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My accusers have no revelation to make though they claim they have the Holy Spirit, 'who reveals truth'.Perhaps it is as one person says, 'You wouldn't want to hear what the Holy Spirit says about you'
Well, thank you for shielding me from me.
And Oxy, responding with a reflexion is [Not]edited 20/07/10 credible for one who claims to be in the Holy Spirit.
JA………Many claim few are, A claim is only a claim but proof is needed (the fruits of the spirit) not just accusation of others and self aggrandizements. IMO
peace and love……………………gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2010,18:13) Quote (Oxy @ July 15 2010,17:31) My, the love grows.. lol. I was born again on the 5th May 1978 and received the Holy Spirit probably about 5 weeks later. I remember it well. I had spent an hour worshipping the Lord and felt His presence in such a wonderful way. I was walking into town, still singing and praising God and then I opened my mouth but had nothing in mind to say and I started speaking in tongues. My excitement was just about more than I could contain. It was only a couple of weeks earlier He taught me about the gifts of the Spirit in the Scriptures. Since receiving the Holy Spirit I have prophesied, had word of knowledge, seen the sick healed and have done miracles by His power.
What “tongue” did you speak in? Spanish? German? French?mike
Hi Mike, no it wasn't/isn't an earthly language as far as I'm aware.Mar 16:17 And miraculous signs will follow to those believing these things: in My name they will cast out demons; they will speak new tongues;
1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I have become as sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal. (and yes, I do have charity
)1Co 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. For no one hears, but in spirit he speaks mysteries.
So you see, tongues is not just another earthly language.
Oxy………….I do believe there is a speaking in tongues but it only edifies those who are speaking in it , and must be translated for others to understand, Paul Said He would rather speak on word in a Known tongue then many in a unknown tongue.
peace and love…………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 19 2010,02:19) Oxy………….I do believe there is a speaking in tongues but it only edifies those who are speaking in it , and must be translated for others to understand, Paul Said He would rather speak on word in a Known tongue then many in a unknown tongue. peace and love…………………….gene
And what the speaking of tongues really helped with is the ones who instantly learned other nations languages so they could preach the gospel to all men.True, it does mention speaking the tongues of angels, but is that the “helpful” gift that God gave you? Are you explaining the gospel to angels, Oxy?
How would you being able to speak what would sound like gibberish to men be helpful to spreading the gospel among men?
That's why I thought maybe you were given another worldly language as a gift from God to further His purpose of teaching the good news to all nations, like it says in Acts,
5Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7Utterly amazed, they asked: “Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? 8Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs-we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”
Oh well, at least we know you can talk to angels, right?
mike
Hi MB,
Would you judge the GIFTS OF GOD according to your perceived idea of their usefulness?
The gift of tongues is to also help edify us[Jude 20] and to help us pray for needs we do not even know about[Rom 8.26f]Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 19 2010,04:19) Oxy………….I do believe there is a speaking in tongues but it only edifies those who are speaking in it , and must be translated for others to understand, Paul Said He would rather speak on word in a Known tongue then many in a unknown tongue. peace and love…………………….gene
You are exactly right Gene. Thanks.Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 19 2010,08:10) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 19 2010,02:19) Oxy………….I do believe there is a speaking in tongues but it only edifies those who are speaking in it , and must be translated for others to understand, Paul Said He would rather speak on word in a Known tongue then many in a unknown tongue. peace and love…………………….gene
And what the speaking of tongues really helped with is the ones who instantly learned other nations languages so they could preach the gospel to all men.True, it does mention speaking the tongues of angels, but is that the “helpful” gift that God gave you? Are you explaining the gospel to angels, Oxy?
How would you being able to speak what would sound like gibberish to men be helpful to spreading the gospel among men?
That's why I thought maybe you were given another worldly language as a gift from God to further His purpose of teaching the good news to all nations, like it says in Acts,
5Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7Utterly amazed, they asked: “Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? 8Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs-we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”
Oh well, at least we know you can talk to angels, right?
mike
Mike, the gift of tongues as I have explained it is correctly identified by Gene.I don't know about you, but I constantly pray in tongues to edify myself before the Lord, but I use english when speaking to people. The way it helps spread the Gospel is because the more edified I am and the closer to God I am, the more inclined I am to share His love and to be moved by the Holy Spirit.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 19 2010,08:18) Hi MB,
Would you judge the GIFTS OF GOD according to your perceived idea of their usefulness?
The gift of tongues is to also help edify us[Jude 20] and to help us pray for needs we do not even know about[Rom 8.26f]
Well done Nick!Oxy………Good point , see not everything here is hamming your head into a brick wall. Your honesty is greately loved Here brother.
peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 20 2010,03:42) Oxy………Good point , see not everything here is hamming your head into a brick wall. Your honesty is greately loved Here brother. peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Thanks for the kind comment Gene, but I don't really think many share your sentiment.Quote (karmarie @ July 14 2010,23:57) Hi David. Begotten doesnt always mean born,
Ideas are born, nations are born, children are born, many things are born not nessesarily the same (way).
As is begotten. More than one meaning.
Maybe, Before the creation of the world, How could Jesus be 'born' as we are born.. .. God is Spirit, God doesnt have the body we have, Jesus was as God.. Spirit, which is why he had to be born into a body on earth. So Jesus was never 'born' before time, he was 'begotten' ..chosen, how he came to be we dont know. (God said 'let there be' and there was) Genesis
Hi Karmarie,I'm almost 2 weeks older here and I learned a great deal since my first post.
You are right….begotten doesn't mean born.
It is the act of fathering or siring that is done on the male parent's side. (Causing the impregnation)
Bearing (being born) is the act of bringing forth from the female's side. (Releasing the impregnation)
David
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 19 2010,06:18) Hi MB,
Would you judge the GIFTS OF GOD according to your perceived idea of their usefulness?
The gift of tongues is to also help edify us[Jude 20] and to help us pray for needs we do not even know about[Rom 8.26f]
Nick Gene and Oxy,Your Father in heaven knows what you need before you even ask for it. (Matt 6:8)
And I'm pretty sure He would understand English as well as Oxy's angel language. So what's the point?
Nick and Gene, you defend someone who claims that God is a trinity and so is man, and then tries to back up his claim of “truth” by saying he has been given this gift from God. The fruits of what he claims the holy spirit is telling him should be enough for anyone to not take his claim seriously.
What if I told you I spoke in an angelic language to God and He answered that Nick was an idiot and we shouldn't believe anything he says? Would you also defend MY unsubstantiated claim, or would you fall back on scripture that says you will know truth by it's fruits?
Oxy, I have nothing personal against you. I actually like discussing with you. But would you just believe me if I claimed God had given me the gift of tongues, and through that gift, I came to know that all trinity believers will be thrown into hell?
It is just the CLAIM of a man. Where are the fruits of truth to substantiate this claim? Do you guys really think the holy spirit is leading Oxy to believe in a trinity against what scripture actually teaches?
mike
Hi MB,
Indeed many assume because they have tasted the powers from above that they no longer need to change and learn.
The gifts give us less excuse for teaching falsehoods.Mike……..Not everything Oxy said was wrong brother, Just like not everything you say is not right either. IMO
Oxy is our brother if God has excepted him who are we to cast dispersions. It's one thing to disagree with what a person say , it's quite another to cast dispersions on him or anyone else. “JUDGE OR CONDEMN NOTHING BEFORE THE TIME”. FOR WE Shall (ALL) stand before the judgement seat of Christ.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………….gene
Hi Nick and Gene,
Luke 21:8
He replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them.Matt 7
15″Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.Am I the only one who recognizes the bad fruit?
It seems that on HN, everyone tip-toes around anyone who claims, “This truth has come to me by way of holy spirit.” It seems everyone wants to be politically correct or something. Sorry guys, but I'm calling a spade a spade. I can't believe for a minute that God's spirit is teaching Oxy lies. And if they are not lies, I would think God's spirit would give him the gift of understanding so he could scripturally show all of us about the trinity God.
He teaches that it is okay to worship someone other than God Almighty as God. That is against the commandment of God Himself. And if his feelings are hurt by this, maybe he can find comfort knowing that the couple Joshua ran through with a spear in the desert for going against God's commandment probably had hurt feelings also.
mike
Hi MB,
Indeed there are mnany deceptions and false teachings.
Abide in the Word.Legends and myths that are not contributing to salvation do not deserve much energy.
Mike………..You teach preexistence , should we feel the same about you, because your lack of understanding? Let not take God the Fathers and Jesus Christ job on ourselves, we are told to Judge nothing before the time. If a man give so much as a drink of water to a disciple he in no wise shall lose his reward. Mike i have found Oxy honest with is beliefs and I believe GOD the Father has also. Lets let the Spirit have (IT'S) perfect works. “THO I HAVE ALL KNOWLEDGE AND HAVE NO LOVE I AM NOTHING” remember brother.
peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 26 2010,12:12) Mike………..You teach preexistence , should we feel the same about you, because your lack of understanding?
Gene,First, THE SCRIPTURES TEACH PRE-EXISTENCE, not me. Btw, when will you answer my question in the Phil 2 thread?
Second, I'm not the one saying “the holy spirit taught me” this or that. While I believe I am led to scriptures that support my beliefs, I'm not going to say, “God told me that Jesus pre-existed”.
Have I ever tried to justify my belief about any scripture by saying, “Well, that's how the holy spirit explained it to me.”?
mike
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