Born of water.

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Hi Marty,

Were the people of Acts 19:1-6 baptized with the “HolySpirit” prior to their talk with Paul?
Because If they weren't, then your point becomes moot, while my point is strengthened,
because being baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
(NOT WATER BAPTISM)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

No, Ed:

The scripture states that they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus which implies water baptism, and the scripture then states that after they were baptized then the Apostle Paul laid hands on them and they received the Holy Ghost.

Love in Christ,
Marty

No Marty,

What it instead implies is: that the Apostle Paul (Shaool) laying his hands on them
baptized them in the name of Jesus with the “HolySpirit”.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

January 14, 2013 at 4:21 am#328061

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Was Jesus baptized for himself or for others?

Does it say that he was baptized for others?

Hi Marty,

What does baptism symbolize?

God bless
Ed J

Hi Ed:

It symbolizes one's union with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection:

Love in Christ,
Marty

Hi Marty,

Was Christ's death, burial and resurrection for himself or for others?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed:

His death, burial and resurrection was for himself and for those who choose to accept what he did for them.

He is the propitiation for our sins.

But if one does not want to die unto sin, and follow him in obedience to God, it is a personal decision, a choice.

Love in Christ,
Marty

January 14, 2013 at 4:23 am#328062

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Marty
I have put my understanding in brackets

1Co 15:29 Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized(change their lives to follow Christ ) for the dead(unbelievers)? If the dead(real dead) are not raised at all, why are people baptized (still changing their live according to Gods will )for them?
1Co 15:30 And as for us, why do we endanger ourselves every hour? (preaching to those unbelievers )
1Co 15:31 I die every day—I mean that, brothers—just as surely as I glory over you in Christ Jesus our Lord.

baptized = changing from living for the flesh to living in the spirit for God ,

January 14, 2013 at 4:23 am#328063

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Marty said:

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His death, burial and resurrection was for himself

Please explain?

January 14, 2013 at 4:33 am#328065

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Marty said:

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His death, burial and resurrection was for himself

Please explain?

Hi Ed:

He obeyed God without sin even unto death on the cross, did he not.

Here are some scriptures that show that it was for himself as well as for those who will obey him:

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Hbr 5:5 ¶ So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

Hbr 5:6 As he saith also in another [place], Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Hbr 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Hbr 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

Hbr 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

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Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Phl 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Phl 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Phl 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;

Phl 2:11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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Rom 1:1 ¶ Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Rom 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Rom 1:4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Love in Christ,
Marty

January 14, 2013 at 4:42 am#328068

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Quote (942767 @ Jan. 14 2013,14:33)

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Marty said:

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His death, burial and resurrection was for himself

Please explain?

Hi Ed:

He obeyed God without sin even unto death on the cross, did he not.

Here are some scriptures that show that it was for himself as well as for those who will obey him:

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Hbr 5:5 ¶ So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

Hbr 5:6 As he saith also in another [place], Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Hbr 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Hbr 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

Hbr 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

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Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Phl 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Phl 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Phl 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;

Phl 2:11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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Rom 1:1 ¶ Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Rom 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Rom 1:4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Love in Christ,
Marty

Hi Marty,

Can you enlarge all the “SPECIFIC” parts that you believe can illustrate your point,
along with a brief explanation of each part that you believe supports your claim?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

January 14, 2013 at 9:36 am#328084

Wakeup

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1. Was Judas iscariot babtised in water?
2. Who babtised John the babtist?

Johns babtism was cut off, in an instant.
From then the apostles did all the babtising.

3. Do we know who we are babtising,can we look in a person? no.

4. Can Jesus know who he is babtising? yes.

Most christians that will be rejected by Jesus,will be the babtised in water.So what guarantee is is there in water babtism?

wakeup.

January 14, 2013 at 7:23 pm#328102

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Marty

January 14, 2013 at 10:00 pm#328112

Wakeup

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You all got sucked into the established doctrine that born of water is the babtism.

Every human is born out of water.

wakeup.

January 14, 2013 at 11:19 pm#328122

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Hi Marty,

No, Ed:

Love in Christ,
Marty

No Marty,

What it instead implies is: that the Apostle Paul (Shaool) laying his hands on them
baptized them in the name of Jesus with the “HolySpirit”.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Marty?

January 15, 2013 at 12:41 am#328148

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2013,03:00)

You all got sucked into the established doctrine that born of water is the babtism.

Every human is born out of water.

wakeup.

wup

I do not believe that being born of water means baptism ,

and do not believe that it is our natural birth either ,

but rather ;Jn 4:10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”

Jn 4:13 Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again,
Jn 4:14 but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

reborn with the water(faith,understanding ,and believing in the son of god) given by Christ dead

January 15, 2013 at 2:27 am#328166

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 14 2013,14:23)

Marty
I have put my understanding in brackets

baptized = changing from living for the flesh to living in the spirit for God ,

Hi Pierre:

And so, what is your understanding of these scriptures?

It appears to me that some people were saying that there was no resurrection from the dead, and yet, they were baptizing themselves for members of their family or friends who died in unbelief beleiving that they would be resurrected from the dead because of the baptism they did in proxy.

And so, Paul was saying why do this if you do not believe that there is a resurrection from the dead.

The Mormon church still does this.

And it is a waste of time to do this because no one can exercise faith for someone else. If they died in unbelief, they will not be saved. They had the opportunity to come to the Lord during thier lifetime.

Love in Christ,
Marty

January 15, 2013 at 2:49 am#328168

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Hi Marty,

No, Ed:

Love in Christ,
Marty

No Marty,

What it instead implies is: that the Apostle Paul (Shaool) laying his hands on them
baptized them in the name of Jesus with the “HolySpirit”.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

No, Ed:

The scripture states that they were baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus, and then it states that the Apostle Paul laid hands on them and they received the Holy Ghost.

No one except the Lord Jesus can baptize with the Holy Spirit.

Please read the scripture and see if this is not what is stated.

You may also read some other examples in the Acts of the Apostles where people had believed and had been been baptized in water and had not received the Holy Ghost, and did not until the Apostles laid hands on them similar to what happened in this situation.

Read Acts 8:12-17.

Love in Christ,
Marty

January 15, 2013 at 3:23 am#328173

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Marty said:

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His death, burial and resurrection was for himself

Please explain?

Hi Ed:

He obeyed God without sin even unto death on the cross, did he not.

Here are some scriptures that show that it was for himself as well as for those who will obey him:

Quote

Hbr 5:5 ¶ So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

Hbr 5:6 As he saith also in another [place], Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Hbr 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Hbr 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

Hbr 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

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Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Phl 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Phl 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Phl 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;

Phl 2:11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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Rom 1:1 ¶ Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Rom 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Rom 1:4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Love in Christ,
Marty

Hi Marty,

Can you enlarge all the “SPECIFIC” parts that you believe can illustrate your point,
along with a brief explanation of each part that you believe supports your claim?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed:

Jesus was a man, and could have sinned. He was tempted every way just as we were yet he did not sin, but if he had sinned, he would be dead in that sin, and he would not have been resurrected.

It was in obeying God without sin even unto death that he was saved from death, and so, it was for himself (his salvation) as well as for those who will be saved from death through him.

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Hbr 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Hbr 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

Hbr 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him

Love in Christ,
Marty

January 15, 2013 at 4:05 am#328175

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Marty
I have put my understanding in brackets

baptized = changing from living for the flesh to living in the spirit for God ,

Hi Pierre:

And so, what is your understanding of these scriptures?

And so, Paul was saying why do this if you do not believe that there is a resurrection from the dead.

The Mormon church still does this.

Love in Christ,
Marty

hi Marty

I do not share that view you have ,I check this with other translations ,and what I understand from context is what I showed you ,It is my understanding that the scriptures do not really teach to be baptized and be saved ,I am on the other hand surprised that no one I heard of is practicing the washing of the feet , and yet it is clearly said JN 13:14 “If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet.

so I do not believe that Paul had in his congregation those people as you say, because that believe is evil and his explanation to the Corinthians is related to become believers and stay a believer ,this is why he tells about his work experience has a preacher to the unbelievers (the dead )

January 15, 2013 at 4:47 am#328180

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Hi Marty,

No, Ed:

Love in Christ,
Marty

No Marty,

What it instead implies is: that the Apostle Paul (Shaool) laying his hands on them
baptized them in the name of Jesus with the “HolySpirit”.

God bless
Ed J

No, Ed:

The scripture states that they were baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus, and then it states that the Apostle Paul laid hands on them and they received the Holy Ghost.

No one except the Lord Jesus can baptize with the Holy Spirit.

Please read the scripture and see if this is not what is stated.

You may also read some other examples in the Acts of the Apostles where people had believed and had been been baptized in water and had not received the Holy Ghost, and did not until the Apostles laid hands on them similar to what happened in this situation.

Read Acts 8:12-17.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Hi Marty,

Was the Spirit of Christ not in (Shaool) the Apostle Paul? (<– please answer)
Yes, that is what I'm trying to tell you. (reread my post )

Acts 8:16 does, however, indicate water baptism (which in unnecessary):
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were
baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

January 15, 2013 at 4:56 am#328182

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Quote (942767 @ Jan. 15 2013,13:23)

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Marty said:

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His death, burial and resurrection was for himself

Please explain?

Hi Ed:

Jesus was a man, and could have sinned. He was tempted every way just as we were yet he did not sin, but if he had sinned, he would be dead in that sin, and he would not have been resurrected.

It was in obeying God without sin even unto death that he was saved from death, and so, it was for himself (his salvation) as well as for those who will be saved from death through him.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Hi Marty,

So how exactly did he die for himself?
You still haven't said how, or given any
scriptural support for YOUR claim either?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

January 15, 2013 at 4:57 am#328183

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 15 2013,14:56)

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 15 2013,13:23)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,14:23)

Marty said:

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His death, burial and resurrection was for himself

Please explain?

Hi Ed:

Jesus was a man, and could have sinned. He was tempted every way just as we were yet he did not sin, but if he had sinned, he would be dead in that sin, and he would not have been resurrected.

It was in obeying God without sin even unto death that he was saved from death, and so, it was for himself (his salvation) as well as for those who will be saved from death through him.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Hi Marty,

So how exactly did he die for himself?
You still haven't said how, or given any
scriptural support for YOUR claim either?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

We are all perfected through suffering, Marty.

January 15, 2013 at 5:14 am#328184

Wakeup

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2013,10:41)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2013,03:00)

You all got sucked into the established doctrine that born of water is the babtism.

Every human is born out of water.

wakeup.

wup

I do not believe that being born of water means baptism ,

and do not believe that it is our natural birth either ,

but rather ;Jn 4:10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”

reborn with the water(faith,understanding ,and believing in the son of god) given by Christ dead

Terra,

If that is the case, can you explain.

1.born.

2. born again.

wakeup.

January 15, 2013 at 6:13 am#328192