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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 01 2013,05:55) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2013,03:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,22:07) HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR TERRA. wakeup.
sorry I do not mix my live with wordly event ,just another day in the years God as given me
Sorry Terra,but you got it all wrong.
new year celebrations has nothing to do with RELIGION.
You still have the jw streak in you.
Not enough knowledge.We can not break away from friends and the world,because we have to try to bring them into the fold.
We are still *IN BABYLON*; but not *OF BABYLON*.Be as a jew if you are amongst jews, and be as a greek if you are amongst greeks,and try to bring them to the fold,
that is our job. bUT DONT FOLLOW THEIR RELIGIOUS CELEBRATIONS.wakeup.
use scriptures for personal interests ,
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2013,11:50) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 01 2013,05:55) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2013,03:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,22:07) HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR TERRA. wakeup.
sorry I do not mix my live with wordly event ,just another day in the years God as given me
Sorry Terra,but you got it all wrong.
new year celebrations has nothing to do with RELIGION.
You still have the jw streak in you.
Not enough knowledge.We can not break away from friends and the world,because we have to try to bring them into the fold.
We are still *IN BABYLON*; but not *OF BABYLON*.Be as a jew if you are amongst jews, and be as a greek if you are amongst greeks,and try to bring them to the fold,
that is our job. bUT DONT FOLLOW THEIR RELIGIOUS CELEBRATIONS.wakeup.
Jn 17:14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world.
Terra.PUT A GREAT WALL AROUND YOUR HOUSE.
AND DONT CALL THE AMBULANCE WHEN YOU GET SICK.
DONT SEE THE DOCTER EITHER.
GIVE AWAY YOUR DOLLARS,DONT KEEP IT IN YOUR WALLET.wakeup.
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'There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.” Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again’ ” (John 3:1-7, emp. added).
In an effort to avoid identifying “water” (vs. 5) as water baptism, many within Christendom in the last half century have proposed a variety of novel interpretations. For example, some have proposed that “water” is a reference to the Holy Spirit. While it certainly is true that John uses the word “water” symbolically to represent the Spirit later in his book (7:38-39), that fact had to be explained by the inspired writer. However, in chapter three, the normal, literal meaning is clearly in view, not only because water baptism throughout the New Testament is consistently associated with the salvation event (e.g., Acts 2:38; 8:12-13,36-38; 9:18; 10:47-48; 16:15,33; 18:8; 19:5; 22:16; Romans 6:3-4; Galatians 3:27; Colossians 2:12; Hebrews 10:22; 1 Peter 3:21), but even in this context, eighteen verses later, the term clearly has a literal meaning: “Now John also was baptizing in Aenon near Salim, because there was much water there” (John 3:23). Additionally, if “water” in John 3:5 is an allusion to the Holy Spirit, the result would be nonsensical: “unless one is born of the Spirit and the Spirit.”More can be read here:
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 01 2013,14:04) I disagree, Ed. I believe the Kingdom of God is a REAL place that some of us will physically go – not just something in our minds. And we can't GO there unless we are rid of flesh, and made of spirit.
I see no need to keep arguing about this topic, so I'll leave it to the rest of you. As with many scriptural topics, there are different ways to understand certain words.
It is clear that you and Pierre and 2B are taking Jesus' words in John 3 to be METAPHORICAL. I do not take them that way.
Who's right, and who's wrong? We can beat each other up over it for months without ever getting closer to the actual truth of it.
For right now, I will agree to disagree with you, Pierre, and 2B. No harm done.
Excuse me but I do not agree that the kingdom of God is here because God does not dwell with sin and the world is full of sin, though God is with His people in spirit.
So you put me in the wrong group.
I believe in water baptism.Just so that you know, I do not believe in a thousand year millennium to come as I am sort of 'Amillenial', but that is a different topic.
From the same site (quoted), and to Wakeup, pertaining to the OP of this thread:
'Perhaps the most popular notion, advanced only in recent years, is that “water” is a reference to a pregnant woman’s “water”—i.e., the amniotic fluid that accompanies the physical birth of a child. However, this suggestion likewise fails to fit the context of Jesus’ remarks. In fact, Nicodemus himself thought that Jesus was referring to physical birth (“mother’s womb”). But Jesus corrected his misconception, and contrasted such thinking with the intended meaning of “water and Spirit.” Indeed, Jesus would not have told Nicodemus that he needed to be born physically (“water”). He would not have included the act of physical birth in His listing of prerequisites to entering the kingdom. That would make Jesus say that before a person can enter the kingdom he or she must first be a person! What would be the point of stating such a thing? [Would it perhaps be to ensure that everyone understands that non-humans (i.e., animals) cannot enter the kingdom?!] Later in the same chapter, did John baptize near Salim “because there was much amniotic fluid there”?
Wakeup, Wakeup!!
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 03 2013,19:34) From the same site (quoted), and to Wakeup, pertaining to the OP of this thread: 'Perhaps the most popular notion, advanced only in recent years, is that “water” is a reference to a pregnant woman’s “water”—i.e., the amniotic fluid that accompanies the physical birth of a child. However, this suggestion likewise fails to fit the context of Jesus’ remarks. In fact, Nicodemus himself thought that Jesus was referring to physical birth (“mother’s womb”). But Jesus corrected his misconception, and contrasted such thinking with the intended meaning of “water and Spirit.” Indeed, Jesus would not have told Nicodemus that he needed to be born physically (“water”). He would not have included the act of physical birth in His listing of prerequisites to entering the kingdom. That would make Jesus say that before a person can enter the kingdom he or she must first be a person! What would be the point of stating such a thing? [Would it perhaps be to ensure that everyone understands that non-humans (i.e., animals) cannot enter the kingdom?!] Later in the same chapter, did John baptize near Salim “because there was much amniotic fluid there”?
Wakeup, Wakeup!!
2Besee.Was the conversation with nicodemus about babtism, or about born again. Y/N.
Did Jesus say;if you are babtised with water you are flesh?
And if you are babtised with spirit you are spirit?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 03 2013,22:19) 2Besee. Was the conversation with nicodemus about babtism, or about born again. Y/N.
Born again.Quote Did Jesus say;if you are babtised with water you are flesh?
And if you are babtised with spirit you are spirit?wakeup.
Jesus said 'Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit'. So that should answer your question. And all commentaries understand this to mean water baptism.
Acts 2:38 'Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
Baptism in water and baptism in the Holy Spirit, of truth.
REPENT and be BAPTISED.2Besee.
That does not answer my question.
I believe in babtism with water.My quesion was about Jesus discission with Nicodemus; was it about babtism or about rebirth?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup.
Jesus' discussion with Nicodemus was in regards to being born again through baptism, repentance, and spirit.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 04 2013,03:32) Hi Wakeup. Jesus' discussion with Nicodemus was in regards to being born again through baptism, repentance, and spirit.
2bee and wupshow me the scriptures of that statement ;
JN 3:1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews;
JN 3:2 this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “ Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”
JN 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Mk 9:1 And he said to them, “I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power.”
Lk 9:27 I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”it is all about TO SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD not born again ,you guys are anchored on the wrong pier
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2013,10:47) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 04 2013,03:32) Hi Wakeup. Jesus' discussion with Nicodemus was in regards to being born again through baptism, repentance, and spirit.
2bee and wupshow me the scriptures of that statement ;
JN 3:1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews;
JN 3:2 this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “ Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”
JN 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Mk 9:1 And he said to them, “I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power.”
Lk 9:27 I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”it is all about TO SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD not born again ,you guys are anchored on the wrong pier
Hi T,You quoted the verses:
JN 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Mk 9:1 And he said to them, “I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power.”
Lk 9:27 I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”Who was Jesus speaking to? Would it not be the resurrected saints approximately 70AD (the first fruits).
I believe that we can “see” God in Spirit, this is not our eyes though, it is our spirit.
The Kingdom of God is still to come. Being born again is being as if we are born again. We have to grow and learn.
I am still growing and learning every day and I have my set backs.
I do not know if I will ever make it to the Kingdom of God, if I am good enough, perhaps.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 04 2013,04:05) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2013,10:47) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 04 2013,03:32) Hi Wakeup. Jesus' discussion with Nicodemus was in regards to being born again through baptism, repentance, and spirit.
2bee and wupshow me the scriptures of that statement ;
JN 3:1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews;
JN 3:2 this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “ Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”
JN 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Mk 9:1 And he said to them, “I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power.”
Lk 9:27 I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”it is all about TO SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD not born again ,you guys are anchored on the wrong pier
Hi T,You quoted the verses:
JN 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Mk 9:1 And he said to them, “I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power.”
Lk 9:27 I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”Who was Jesus speaking to? Would it not be the resurrected saints approximately 70AD (the first fruits).
I believe that we can “see” God in Spirit, this is not our eyes though, it is our spirit.
The Kingdom of God is still to come. Being born again is being as if we are born again. We have to grow and learn.
2beefirst we have to be true and serve God in spirit and truth ;if this is done with all your mind and soul and strength then you will feel and see with understanding what the kingdom of God really his ,because the kingdom of God encompass all of his creation ,not just the earth,
trust in Gods scriptures they are the truth deep inside ,let the knowledge of truth enter your heart ,let God be your guide in all things ,all day long ,
love in Christ
2bee
Quote Who was Jesus speaking to? Would it not be the resurrected saints approximately 70AD (the first fruits). Lk 9:27 I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”
the only one I can think of is Steven, and I am sure many more that are not reported ,but many do not understand what is the kingdom of God
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2013,12:34) 2bee Quote Who was Jesus speaking to? Would it not be the resurrected saints approximately 70AD (the first fruits). Lk 9:27 I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”
the only one I can think of is Steven, and I am sure many more that are not reported ,but many do not understand what is the kingdom of God
Pierre,To taste death is to know that you are dying.
Jesus said there are some standing there that will not taste death till they see the kingdom of God.This can apply to them back then, and also us now.
Those ones who were ashamed of Christ and his words back then are dead. Death sometimes gives no warning. It's easy. Close your eyes and go for a long sleep.To taste death is to know you are going to DIE. We all know that we die once. But some do not realise that there is a 2nd death. They think that they can do all the evil they can, then die and get away with it.
At the 2nd resurrection, all those who were ashamed of Christ and his words will find out what it is like to taste death, as they will receive their sentence…..into the lake of fire you go. That is the 2nd death. They will taste death then. THE SECOND DEATH. They will know it's coming, because our Lord will definately let them know he's sending them there.
Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 04 2013,09:27) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2013,12:34) 2bee Quote Who was Jesus speaking to? Would it not be the resurrected saints approximately 70AD (the first fruits). Lk 9:27 I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”
the only one I can think of is Steven, and I am sure many more that are not reported ,but many do not understand what is the kingdom of God
Pierre,To taste death is to know that you are dying.
Jesus said there are some standing there that will not taste death till they see the kingdom of God.This can apply to them back then, and also us now.
Those ones who were ashamed of Christ and his words back then are dead. Death sometimes gives no warning. It's easy. Close your eyes and go for a long sleep.To taste death is to know you are going to DIE. We all know that we die once. But some do not realise that there is a 2nd death. They think that they can do all the evil they can, then die and get away with it.
At the 2nd resurrection, all those who were ashamed of Christ and his words will find out what it is like to taste death, as they will receive their sentence…..into the lake of fire you go. That is the 2nd death. They will taste death then. THE SECOND DEATH. They will know it's coming, because our Lord will definately let them know he's sending them there.
j42what you say is not right ,think about it ;To taste death is to know that you are dying.; this is not what it is ,we all know that we will die ,this is NOT the taste of dead ,the taste of dead means dying in your sins ,without knowing if their is anything after for you ,
but for the true believer in truth and spirit God let them know through Christ and his holy spirit ,and so they do not taste dead ,
Quote At the 2nd resurrection, all those who were ashamed of Christ and his words will find out what it is like to taste death, as they will receive their sentence…..into the lake of fire you go. That is the 2nd death. They will taste death then. THE SECOND DEATH. They will know it's coming, because our Lord will definately let them know he's sending them there. this also does not seems right to me according to scriptures ,in the second resurrection ALL PEOPLE THAT WERE NOT IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION WILL BE IN THERE ;
because this is the resurrection of judgment according to what we have done or not done and should have done ,so all human ever lived will be there ,but God plan is not to start all over with them they will have only limited time to change and make up their mind and heart for Christ ,and their will be some that will not change and for those the second dead will be waiting
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