;them that GOD HAS CHOSEN, of every generation starting with Moses people,up to today.Of every generation ,a few are chosen.
TO THEM THE KINGDOM WOULD BE PARADISE RESTORED,BECAUSE THEY WILL BE IN THE FLESH.
But no pain,no tears,no wars,no sorrows.but they still die. They live up to 100yrs old.2. To the resurrected saints the kingdom would be heavenly,for they have inherited all things.
They will be in charge over te jews,and teach them,and the jews will multiply as the sand of the sea,and become a great nation.All the gentiles outside *the square* will also be taught by the Jews,and they will all learn and except the Lord.
The bride of christ will be perfect after the 2nd resurrection.When all the goats, and satan, and his angels are no more.Then Jesus will hand his kingdom to his father.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 25 2013,10:32) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,20:04) yeah, messianic time ,Christ the miracles the joy of the remnant (true believers )that his what the prophet Zechariah sew
Terra.Praise God that you can see.
The kingdom of God as never explained before.
1. Consists of all jews only;them that GOD HAS CHOSEN, of every generation starting with Moses people,up to today.Of every generation ,a few are chosen.
TO THEM THE KINGDOM WOULD BE PARADISE RESTORED,BECAUSE THEY WILL BE IN THE FLESH.
But no pain,no tears,no wars,no sorrows.but they still die. They live up to 100yrs old.2. To the resurrected saints the kingdom would be heavenly,for they have inherited all things.
They will be in charge over te jews,and teach them,and the jews will multiply as the sand of the sea,and become a great nation.All the gentiles outside *the square* will also be taught by the Jews,and they will all learn and except the Lord.
The bride of christ will be perfect after the 2nd resurrection.When all the goats, and satan, and his angels are no more.Then Jesus will hand his kingdom to his father.
wakeup.
wupI do not see that after the first resurrection ,what you seem to believe ,to me it was Christ time and after
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2013,15:52) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 25 2013,10:32) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,20:04) yeah, messianic time ,Christ the miracles the joy of the remnant (true believers )that his what the prophet Zechariah sew
Terra.Praise God that you can see.
The kingdom of God as never explained before.
1. Consists of all jews only;them that GOD HAS CHOSEN, of every generation starting with Moses people,up to today.Of every generation ,a few are chosen.
TO THEM THE KINGDOM WOULD BE PARADISE RESTORED,BECAUSE THEY WILL BE IN THE FLESH.
But no pain,no tears,no wars,no sorrows.but they still die. They live up to 100yrs old.2. To the resurrected saints the kingdom would be heavenly,for they have inherited all things.
They will be in charge over te jews,and teach them,and the jews will multiply as the sand of the sea,and become a great nation.All the gentiles outside *the square* will also be taught by the Jews,and they will all learn and except the Lord.
The bride of christ will be perfect after the 2nd resurrection.When all the goats, and satan, and his angels are no more.Then Jesus will hand his kingdom to his father.
wakeup.
wupI do not see that after the first resurrection ,what you seem to believe ,to me it was Christ time and after
Terra,Well thatS exactly what I am saying.
Christ the first one; and after,all his brethren will follow in the FIRST resurrection.
This is the resurrection of all the saints.
But at the same time the jews will be brought back from the grave also ,but in the flesh.Ez.37.One example:
Jeremiah 31:15 Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not. HER CHILDREN KILLED BY KING HEROD;200 OF THEM.ALL UNDER 2YRS OLD.
RAHEL=RACHEL,JACOBS WIFE.
Jeremiah 31:16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be REWARDED, saith the LORD; *AND THEY SHALL COME AGAIN* from the land of the enemy. LAND OF THE ENMY IS THE GRAVE.
Jeremiah 31:17 And there is HOPE IN THINE END, saith the LORD, THAT THEY CHILDRE SHALL COME *AGAIN* to their own border. OWN BORDER;ISRAEL.
AND MANY MORE WILL BE BROUGHT BACK AGAIN,OF EVERY GENERATION.ALL JEWS.
THE SAINTS WILL RULE OVER THEM AND TEACH THEM.
Rom.11:5. Even so at this present time also there is a REMNANT according to the election of GRACE.
A REMNANT OF JEWS.Isaiah 10:21.22.
wakeup.
wup
Quote Jeremiah 31:16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be REWARDED, saith the LORD; *AND THEY SHALL COME AGAIN* from the land of the enemy. LAND OF THE ENMY IS THE GRAVE. to me it seems that “the land of the enemy “is not the grave ” BUT THE WORLD UNDER SATAN ,(THAT LEAD TO DEAD ,)
THIS IS THE CALL OF THE GOSPELQuote (terraricca @ Jan. 26 2013,03:00) wup Quote Jeremiah 31:16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be REWARDED, saith the LORD; *AND THEY SHALL COME AGAIN* from the land of the enemy. LAND OF THE ENMY IS THE GRAVE. to me it seems that “the land of the enemy “is not the grave ” BUT THE WORLD UNDER SATAN ,(THAT LEAD TO DEAD ,)
THIS IS THE CALL OF THE GOSPEL
Terra.That makes sense,but I still think its the grave.
Because it says from the land of the enemy;from the grave. Its worth thinking about that. thanks.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 25 2013,22:27) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 26 2013,03:00) wup Quote Jeremiah 31:16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be REWARDED, saith the LORD; *AND THEY SHALL COME AGAIN* from the land of the enemy. LAND OF THE ENMY IS THE GRAVE. to me it seems that “the land of the enemy “is not the grave ” BUT THE WORLD UNDER SATAN ,(THAT LEAD TO DEAD ,)
THIS IS THE CALL OF THE GOSPEL
Terra.That makes sense,but I still think its the grave.
Because it says from the land of the enemy;from the grave. Its worth thinking about that. thanks.wakeup.
wupQuote but I still think its the grave.
Because it says from the land of the enemy;from the grave. Its worth thinking about that. thanks.dead his the last enemy ,but that is not what it means in Jerem;31 ;16
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 26 2013,06:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 25 2013,22:27) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 26 2013,03:00) wup Quote Jeremiah 31:16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be REWARDED, saith the LORD; *AND THEY SHALL COME AGAIN* from the land of the enemy. LAND OF THE ENMY IS THE GRAVE. to me it seems that “the land of the enemy “is not the grave ” BUT THE WORLD UNDER SATAN ,(THAT LEAD TO DEAD ,)
THIS IS THE CALL OF THE GOSPEL
Terra.That makes sense,but I still think its the grave.
Because it says from the land of the enemy;from the grave. Its worth thinking about that. thanks.wakeup.
wupQuote but I still think its the grave.
Because it says from the land of the enemy;from the grave. Its worth thinking about that. thanks.dead his the last enemy ,but that is not what it means in Jerem;31 ;16
Yes it is.You are wrong.
Tell us, WHERE are those DEAD CHILDREN right NOW?
IN THE GRAVE.
So where will THEY be COMING FROM when God BRINGS THEM BACK?
THE GRAVE….DEATH.
Duh!!
Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 26 2013,07:13) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 26 2013,06:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 25 2013,22:27) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 26 2013,03:00) wup Quote Jeremiah 31:16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be REWARDED, saith the LORD; *AND THEY SHALL COME AGAIN* from the land of the enemy. LAND OF THE ENMY IS THE GRAVE. to me it seems that “the land of the enemy “is not the grave ” BUT THE WORLD UNDER SATAN ,(THAT LEAD TO DEAD ,)
THIS IS THE CALL OF THE GOSPEL
Terra.That makes sense,but I still think its the grave.
Because it says from the land of the enemy;from the grave. Its worth thinking about that. thanks.wakeup.
wupQuote but I still think its the grave.
Because it says from the land of the enemy;from the grave. Its worth thinking about that. thanks.dead his the last enemy ,but that is not what it means in Jerem;31 ;16
Yes it is.You are wrong.
Tell us, WHERE are those DEAD CHILDREN right NOW?
IN THE GRAVE.
So where will THEY be COMING FROM when God BRINGS THEM BACK?
THE GRAVE….DEATH.
Duh!!
devoNO ,it is not ;
JN 13:33 “ Little children, I am with you a little while longer. You will seek Me; and as I said to the Jews, now I also say to you, ‘Where I am going, you cannot come.’
Jn 16:20 I tell you the truth, you will weep and mourn while the world rejoices. You will grieve, but your grief will turn to joy.
Jn 16:21 A woman giving birth to a child has pain because her time has come; but when her baby is born she forgets the anguish because of her joy that a child is born into the world.
Jn 16:22 So with you: Now is your time of grief, but I will see you again and you will rejoice, and no one will take away your joy.
Jn 16:23 In that day you will no longer ask me anything. I tell you the truth, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.those are the true children of the kingdom
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 26 2013,15:12) Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 26 2013,07:13) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 26 2013,06:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 25 2013,22:27) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 26 2013,03:00) wup Quote Jeremiah 31:16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be REWARDED, saith the LORD; *AND THEY SHALL COME AGAIN* from the land of the enemy. LAND OF THE ENMY IS THE GRAVE. to me it seems that “the land of the enemy “is not the grave ” BUT THE WORLD UNDER SATAN ,(THAT LEAD TO DEAD ,)
THIS IS THE CALL OF THE GOSPEL
Terra.That makes sense,but I still think its the grave.
Because it says from the land of the enemy;from the grave. Its worth thinking about that. thanks.wakeup.
wupQuote but I still think its the grave.
Because it says from the land of the enemy;from the grave. Its worth thinking about that. thanks.dead his the last enemy ,but that is not what it means in Jerem;31 ;16
Yes it is.You are wrong.
Tell us, WHERE are those DEAD CHILDREN right NOW?
IN THE GRAVE.
So where will THEY be COMING FROM when God BRINGS THEM BACK?
THE GRAVE….DEATH.
Duh!!
devoNO ,it is not ;
JN 13:33 “ Little children, I am with you a little while longer. You will seek Me; and as I said to the Jews, now I also say to you, ‘Where I am going, you cannot come.’
Jn 16:20 I tell you the truth, you will weep and mourn while the world rejoices. You will grieve, but your grief will turn to joy.
Jn 16:21 A woman giving birth to a child has pain because her time has come; but when her baby is born she forgets the anguish because of her joy that a child is born into the world.
Jn 16:22 So with you: Now is your time of grief, but I will see you again and you will rejoice, and no one will take away your joy.
Jn 16:23 In that day you will no longer ask me anything. I tell you the truth, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.those are the true children of the kingdom
Terra.Those scriptures you quoted,hs nothing to do with the land of the dead.
The land of the dead is the grave.
THose children are still in the land of the dead.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 26 2013,10:52) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 26 2013,15:12) Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 26 2013,07:13) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 26 2013,06:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 25 2013,22:27) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 26 2013,03:00) wup Quote Jeremiah 31:16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be REWARDED, saith the LORD; *AND THEY SHALL COME AGAIN* from the land of the enemy. LAND OF THE ENMY IS THE GRAVE. to me it seems that “the land of the enemy “is not the grave ” BUT THE WORLD UNDER SATAN ,(THAT LEAD TO DEAD ,)
THIS IS THE CALL OF THE GOSPEL
Terra.That makes sense,but I still think its the grave.
Because it says from the land of the enemy;from the grave. Its worth thinking about that. thanks.wakeup.
wupQuote but I still think its the grave.
Because it says from the land of the enemy;from the grave. Its worth thinking about that. thanks.dead his the last enemy ,but that is not what it means in Jerem;31 ;16
Yes it is.You are wrong.
Tell us, WHERE are those DEAD CHILDREN right NOW?
IN THE GRAVE.
So where will THEY be COMING FROM when God BRINGS THEM BACK?
THE GRAVE….DEATH.
Duh!!
devoNO ,it is not ;
JN 13:33 “ Little children, I am with you a little while longer. You will seek Me; and as I said to the Jews, now I also say to you, ‘Where I am going, you cannot come.’
Jn 16:20 I tell you the truth, you will weep and mourn while the world rejoices. You will grieve, but your grief will turn to joy.
Jn 16:21 A woman giving birth to a child has pain because her time has come; but when her baby is born she forgets the anguish because of her joy that a child is born into the world.
Jn 16:22 So with you: Now is your time of grief, but I will see you again and you will rejoice, and no one will take away your joy.
Jn 16:23 In that day you will no longer ask me anything. I tell you the truth, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.those are the true children of the kingdom
Terra.Those scriptures you quoted,hs nothing to do with the land of the dead.
The land of the dead is the grave.
THose children are still in the land of the dead.wakeup.
WupIt does no say THE LAND OF THE DEAD !
So you are wrong and even if it would say that I would still be right ,because all are dead if not waken by the gospel of Christ ,
Hi Everyone,
1 Cor 12:13 cannot be any clearer that the baptism we are
baptized into is a spiritual baptism rather than a water baptism.1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body,
whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free;
and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2013,07:04) Hi Everyone, 1 Cor 12:13 cannot be any clearer that the baptism we are
baptized into is a spiritual baptism rather than a water baptism.1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body,
whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free;
and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
COL 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
COL 2:20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
HEB 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
HEB 6:1 Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,this will complete your scriptures
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