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Nick,
God the Father is a Spirit Person.
The 'Spirit' of God is not like the Spirit of Man. The Spirit of God is the ONLY 'Holy' Spirit. This means that it is completely un tune with it's owner.The spirit of man is not 'Holy' and therefore would be disasterous if allowed free reign away from it's owner because we are sinful.
I told an allegorical story of aman, taunted by his neigbour for years who gave 'free reign' to his spirit.
The spirit came back to him just as the police arrived to arrest him and he 'came to his senses' when he realised that he had killed his neighbour.
Curiously, his first words to the police were, 'My God, what have I done?'Was he calling the police 'God'?
Hi JA,
The spirit given to man is of mortal life [Jas2.26]and returns to God[Ecc12]
But man is occupied territory and is driven by his residents till cleansed.
Designed as a temple for God Jesus drives out from us the squatters.Quote (JustAskin @ June 13 2010,09:16) Nick, God the Father is a Spirit Person.
The 'Spirit' of God is not like the Spirit of Man. The Spirit of God is the ONLY 'Holy' Spirit. This means that it is completely un tune with it's owner.The spirit of man is not 'Holy' and therefore would be disasterous if allowed free reign away from it's owner because we are sinful.
I told an allegorical story of aman, taunted by his neigbour for years who gave 'free reign' to his spirit.
The spirit came back to him just as the police arrived to arrest him and he 'came to his senses' when he realised that he had killed his neighbour.
Curiously, his first words to the police were, 'My God, what have I done?'Was he calling the police 'God'?
Hi JA,Do you think the spirit of man is sinful? I don't think that. The soul, the flesh yes, but if we listen to our spirit it will lead us to God. It's like this according to my understanding.
The soul is our thinking, reasoning, learning, understanding, decision making, our personality. and needs salvation.
The spirit of man is the conscience, the intuition, the “sixth sense” and that which has an eternal aspect.
The Scriptures talks about the body and soul being destroyed in the lake of fire, but no mention of the spirit. Mat 10.28
Oxy………A LIVING Soul is a BODY with SPIRIT IN it . A Dead person is a dead body with spirit removed no soul remains until GOD fashions another Body and adds Spirit back into it. Body + Spirit = A SOUL . When a man dies his thoughts (PARISH) NO longer exist he is gone-zo, no more to exist for ever, unless GOD resurrects a body for him and puts spirit back into it, as He did Jesus, he would never live again. We are (TOTALLY MORTALS) not Partially Mortals as some think they are. IMO
peace and love………………..gene
Oxy,
This is true what you say. And is not unknown to me.
My point was to make the distinction between the encumbered spirit of man and the freed spirit of God. This against the claim by Nick.
If my allegory is bad then I apologise.
Hi Oxy,
Man sought the knowledge of good and evil in Genesis.
But without the Spirit of God to guide and empower him it burdened him.Hi JA,
Jesus certainly cleanses and frees men by washing the inside of the cup.
But the spirit of man is given of God and returns to him.[ecc12]
The Word discerns between soul and spirit.[Heb4]Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 13 2010,09:46) Oxy………A LIVING Soul is a BODY with SPIRIT IN it . A Dead person is a dead body with spirit removed no soul remains until GOD fashions another Body and adds Spirit back into it. Body + Spirit = A SOUL . When a man dies his thoughts (PARISH) NO longer exist he is gone-zo, no more to exist for ever, unless GOD resurrects a body for him and puts spirit back into it, as He did Jesus, he would never live again. We are (TOTALLY MORTALS) not Partially Mortals as some think they are. IMO peace and love………………..gene
Sorry, totally disagree with you on this one. My soul and my spirit are two distinctly different things.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 13 2010,09:56) Hi Oxy,
Man sought the knowledge of good and evil in Genesis.
But without the Spirit of God to guide and empower him it burdened him.
Nick, I'm getting worried my friend. We seem to be doing a lot of agreeing lately.
Quote (Oxy @ June 12 2010,18:07) So which should disregard John 1:1? In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God? Was John mistaken?
Hi Oxy,First, you need to know what John 1:1 really says. The Greek is:
in beginning was the word and and the word was toward the god and god was the word
Do you see that one was “god” and the other was “THE God”? Jesus is not God just because translators capitalize the “g” in John 1:1. But this thread is about the difference between born and begotten (if any) and about WHEN Jesus became “the only begotten Son of God”.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Oxy @ June 13 2010,08:38) Sorry, totally disagree with you on this one. My soul and my spirit are two distinctly different things.
Is the marrow the bone or part of the bone?
Perhaps one is a part of the other and can be used interchangeably because of that?Quote (Oxy @ June 12 2010,18:08) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 12 2010,16:16) Hi Oxy, So Jesus is his own Son and God is his own God? Is that about right?
peace and love,
mike
Haha, how on earth did you get that out of what I said???
Hi Oxy,Well, you said:
Quote Jesus was not begotten in the Beginning because He was God and was with God..in the beginning. So in your (trinitarian, I assume) mind, the Son is God, and the Father is God. They are the same being, right?
Then you said:
Quote After the ressurection of Christ all authority was given to the restored Word of God (Jesus), so what did Father do? He did what He always wanted to do and received for Himself the same blessing He bestowed upon Abraham. He became a Daddy. Again the Son is God and the Father is God. So God is his own Son. And God is his own Father. Now add that to the fact that Jesus calls the Father “my God”, and you have God being his own God.
Understand how messed up this trinity thing is? Anyway, you asked, I've answered. But this is for another thread.
mike
Quote (JustAskin @ June 12 2010,23:07) Nick, If you knew the the hidden history then you would understand.
For did I not write
Gave preWarning – insight
Requested he take flight
But he stayed for the fight.Now, who in Scriptures could that be possibly be likened to? Don't think too much, it doesn't take a lot!
Really JA,More taunts and insults? There is no “hidden history”. You disagree with me on when Jesus is begotten and “asked my permission” to post your disagreement in the threads. I told you that you didn't need my permission to post anything anywhere. Then after t8 started this thread, you were still pm-ing me about “begotten” and I told you we should discuss it on the thread, not in pm's.
Since then, I've been discussing it, and you've been writing raps, insulting people and claiming some sort of victory while you avoid answering to my points. Are you going to take this discussion seriously and answer the scriptures I posted and my other points, or just keep imitating Roo?
You can't just post rants about how you believe and expect anyone to believe just because you say so in a rhyme. Are my posts too long for you? I'll shorten them. One question at a time, okay?
In John 3:16, Jesus says God GAVE His only begotten Son. In what sense did God GIVE His only begotten Son if he wasn't begotten until he was raised? Did God ever GIVE Jesus AFTER he was raised?
peace and love,
mikeQuote (t8 @ June 13 2010,11:27) Quote (Oxy @ June 13 2010,08:38) Sorry, totally disagree with you on this one. My soul and my spirit are two distinctly different things.
Is the marrow the bone or part of the bone?
Perhaps one is a part of the other and can be used interchangeably because of that?
Hi All,This one confuses me. Gene is right according to Genesis. It says “man BECAME a living soul”. But later, Jesus tells us to fear Him that can, after destroying the body, throw the soul in Gehenna.
And Nick is right that our spirit goes back to who it came from.
I don't know what to make of it all. I do know that Oxy's point about us consisting of three things is silly, IMO. Hey Oxy, which one of us consists of three separate yet equal persons?
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,12:09) And Nick is right that our spirit goes back to who it came from.
And that would be Yeshua.They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” (Acts 7:59, NAS)
Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 13 2010,12:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,12:09) And Nick is right that our spirit goes back to who it came from.
And that would be Yeshua.They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” (Acts 7:59, NAS)
Hi Paul,Are you talking about the same Stephen who could only see THE GLORY OF GOD because no man can see God. But he at the same time could see Jesus clearly, because Jesus is not God?
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,12:58) Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 13 2010,12:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,12:09) And Nick is right that our spirit goes back to who it came from.
And that would be Yeshua.They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” (Acts 7:59, NAS)
Hi Paul,Are you talking about the same Stephen who could only see THE GLORY OF GOD because no man can see God. But he at the same time could see Jesus clearly, because Jesus is not God?
peace and love,
mike
Are you going to address the appeal that Stephen made (or rather whom he directed it too)? Or just obfuscate?Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 13 2010,13:00) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,12:58) Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 13 2010,12:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,12:09) And Nick is right that our spirit goes back to who it came from.
And that would be Yeshua.They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” (Acts 7:59, NAS)
Hi Paul,Are you talking about the same Stephen who could only see THE GLORY OF GOD because no man can see God. But he at the same time could see Jesus clearly, because Jesus is not God?
peace and love,
mike
Are you going to address the appeal that Stephen made (or rather whom he directed it too)? Or just obfuscate?
You first, since I've asked this question of you a long time ago. Then I'll go.mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,13:24) Quote (Oxy @ June 12 2010,18:07) So which should disregard John 1:1? In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God? Was John mistaken?
Hi Oxy,First, you need to know what John 1:1 really says. The Greek is:
in beginning was the word and and the word was toward the god and god was the word
Do you see that one was “god” and the other was “THE God”? Jesus is not God just because translators capitalize the “g” in John 1:1. But this thread is about the difference between born and begotten (if any) and about WHEN Jesus became “the only begotten Son of God”.
peace and love,
mike
What version of the Bible is that? I have never seen it written like that before and I have 8 versions of the Bible.(AMP) IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. [Isa. 9:6.]
(ASV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(CEV) In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God.
(ESV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(GNB) In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(GNT+) εν1722 PREP αρχη746 N-DSF ην2258 V-IXI-3S ο3588 T-NSM λογος3056 N-NSM και2532 CONJ ο3588 T-NSM λογος3056 N-NSM ην2258 V-IXI-3S προς4314 PREP τον3588 T-ASM θεον2316 N-ASM και2532 CONJ θεος2316 N-NSM ην2258 V-IXI-3S ο3588 T-NSM λογος3056 N-NSM
(ISV) In the beginning, the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(JPS)
(KJV+) InG1722 the beginningG746 wasG2258 theG3588 Word,G3056 andG2532 theG3588 WordG3056 wasG2258 withG4314 God,G2316 andG2532 theG3588 WordG3056 wasG2258 God.G2316
(MKJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(RV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(Webster) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(YLT) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;
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