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Quote (942767 @ Jan. 13 2013,04:20) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 07 2013,17:13) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 07 2013,17:09) Hi Marty, The water baptized converts were from Judaism.
The Gentiles were not required to be “water baptized”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
'I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;' (1 Cor 1:14)
HEd:Cornelius and those with him were the first gentiles who received the Holy Spirit and they received the Holy Spirit prior to being baptized in water, but the Apostle Peter stated this after they had received the Holy Spirit:
Quote Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
The Apostle Peter commanded them to be baptized in water, and he states: “can any man forbid water”, and the answer is “no they can not”.
The Apostle Paul in the scriptures that you posted did not say that water baptism was not necessary. He said that the Lord did not send him to baptize but to preach the gospel. He as an evangelist had to sow the seed, the gospel of Christ so that there would be believers.
Water baptism is an action showing that one has believed the gospel and has repented. If one has not believed with a repentant heart, water baptism means nothing.
You say that we are saved by faith, and that is true. It is believing with a repentant heart. If one confesses Jesus as Lord, one is indicating by that confession that he will obey the Lord's commandments.
Quote Rom 6:1 ¶ What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyQuote If one confesses Jesus as Lord, one is indicating by that confession that he will obey the Lord's commandments. this is true ,
Marty
Quote Cornelius and those with him were the first gentiles who received the Holy Spirit and they received the Holy Spirit prior to being baptized in water, but the Apostle Peter stated this after they had received the Holy Spirit: AC 10:45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
AC 10:46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God.Ac 15:7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe.
Ac 15:8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.
Ac 15:9 He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith.
Ac 15:10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?
Ac 15:11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”Ac 15:14 Simon has described to us how God at first showed his concern by taking from the Gentiles a people for himself.
Ac 15:15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
Ac 15:16 “ ‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
Ac 15:17 that the remnant of men may seek the Lord,
and all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’
Ac 15:18 that have been known for ages.
Ac 15:19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.
Ac 15:20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.Ac 15:23 With them they sent the following letter:
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
Ac 15:24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.
Ac 15:25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul—
Ac 15:26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Ac 15:27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing.
Ac 15:28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
Ac 15:29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.Farewell.
you should refresh your memory were in this letter was mention the WATER BAPTISM burden
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 14 2013,04:13) Marty Quote Cornelius and those with him were the first gentiles who received the Holy Spirit and they received the Holy Spirit prior to being baptized in water, but the Apostle Peter stated this after they had received the Holy Spirit: AC 10:45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
AC 10:46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God.Ac 15:7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe.
Ac 15:8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.
Ac 15:9 He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith.
Ac 15:10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?
Ac 15:11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”Ac 15:14 Simon has described to us how God at first showed his concern by taking from the Gentiles a people for himself.
Ac 15:15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
Ac 15:16 “ ‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
Ac 15:17 that the remnant of men may seek the Lord,
and all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’
Ac 15:18 that have been known for ages.
Ac 15:19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.
Ac 15:20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.Ac 15:23 With them they sent the following letter:
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
Ac 15:24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.
Ac 15:25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul—
Ac 15:26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Ac 15:27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing.
Ac 15:28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
Ac 15:29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.Farewell.
you should refresh your memory were in this letter was mention the WATER BAPTISM burden
Hi Pierre:The scriptures that you posted in Acts 15 are relative to this discussion about circumscision.
Quote Act 15:1 ¶ And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, [and said], Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. Act 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
Act 15:3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
Act 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and [of] the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses.
Act 15:6 ¶ And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
This has nothing to do with water baptism. Did you read the scriptures that I posted that ask the question, “can any man forbid water”? The answer implied is no. The Apostle Peter did not ask Cornelius and his band to be baptized, he commanded them to be baptized in water.
Is it a burdensome to you to obey the Word of God?
I was not ashamed to publically declare my union with Jesus in his death, burial, and resurrection by being baptized in water. It was not a burden to me.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Pierre:
Here are some more scriptures relative to water baptism that may interest you. It seems that Jesus came to God by being baptized in water, and then obeyed God even unto death on the cross, and so the scriptures state that he came to God by water and by blood.
Quote 1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith.
1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
1Jo 5:6 ¶ This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1Jo 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty
Quote This has nothing to do with water baptism. Did you read the scriptures that I posted that ask the question, “can any man forbid water”? The answer implied is no. The Apostle Peter did not ask Cornelius and his band to be baptized, he commanded them to be baptized in water. Is it a burdensome to you to obey the Word of God?
I was not ashamed to publically declare my union with Jesus in his death, burial, and resurrection by being baptized in water. It was not a burden to me.
Love in Christ,
Martyso are you now suggesting that we all wait to receive the holy spirit before getting baptized in water
Marty
Quote Hi Pierre: The scriptures that you posted in Acts 15 are relative to this discussion about circumscision.
Ac 15:1 Some men came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the brothers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.”
is this not what religion says about “water baptism ” creating a ritual in the flesh ,are we not all baptized under the flood with Noah
can you not see that it is the heart and mind that God want us to change ,not creating new habits
Ac 15:8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.
Ac 15:19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.
Ac 15:20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.
Ac 15:28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
now were does it say that CIRCUMCISION HIS THE MAIN COURCE it does not but talks about “IDOLS” STRANGLED ANIMALS ” AND “SEXUAL IMMORALITY ” so please tell me ??Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 14 2013,12:01) Marty Quote This has nothing to do with water baptism. Did you read the scriptures that I posted that ask the question, “can any man forbid water”? The answer implied is no. The Apostle Peter did not ask Cornelius and his band to be baptized, he commanded them to be baptized in water. Is it a burdensome to you to obey the Word of God?
I was not ashamed to publically declare my union with Jesus in his death, burial, and resurrection by being baptized in water. It was not a burden to me.
Love in Christ,
Martyso are you now suggesting that we all wait to receive the holy spirit before getting baptized in water
Hi Pierre:Some receive the Holy Spirit prior to being baptized in water just as Cornelius and those with him did, but others do not receive the Holy Spirit until after they have been baptized.
And so, the Apostle Peter stated to those who had crucified the Lord who believed the gospel:
Quote Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.
I am not suggesting anything. I am just giving you the scriptures.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Marty,
“John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance” (Acts 19:4)
Are you saying that water baptism (baptism of repentance) is still
necessary even after we have been baptized with the “Holy Spirit”?
Was Jesus baptized for himself or for others? (TWO QUESTIONS)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Jan. 14 2013,12:15) Marty Quote Hi Pierre: The scriptures that you posted in Acts 15 are relative to this discussion about circumscision.
Ac 15:1 Some men came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the brothers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.”
is this not what religion says about “water baptism ” creating a ritual in the flesh ,are we not all baptized under the flood with Noah
can you not see that it is the heart and mind that God want us to change ,not creating new habits
Ac 15:8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.
Ac 15:19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.
Ac 15:20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.
Ac 15:28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
now were does it say that CIRCUMCISION HIS THE MAIN COURCE it does not but talks about “IDOLS” STRANGLED ANIMALS ” AND “SEXUAL IMMORALITY ” so please tell me ??
Hi Pierre:The Jews wanted the gentile believers to be circumsized, and the Apostles met and decided that they did not have to be circumsized in order to be saved, but that they were only required to abstain from blood, eating meat that had been offerred to idols, and from fornication.
This was a period of transition from the Old Testament to the New Testament.
I have already showed you what the Apostle Peter stated when he said “Can any man forbid water” in reference to the fact that Cornelius who had received the Holy Spirit prior to being baptized in water. The answer is no, it is a commandment that we as Christians should be baptized in water. Jesus is our example. He was baptized in water.
It is a ritual only if someone has not believed and has not repented.
This is what the Apostle Peter states:
Quote 1Pe 3:17 For [it is] better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. 1Pe 3:18 ¶ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ
But water baptism does not save anyone. We are saved by faith, and we are baptized in water because we have believed with a repentant heart.
But I have given you the scriptures relative to this. You do not have to do anything that you do not want to do. I will obey the Word of God and teach others who want to hear to do the same.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Jan. 14 2013,07:48) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 14 2013,12:01) Marty Quote This has nothing to do with water baptism. Did you read the scriptures that I posted that ask the question, “can any man forbid water”? The answer implied is no. The Apostle Peter did not ask Cornelius and his band to be baptized, he commanded them to be baptized in water. Is it a burdensome to you to obey the Word of God?
I was not ashamed to publically declare my union with Jesus in his death, burial, and resurrection by being baptized in water. It was not a burden to me.
Love in Christ,
Martyso are you now suggesting that we all wait to receive the holy spirit before getting baptized in water
Hi Pierre:Some receive the Holy Spirit prior to being baptized in water just as Cornelius and those with him did, but others do not receive the Holy Spirit until after they have been baptized.
And so, the Apostle Peter stated to those who had crucified the Lord who believed the gospel:
Quote Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.
I am not suggesting anything. I am just giving you the scriptures.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martyall in Act 2 were Jews ;
Ac 2:5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.
Ac 2:6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language.visitors from Rome
Ac 2:11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”Ac 2:22 “Men of Israel, listen to this…………
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Ac 2:23 This man was handed over to you by God’s set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.Ac 2:29 “Brothers………..
Ac 2:37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
Ac 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
this is well documented all Jews, the reason for their repentance ,? because they are Gods people and they have forsaken their God and savior,
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,13:09) Hi Marty, “John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance” (Acts 19:4)
Are you saying that water baptism (baptism of repentance) is still
necessary even after we have been baptized with the “Holy Spirit”?
Was Jesus baptized for himself or for others? (TWO QUESTIONS)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed:No, this water baptism is not the baptism of John. Water baptism is an action showing that one has believed the gospel and has repented, and is a public demonstration showing that one is united in Christ in his death, burial, and resurrection.
Cornelius and those with him were commanded by the Apostle Peter to be baptized in water even though they had received the Holy Ghost.
The Apostle Paul speaking to Apollos who had received the baptism of John stated this:
Quote Act 19:1 ¶ And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Do you understand the difference between the baptism of John and the water baptism of someone who has beleved the gospel?
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Jan. 14 2013,13:29) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,13:09) Hi Marty, “John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance” (Acts 19:4)
Are you saying that water baptism (baptism of repentance) is still
necessary even after we have been baptized with the “Holy Spirit”?
Was Jesus baptized for himself or for others? (TWO QUESTIONS)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed:No, this water baptism is not the baptism of John. Water baptism is an action showing that one has believed the gospel and has repented, and is a public demonstration showing that one is united in Christ in his death, burial, and resurrection.
Cornelius and those with him were commanded by the Apostle Peter to be baptized in water even though they had received the Holy Ghost.
The Apostle Paul speaking to Apollos who had received the baptism of John stated this:
Quote Act 19:1 ¶ And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Do you understand the difference between the baptism of John and the water baptism of someone who has beleved the gospel?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Was Jesus baptized for himself or for others? (TWO QUESTIONS)Hi Marty,
Were the people of Acts 19:1-6 baptized with the “HolySpirit” prior to their talk with Paul?
Because If they weren't, then your point becomes moot, while my point is strengthened,
because being baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
(NOT WATER BAPTISM)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,13:37) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 14 2013,13:29) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,13:09) Hi Marty, “John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance” (Acts 19:4)
Are you saying that water baptism (baptism of repentance) is still
necessary even after we have been baptized with the “Holy Spirit”?
Was Jesus baptized for himself or for others? (TWO QUESTIONS)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed:No, this water baptism is not the baptism of John. Water baptism is an action showing that one has believed the gospel and has repented, and is a public demonstration showing that one is united in Christ in his death, burial, and resurrection.
Cornelius and those with him were commanded by the Apostle Peter to be baptized in water even though they had received the Holy Ghost.
The Apostle Paul speaking to Apollos who had received the baptism of John stated this:
Quote Act 19:1 ¶ And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Do you understand the difference between the baptism of John and the water baptism of someone who has beleved the gospel?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Was Jesus baptized for himself or for others? (TWO QUESTIONS)
Hi Ed:The scripture states that he was baptized. Does it say that he was baptized for others?
Quote 3:13 ¶ Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. Mat 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer [it to be so] now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Jan. 14 2013,13:47) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,13:37) Was Jesus baptized for himself or for others?
Hi Ed:Does it say that he was baptized for others?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty,What does baptism symbolize?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,13:58) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 14 2013,13:47) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,13:37) Was Jesus baptized for himself or for others?
Hi Ed:Does it say that he was baptized for others?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty,What does baptism symbolize?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed:It symbolizes one's union with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection:
Quote Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty
Act 19:5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Ac 19:5 On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
my question is it does not say that they have been baptized again in water but scriptures says “
On hearing this so it was instruction /knowledge /understanding ,because then ” Paul had laid [his] hands upon them ” then and only then the “Holy Ghost came on them”
it seems to me that the history of water baptism start with John and the Jewish people and got carried over to Christianity as a sectarian division and later as the Roman Catholic universal religion guaranty for success and still today sectarian division between so called Christian brothers ,I DO NOT SEE ANY OBEDIENCE TO GOD IN THIS AT ALL ,IF THERE WOULD BE ,THEY SHOULD UNITE AT ONCE YEARS AGO ,BUT WHAT THEY DO IS SERVING MEN RATHER THAN GOD ,
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,13:47) Hi Marty, Were the people of Acts 19:1-6 baptized with the “HolySpirit” prior to their talk with Paul?
Because If they weren't, then your point becomes moot, while my point is strengthened,
because being baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
(NOT WATER BAPTISM)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No, Ed:The scripture states that they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus which implies water baptism, and the scripture then states that after they were baptized then the Apostle Paul laid hands on them and they received the Holy Ghost.
Take a look at the scripture:
Quote Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Jan. 14 2013,14:06) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,13:58) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 14 2013,13:47) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,13:37) Was Jesus baptized for himself or for others? Does it say that he was baptized for others?
Hi Marty,What does baptism symbolize?
God bless
Ed J
Hi Ed:It symbolizes one's union with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection:
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty,Was Christ's death, burial and resurrection for himself or for others?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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