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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2010,17:55) To All……….Howbeit ,when the comforter comes , which is the Spirit of truth, comes it will not speak of its own initiative, but whatsoever it hears that will it speak. Spirit of GOD is (INTELLECT) from God and gives understanding into the mind and reveals truth to our minds enabling us to percieve the truth. Spirit does not speak audibly, it reveals truth in our minds, it cause us to speak it is the minds intellect and forms our thoughts. It takes it's place at the core of our Being. Those who have GOD'S Holy Spirit (IN) them are Godly minded. peace and love to you all………………………..gene
I agree with you on all points except that the Spirit is a being.. not just a power or intellect. When I asked the Lord how to best explain to people that the Holy Spirit is in fact a being His answer was so simple that I had to laugh. He simply asked me, “What is a spirit?” A spirit is a being, also known by some as a ghost. A living being.Hi Oxy,
The Spirit is of our God.
No scripture says the Spirit is a being.I thought you told us you relied on scripture??
Oxy………I can understand that Spirit is definitely (PART) of A being, Because a Soul is a body (matter) with Spirit in it. So if you consider the Spirit from that point of view , you may be thinking it is the being itself , however a (Being) or Person is both body and spirit. I will grant you that the spirit (intellect ) is the core of that being, is does express who he or she is. But the only being living outside of Matter is GOD himself and He is Spirit and fill His creation by emptying himself into it. In that way GOD is all and in ALL. But to say all Spirits are individual beings in would disagree, I would put it this way all beings have Spirit (IN) them. In fact all life has spirit in it or it could not live. IMO.
peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene
To All………….Back to the thread……….Born is the process of berth and it comes through a women, in this world. Begotten is when Impregnation takes Place (9 months before berth) , the same with GOD , he first begets us then later we are born into the Family of GOD. Jesus was Begotten at the Jordan river and latter Born again from GOD at his resurrection, the same with us. You must be Born again as Jesus was to enter into the family of GOD. John said He who is born of GOD can not sin , but he who is begotten of GOD keeps himself. He will not practice sinning because He has been begotten of GOD (God's seed abides in him) and he can not (practice sinning) because greater is He (Gods seed in you) then He that is in the world, You and everyone else in the world, so you can not (practice sin). That is not to say you still do not have sin in us because of our earthly bodies. IMO
peace and love to you all…………………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2010,22:57) Hi Oxy,
So by logic you derive that THE Spirit of God is a being?
Is your spirit a being??
So Nick, what is a spirit?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 10 2010,01:45) Oxy………I can understand that Spirit is definitely (PART) of A being, Because a Soul is a body (matter) with Spirit in it. So if you consider the Spirit from that point of view , you may be thinking it is the being itself , however a (Being) or Person is both body and spirit. I will grant you that the spirit (intellect ) is the core of that being, is does express who he or she is. But the only being living outside of Matter is GOD himself and He is Spirit and fill His creation by emptying himself into it. In that way GOD is all and in ALL. But to say all Spirits are individual beings in would disagree, I would put it this way all beings have Spirit (IN) them. In fact all life has spirit in it or it could not live. IMO. peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene
Gene, what is a demon? Is it not a spirit?Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2010,13:32) Hi Oxy,
Do you not have a spirit?[1thes 5.23]
Of course I do, why would you ask?Quote (Oxy @ July 09 2010,17:29) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2010,14:52) Quote (Oxy @ July 07 2010,20:08) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 07 2010,19:48) Hi Oxy,
jn.16.12-14
That's exactly my point Nick, the Spirit has borne witness to the things the Lord has taught me.
Hi Oxy,Could you ask the spirit why Jesus says the Father is the only true God, when Jesus and the Holy Spirit are also God?
Can you ask the spirit for me why the 3 in 1 godhead is NEVER mentioned in scripture? Tell the spirit that I am confused as to why something this significant isn't mentioned in a clear way so we can all know to worship all three like you do.
Thanks,
mike
Mike, I can only share with you what I have sharted before.. a number of times. Can you answer this question for me, then we can move on.Do you have a body?
Do you have a soul?
Do you have a spirit?Answer this for me and we will go to the next stage.
Hi Oxy,I honestly don't know. We have scriptures that say man “became” a living soul when God breathed into his nostrils. Then we have scriptures saying fear the one who, after destroying the body can pitch the soul into Gehenna. Are we a soul, or do we have one? I'm lost on this one, brother. Sorry.
mike
No problem Mike. I will try and clarify it for you.
The soul is your basic identity and includes your knowledge, your reasoning, your decision making and your personality.
The spirit of man includes the conscience, instinct, “gut feeling”, 6th sense etc.
At death the spirit returns to God, but the soul will only go to Heaven if salvation has been attained.1Th 5:23 And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blamelessly at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Heb 4:12 For the Word of God is living and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing apart of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
1Co 2:11 For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit of man within him? So also no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2010,16:44) Hi Oxy,
If you did not have a spirit you would be dead.[Jas2]
So the Spirit OF GOD is not a being.
Nick, what has my having a spirit got to do with the nature of the Holy Spirit?The very definition of the word “spirit” is a being, not physical, eg ghost, demon, Holy Spirit.
Hi Oxy,
Which definition that you offered fits your spirit?
God's Spirit is the Spirit OF God.The Spirit of The Father in us can speak in and though us.
Do you believe this?Mt 10 .20 'For it is not you who speak but THE SPIRIT OF YOUR FATHER who speaks in you”
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2010,21:16) Hi Oxy,
Which definition that you offered fits your spirit?
God's Spirit is the Spirit OF God.The Spirit of The Father in us can speak in and though us.
Do you believe this?Mt 10 .20 'For it is not you who speak but THE SPIRIT OF YOUR FATHER who speaks in you”
The Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit whom the Father sent. Can God send Himself?Hi Oxy,
Funny thing but the Spirit of the Father can speak through us.
Seems that God does send His Spirit.The Spirit proceeds from HIM.[Jn15]
He pours of His Spirit.[jl2]He sends forth His Spirit and they are created and He renews the face of the earth[From ps 104]
Oxy,
Can you understand you own sentence.
Use another relational element in place of 'The Holy Spirit'. Try 'Son'?
“The Son is the Son of God whom the Father sent. Can God send himself?”, is how your sentence now reads.
Oxy, notice anything?Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2010,16:09) Hi MB,
We are a soul in a body enlivened by a spirit.
Hi Nick,That makes perfect sense to me except one thing. When we die, the body goes back to dust, the spirit goes back to God, but what about the soul? Where does it go? If Oxy is right and the soul includes our knowledge and reasoning etc, what does Solomon mean when he says the dead are conscious of nothing at all?
Maybe the soul does just go into a deep sleep until awakened to judgement in the last days. I can live with that. What do you guys think?
mike
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