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Quote (2besee @ Dec. 31 2012,12:35) If I may be curious, how many here have been baptized in water?
Hi:I have been baptized in water and have also received the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
However, my understanding is that when Jesus states being born of water, he is referring to “being born of living water” which is the Word of God that has come to humanity through him. Water baptism is indeed part of that living water, but water baptism is an action showing that one has believed the Word of God, and has repented, and it symbolizes ones union with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection.
We are saved by “faith”, having believed the gospel message.
Quote Jhn 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. Jhn 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Jhn 4:11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
Jhn 4:12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
Jhn 4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
Jhn 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (2besee @ Dec. 31 2012,12:34) Wakeup, '”I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.'
Water and Spirit,
Two things.You are classing the first birth through the Mothers womb as being born of water and then jumping ahead to the 'being born of spirit', whilst missing out the 'water baptism' as was taught by the Disciples and the Apostles.
When we are baptized by water – that is only the beginning. Not all of those who are baptized with water are then born of Spirit. Baptism through water is an important first step to being born of Spirit.
I have shown you some scriptures that show this:
Mark 16:16
'He that believes and is baptized shall be saved'Acts 2:38
'Then Peter said to them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.'Romans 6:4
'We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.'
2Besee.Does a true believer that is babtised by the Holy spirit,but NOT babtised with water; does the water prevent him from receiving the kingdom? We are talking natural water here.
Nothing spiritual.Many are immerge in water that just wash their skin,but not the soul.
Does natural water refresh the soul?
most have showers every day,it washes their skin only.john3:5.6
EXEPT A MAN BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT,HE CAN NOT **ENTER INTO** THE KINGDOM OF GOD.6. THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE FLESH(water) IS FLESH,
AND THAT WHICH IS **BORN OF THE SPIRIT** IS
SPIRIT.NOTICE HE SAID IF YOU ARE *BORN* OF WATER YOU ARE FLESH; IS HE SAYING *BABTISED* IN WATER YOU ARE FLESH; OR *BORN*.
BUT YOU ARE CLAIMING OTHERWISE;YOU SAY, WHEN YOU ARE BABTISED IN WATER YOU ARE *SPIRIT*.NOT FLESH.
JESUS SAID *FLESH*; AND YOU ARE SAYING *SPIRIT*.
WE HAVE TO BE HUMAN; BORN OF WATER.
JESUS ALSO MUST BE BORN OF WATER (flesh).
THEREFORE HE WAS MADE FLESH.THE MISSING OF THE BABTISM OF JOHN; WILL NOT PREVENT HIM FROM ENTERING THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
wakeup.
Quote (942767 @ Dec. 31 2012,13:09) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,12:33) Marty. First of all Jesus said; NO MAN CAN COME TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME.(every person that had ever lived on earth must go through Jesus).
No man;and this includes the ones that died before and during the flood,will be judged by Jesus.
Therefore there will be a second resurrection,of all nations and tongues,and this will happen 1000yrs after the first resurrection. After gog and magogafter satan is cast in the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet were cast 1000yrs ago. Rev.20:6–15.
The first and the second resurrection are 1000yrs apart.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The blood that Jesus shed for the remission of our sins washes away the sins of every one who has served God from the beginning of time until the end.
All are part of the body of Christ, and will be raised in the first resurrection.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.I have to agree with you in this.
wakeup.
Wakeup,
Acts.19
[1] While Apol'los was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus. There he found some disciples.
[2] And he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said, “No, we have never even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
[3] And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” They said, “Into John's baptism.”
[4] And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”
[5] On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
[6] And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke with tongues and prophesiedQuote (942767 @ Dec. 31 2012,15:25) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 31 2012,12:35) If I may be curious, how many here have been baptized in water?
Hi:I have been baptized in water and have also received the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
However, my understanding is that when Jesus states being born of water, he is referring to “being born of living water” which is the Word of God that has come to humanity through him. Water baptism is indeed part of that living water, but water baptism is an action showing that one has believed the Word of God, and has repented, and it symbolizes ones union with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection.
We are saved by “faith”, having believed the gospel message.
Quote Jhn 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. Jhn 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Jhn 4:11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
Jhn 4:12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
Jhn 4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
Jhn 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Thank-you for sharing that.Quote (942767 @ Dec. 31 2012,13:25) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 31 2012,12:35) If I may be curious, how many here have been baptized in water?
Hi:I have been baptized in water and have also received the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
However, my understanding is that when Jesus states being born of water, he is referring to “being born of living water” which is the Word of God that has come to humanity through him. Water baptism is indeed part of that living water, but water baptism is an action showing that one has believed the Word of God, and has repented, and it symbolizes ones union with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection.
We are saved by “faith”, having believed the gospel message.
Quote Jhn 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. Jhn 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Jhn 4:11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
Jhn 4:12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
Jhn 4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
Jhn 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Jesus never said living waters,and he never mentioned babtism. But he said born. The whole conversation was about being born; not about babtism.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,15:55) BUT YOU ARE CLAIMING OTHERWISE;YOU SAY, WHEN YOU ARE BABTISED IN WATER YOU ARE *SPIRIT*.NOT FLESH.
No Wakeup I said that when you are baptized then you are reborn – it is as if you are starting again as an infant. You have to LEARN you have to FALL OVER – but soon you begin to see straight and then God begins to work in you. This is only the beginning.Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,16:07) The whole conversation was about being born; not about babtism.
But you said in the OP, first line:Quote Born of water is being interpreted as babtism? Quote (2besee @ Dec. 31 2012,14:02) Wakeup, Acts.19
[1] While Apol'los was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus. There he found some disciples.
[2] And he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said, “No, we have never even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
[3] And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” They said, “Into John's baptism.”
[4] And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”
[5] On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
[6] And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke with tongues and prophesied
2Besee.Now you are speaking of babtism of the Holy spirit.
Jesus babtise with the Holy spirit. Then we are filled with the Holy spirit; but we are still not spirit,but flesh.Flesh filled with the Holy spirit. This is the babtism we need.
wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 31 2012,16:10) You people seem to have quite a bit of hate toward other believers in the world, am I correct?
Hi Wakeup,What I mean by this is…. I notice a LOT of judging going on against those who are in the Churches on the outside. God has His people IN those Churches though.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,14:07) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 31 2012,13:25) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 31 2012,12:35) If I may be curious, how many here have been baptized in water?
Hi:I have been baptized in water and have also received the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
However, my understanding is that when Jesus states being born of water, he is referring to “being born of living water” which is the Word of God that has come to humanity through him. Water baptism is indeed part of that living water, but water baptism is an action showing that one has believed the Word of God, and has repented, and it symbolizes ones union with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection.
We are saved by “faith”, having believed the gospel message.
Quote Jhn 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. Jhn 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Jhn 4:11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
Jhn 4:12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
Jhn 4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
Jhn 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Jesus never said living waters,and he never mentioned babtism. But he said born. The whole conversation was about being born; not about babtism.
wakeup.
Hi wakeup:Jesus was speaking of a spiritual rebirth. Was he not?
Quote John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Matthew 28 states:
Quote Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen
I believe that these scriptures have been altered to state in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, and should read “baptizing them in my name”, but the point here is that baptism is part of the Word of God, and it is through obedience the Word that we have life.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (2besee @ Dec. 31 2012,14:20) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 31 2012,16:10) You people seem to have quite a bit of hate toward other believers in the world, am I correct?
Hi Wakeup,What I mean by this is…. I notice a LOT of judging going on against those who are in the Churches on the outside. God has His people IN those Churches though.
2Besee.We should not hate anybody,but love,and try to bring them to the fold.Sometimes with strong words to wake them.
Those that are in the chursches outside,dont know.
They have been mesmerised,but also their fault for not bother in seeking.wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 30 2012,19:06) Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 29 2012,13:56) If all Christians were thus faithful to this process, we would right now, all of us, as teachers, would be speaking the SAME word. But again, we aren't. Which leads back to MATURITY in the spirit, meaning, that as one is GROWING, of course there is expected to be “divisions” of opinions to a degree UNTIL that next growth spurt comes to open our eyes into agreement which leads again back to TEACHING and how one is NOT permitted to teach UNTIL one is FULLY MATURED…thus those still growing & learning, temporarily discerned on any given subject, are safely omitted from teaching thereby unable to muddy the pure waters of truth through impatience towards their desire to teach UNTIL they too come of age…but alas, again, many run ahead who were not YET called, and in so doing, put not only themselves, but others also through their pernicious doctrines at great jeapordy. Problem is, many who were not sent, run ahead and teach as though they were, hoping to be that which they are not…it is called EGO.
But only the humble are called to teach…
and mostly, these imposters are those who through university degrees have earned their worldly certificates as “men of God” but have put aside & neglected the true path to understanding which is rewarded through LIVING the truth with its many trials & tribulations which imparts wisdom and discernment & humility thus enabling greater patience & forbearance towards those still subject & struggling in their sins, & cancels out self righteousness & ego for it becomes evident to those who have walked before them that they too once struggled & toiled & through grace alone were they able to overcome that which they were enslaved to…meaning, it was through & by God ALONE from whence this victory came & NOT by our own efforts & righteousness.Something the majority of mainstream teachers love to point out to their parishes but exempt themselves from, behaving as though they have earned their place by their own merits.
We can study til the cows come home, but until we apply those teachings, deep understanding will NOT come.And because of slack teaching along with outright apostic teachings by powerful (economically speaking) institutions with self serving agendas, this subject has become a scourge.
Well said !But for one thing: If not for those “preachers” – I mean if they never existed – WHO would the people hear the words of God FROM?
You have to give them some respect. Otherwise we would all be proud – we would each be thinking that only we have the truth – where we need instead to be humble.
Hi 2besee,God could make the stones cry out if He so needed.
Yet God doesn't save stones now does He!
Do you understand what I mean by this?2besee, God has already told us about these preachers.
So I do not judge them, God already has.
Is God being proud?
Is speaking bluntly proud?
No it is not.
I am not a proud person neither.I am speaking of the Christian world as a whole, of course there would be some exceptions, an individual here, an individual there…but on the whole, the mainstream preachers and their congregations are still worldly and unable to come out of Babylon because of their love for the world.
One foot in Babylon & one foot in Zion.
Best of both worlds is their aim.
A “balanced life”.
They have been deceived by Satan through “blessings” they think are from God.
Satan loves all these opposing churches, so much division, so much pride, so little understanding.
He would be the first to help men decide which church best suits THEIR needs because he is in them ALL.You ask me to show respect to these men spiritually speaking?
You know, hindsight is a wonderful thing.
We can not know a matter like God can, but God has provided us with a great tool…time.
And time is a great revealer.
Go research many of these preachers and you will see a different picture reflected in their personal lives opposed to the lives they displayed in the open.2besee,
I am not judging who God saves and who He rejects at resurrection, because MANY of those Christians WILL be saved in the end, God reveals this, I acknowledge this, and am GLAD for this, so there goes the “dont be proud” warning out the door.Doors…doors are wonderful things.
They can open, and they can close.
And It's what goes on behind closed doors that God is concerned with.Again, ALL churches ARE teaching ERRORS except the one true church.
And that one true church does NOT hold shares, does not operate under government approval (Satan rules this world SYSTEM remember), do not get tax breaks, is not licensed with the SYSTEM, does not have business interests & dealings on the side, don't promote books for profit & fame, don't do TV appearances, interviews, do not sell dvds, do not sit at the best places at gatherings, are not exalted by men, do not go out into the world to be seen by men, do not become merchandise for these institutions, do not practice their version of charity that is really just a means to keep their tax bracket under their permitted allotment…etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc…in a word…WORLDY CHRISTIANS.
And their understanding reflects this.The one true church is none of the MAINSTREAM churches….that is certain.
I'm speaking of the HERE AND NOW.
NOT of their salvation.
THAT is Gods department.
I would never presume WHO gets saved and WHO doesn't…
People can change, even satanists.
THAT is what God means by “do not judge”, not to presume we know who is saved and who isn't.
Otherwise, “a man of God judges ALL things, yet is judged by no man” would be a contradiction against “do not judge”.
There is a bit more to that, but that is just a brief surmising.Thank you.
Hi Wakeup.
Baptism is (also) in a way a public declaration that you choose Jesus as your Lord.
Jesus said “Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.”
Do you go to town; do the shopping; pay the bills; walk in the park; say hello to a person, etc?
Well what about a public declaration of your love for God's son?Just saying.
Quote (942767 @ Dec. 31 2012,14:32) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,14:07) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 31 2012,13:25) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 31 2012,12:35) If I may be curious, how many here have been baptized in water?
Hi:I have been baptized in water and have also received the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
However, my understanding is that when Jesus states being born of water, he is referring to “being born of living water” which is the Word of God that has come to humanity through him. Water baptism is indeed part of that living water, but water baptism is an action showing that one has believed the Word of God, and has repented, and it symbolizes ones union with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection.
We are saved by “faith”, having believed the gospel message.
Quote Jhn 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. Jhn 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Jhn 4:11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
Jhn 4:12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
Jhn 4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
Jhn 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Jesus never said living waters,and he never mentioned babtism. But he said born. The whole conversation was about being born; not about babtism.
wakeup.
Hi wakeup:Jesus was speaking of a spiritual rebirth. Was he not?
Quote John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Matthew 28 states:
Quote Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen
I believe that these scriptures have been altered to state in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, and should read “baptizing them in my name”, but the point here is that baptism is part of the Word of God, and it is through obedience the Word that we have life.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.1.The renewing of the mind. receiving the Holy spirit.
2. Born again,in a new body. in the resurrection.wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 31 2012,14:42) Hi Wakeup. Baptism is (also) in a way a public declaration that you choose Jesus as your Lord.
Jesus said “Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.”
Do you go to town; do the shopping; pay the bills; walk in the park; say hello to a person, etc?
Well what about a public declaration of your love for God's son?Just saying.
2Besee.To be babtised in water is not wrong,its good if done in the name of God and his Son;If not its worth nothing.
But the walk is important.We be a jew amongst jews, we be a gentile amongst gentiles.
This means that we must use diplomacy;the aim is to bring them into the flock,but dont participate in their traditions.It is the sick that needs the docter,not the healthy.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,16:33) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 31 2012,14:20) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 31 2012,16:10) You people seem to have quite a bit of hate toward other believers in the world, am I correct?
Hi Wakeup,What I mean by this is…. I notice a LOT of judging going on against those who are in the Churches on the outside. God has His people IN those Churches though.
2Besee.We should not hate anybody,but love,and try to bring them to the fold.Sometimes with strong words to wake them.
Those that are in the chursches outside,dont know.
They have been mesmerised,but also their fault for not bother in seeking.wakeup.
Wakeup,How about the little old lady who goes to Church every week, and has no friends or family except for those in the Church. She loves God and puts all of her heart and love in God, she will soon grow old and die. Would you want to pull her away from all that she knows?
To what?What about the fifteen year old who hears the word of God through a sermon and stops doing what the rest of the world is doing at that age – what about him?
If you think that they are all bad, good can come out of something that you consider to be bad. I am thinking of one person who I know of right now.
All that I am saying is that, for you, Church is not your thing, and fair enough, me neither. But there is worser things out there than the churches and those who are in them, IMO.
We are off topic!
Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 31 2012,16:37) Hi 2besee, God could make the stones cry out if He so needed.
Yet God doesn't save stones now does He!
Do you understand what I mean by this?2besee, God has already told us about these preachers.
So I do not judge them, God already has.
Is God being proud?
Is speaking bluntly proud?
No it is not.
I am not a proud person neither.I am speaking of the Christian world as a whole, of course there would be some exceptions, an individual here, an individual there…but on the whole, the mainstream preachers and their congregations are still worldly and unable to come out of Babylon because of their love for the world.
One foot in Babylon & one foot in Zion.
Best of both worlds is their aim.
A “balanced life”.
They have been deceived by Satan through “blessings” they think are from God.
Satan loves all these opposing churches, so much division, so much pride, so little understanding.
He would be the first to help men decide which church best suits THEIR needs because he is in them ALL.You ask me to show respect to these men spiritually speaking?
You know, hindsight is a wonderful thing.
We can not know a matter like God can, but God has provided us with a great tool…time.
And time is a great revealer.
Go research many of these preachers and you will see a different picture reflected in their personal lives opposed to the lives they displayed in the open.2besee,
I am not judging who God saves and who He rejects at resurrection, because MANY of those Christians WILL be saved in the end, God reveals this, I acknowledge this, and am GLAD for this, so there goes the “dont be proud” warning out the door.Doors…doors are wonderful things.
They can open, and they can close.
And It's what goes on behind closed doors that God is concerned with.Again, ALL churches ARE teaching ERRORS except the one true church.
And that one true church does NOT hold shares, does not operate under government approval (Satan rules this world SYSTEM remember), do not get tax breaks, is not licensed with the SYSTEM, does not have business interests & dealings on the side, don't promote books for profit & fame, don't do TV appearances, interviews, do not sell dvds, do not sit at the best places at gatherings, are not exalted by men, do not go out into the world to be seen by men, do not become merchandise for these institutions, do not practice their version of charity that is really just a means to keep their tax bracket under their permitted allotment…etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc…in a word…WORLDY CHRISTIANS.
And their understanding reflects this.The one true church is none of the MAINSTREAM churches….that is certain.
I'm speaking of the HERE AND NOW.
NOT of their salvation.
THAT is Gods department.
I would never presume WHO gets saved and WHO doesn't…
People can change, even satanists.
THAT is what God means by “do not judge”, not to presume we know who is saved and who isn't.
Otherwise, “a man of God judges ALL things, yet is judged by no man” would be a contradiction against “do not judge”.
There is a bit more to that, but that is just a brief surmising.Thank you.
Hi Devolution.I know what you are saying, and Wakeup I know what you are saying, too. I have researched quite a lot and have seen the Kundalini Warning videos that were put out by Andrew Strom and that did disturb me and I have warned people. I know that every Church that I have seen is teaching errors. But it is the way that the world in general has become. Babylon to me is the world in general, not just the Churches, they are only a part of it. And in those churches are God's people, and they will probably remain there. They are still God's people.
Off topic! (:
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