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Hi David,
We who are in Christ are already seated with him with the Father in Spiritual unity. The body of Christ is never separated fom the head.
Col 3.1fHi P,
If you have been reborn into the body of Christ, the church, then you are a part of Christ spiritually joined to the head, which is Christ, at the right hand of God. See 1 Cor 12. I will bring up threads.Hi Nick i was replying to Davids post. then I saw your post after I submitted mine
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PhoenixQuote 1 THESSALONIANS 4:17
“Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord.”Hi David:
I'm not sure that you saw my question under the kingdom of God thread, and so I'll ask it again here.
Just a simple question: If you should die today, can you say with certainty that you are saved?
Hi David, this is my first posting on this website, I am a new member, not familiar with this interaction, but here goes.
Jesus was only commisioned to the Hebrews, Matt.15,24 and Ro.15,8 and this remark was too them only, the “you” in “you must be born again” is plural, and refers to the nation of Isreal, this will be a spiritual rebirth when God makes the New Covenant with the house of Isreal as written in the book of Hebrews Heb.8,10-12. Then as stated in the book of Romans “All Isreal will be saved”.
I have found that the “Concordant Publishing Concern” has a great deal of valuable teaching of scripture, thier website is “Concordand.org”. Thanks for letting me reply.
Jerry.Quote (Kupchuk @ Feb. 26 2007,05:46) You must be born again.
Jesus was commisioned only to the Hebrews, Matt.15,24 and Ro.15,8 and this remark was to them only, the “you” in “you must be born again” is plural, and refers to the nation of Isreal. This will be a spiritual rebirth when God makes the “New Covenant” with the House of Isreal as written in the book of Hebrews, Heb.8,10,12. Then “All Isreal will be saved”, as stated in Romans.
I have found much truth in the teachings of the “Concordant Publishing Concern”, web site Concordant.org. Thanks for letting me reply.
Jerry.Quote (942767 @ Feb. 26 2007,04:04) Hi David: I'm not sure that you saw my question under the kingdom of God thread, and so I'll ask it again here.
Just a simple question: If you should die today, can you say with certainty that you are saved?
If he died today then maybe he could since he would know that on that day he was abiding in Christ.However, to predict if any of us will be abiding in Christ at the hour of our death is impossible.
Who can say who will ascend unto heaven? Or who will descend to the depths.
Quote If you should die today, can you say with certainty that you are saved? ZEPHANIAH 2:3
“seek Jehovah, all YOU meek ones of the earth, who have practiced His own judicial decision. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably YOU may be concealed in the day of Jehovah’s anger.”A person’s being concealed in the day of Jehovah’s anger is only a probability when he begins to seek righteousness and meekness. Preservation will depend on an individual’s continuing to seek meekness and righteousness.
There was no room for self-confidence.
It is true that: “He that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.” (Matthew 24:13)
Sorry, back to your question:
Quote If you should die today, can you say with certainty that you are saved?
I am not in a judging position, and do not even know what tomorrow will bring.Hi Jerry. I noticed (I think) that you addressed some words to me in white. It hurts my eyes to read those words. Please pick an easier color. Also, why the wolf? I”ve had bad experiences with people who choose to represent themselves by the wolf.
david
Quote (Morning Star @ Feb. 26 2007,08:57) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 26 2007,04:04) Hi David: I'm not sure that you saw my question under the kingdom of God thread, and so I'll ask it again here.
Just a simple question: If you should die today, can you say with certainty that you are saved?
If he died today then maybe he could since he would know that on that day he was abiding in Christ.However, to predict if any of us will be abiding in Christ at the hour of our death is impossible.
Who can say who will ascend unto heaven? Or who will descend to the depths.
Hi Morning Star:My question was not to you but rather to David and there is a reason for asking him that question. However, Romans 8:1fs states that there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus who do not walk after the flesh but after the Spirit,
Also, John 3:18 states: “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God”.
I know that if I die today that I am saved because I have been born again and that I am striving to obey the commandments that have come to me from God through Jesus my Lord.
But again, the question was not to you but to David.
Romans 8:9-11 states: But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, HE IS NOT HIS. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Christ is in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you”.
The JWs believe that only the 144,000 are born again, and so my question to David was to try to help him to see that it is necessary for all who profess to be Christians to be born again, and if has not been born again he can be, and now since you inferferred where would you like to go from here?
God Bless
Sorry, I didnt think I was interferring nor did I think I was answering on David's behalf. I thought I was contributing to a public conversation.
Romans 10
6But the righteousness based on faith says, “Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'” (that is, to bring Christ down) 7or “'Who will descend into the abyss?'” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).Quote I know that if I die today that I am saved because I have been born again
A lot of people “know” a lot of things. And a lot of people who “know” they are born again, will look at you with a glazed over deer in the headlights look when you ask them what they will be doing in heaven or why they are going to heaven. 94, I know that you are sincere in your beliefs. The problem is, many many people truly believe that they are doing the will of the Father, when in fact Jesus will say to many such ones: “Get away from me…” (Mat 7)Of course, I am not judge of anything.
Let's look a little further into Romans 8:
ROMANS 8:15-17
“For YOU did not receive a spirit of slavery causing fear again, but YOU received a spirit of adoption as sons, by which spirit we cry out: “Abba, Father!” The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children. If, then, we are children, we are also heirs: heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ, provided we suffer together that we may also be glorified together.”“joint heirs with Christ.” What are you an heir to, with Christ?
Quote The JWs believe that only the 144,000 are born again JAMES 2:5
“Listen, my beloved brothers. God chose the ones who are poor respecting the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom”A kingdom is a government. Not all in your country are part of the government, are they? No. Certain ones, a special few were chosen by God for a special purpose, to be judges and priests and kings and rule with Christ, as heirs of God's kingdom.
We need not all be in that kingdom or a part of that kingdom to benefit from it, in the same way that I don't have to be a part of the Canadian government to benefit from it. I can be under it and benefit from it's rule without actually being a part of it.Jesus told Nicodemus that those who are “born again . . . enter into the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3-5)
Today, we pray for that kingdom to come.
It will eventually crush all human governments. (dan 2:44)
Christ rules in that kingdom with 144,000 joint heirs, associate rulers.JOHN 3:3-5
“In answer Jesus said to him: “Most truly I say to you, Unless anyone is BORN AGAIN, [“Is born again.” Lit., “should be generated from above.” Gr., gen·ne·theí áno·then.] he cannot SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD.” Nicodémus said to him: “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter into the womb of his mother a second time and be born, can he?” Jesus answered: “Most truly I say to you, Unless anyone is BORN FROM WATER AND SPIRIT, HE CANNOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.” (NWT)John 3:5 (New International Version)
Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD unless he is born of water and the Spirit.John 3:5 (New American Standard Bible)
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.John 3:5 (The Message)
Jesus said, “You're not listening. Let me say it again. Unless a person submits to this original creation–the “wind hovering over the water' creation, the invisible moving the visible, a baptism into a new life–it's not possible to ENTER GOD’S KINGDOM.John 3:5 (Amplified Bible)
Jesus answered, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, unless a man is born of water and [[a]even] the Spirit, he cannot [ever] ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.John 3:5 (New Living Translation)
Jesus replied, “The truth is, no one can ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD without being born of water and the Spirit.John 3:5 (King James Version)
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.John 3:5 (English Standard Version)
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.John 3:5 (Contemporary English Version)
Jesus answered:
I tell you for certain that before you can GET INTO GOD’S KINGDOM, you must be born not only by water, but by the Spirit.John 3:5 (21st Century King James Version)
Jesus answered, “Verily, verily I say unto thee, unless a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.John 3:5 (Young's Literal Translation)
Jesus answered, `Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born of water, and the Spirit, he is not able to ENTER INTO THE REIGN OF GOD;John 3:5 (Darby Translation)
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except any one be born of water and of Spirit, he cannot ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.John 3:5 (New Life Version)
Jesus answered, “For sure, I tell you, unless a man is born of water and of the Spirit of God, he cannot GET INTO THE HOLY NATION OF GOD.John 3:5 (Holman Christian Standard Bible)
Jesus answered, ” I assure you: Unless someone is born (A) of water and the Spirit, (B) [a] he cannot ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.John 3:5 (New International Reader's Version)
Jesus answered, “What I'm about to tell you is true. No one can ENTER GOD’S KINGDOM without being born through water and the Holy Spirit.John 3:5 (Wycliffe New Testament)
Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to thee, but a man be born again of water, and of the Holy Ghost, he may not ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.John 3:5 (Worldwide English (New Testament))
Jesus said, `I tell you the truth. This new birth is by water and by the Spirit. No person can ENTER GOD’S KINGDOM if he has not been born that way.So, the question is: What does it mean to “enter into the kingdom of God,” “enter the kingdom of God,” “enter the reign of God,” “enter the holy nation of God,” or “enter God’s kingdom”?
That would depend on what God’s kingdom is.
Jesus’ disciples understood the Kingdom to be an actual government of God, though they did not comprehend the reach of its domain. Nathanael said to Jesus: “Rabbi, you are the Son of God, you are King of Israel.” (Joh 1:49) They knew the things foretold about “the holy ones” in the prophecy of Daniel. (Da 7:18, 27) Jesus directly promised his apostolic followers that they would occupy “thrones.” (Mt 19:28) James and John sought certain privileged positions in the Messianic government, and Jesus acknowledged that there would be such privileged positions, but he stated that the assigning of these rested with his Father, the Sovereign Ruler. (Mt 20:20-23; Mr 10:35-40)
So, whereas his disciples mistakenly limited Messiah’s kingly rule to earth and specifically to fleshly Israel, even doing so on the day of the resurrected Jesus’ ascension (Ac 1:6), they correctly understood that it referred to a governmental arrangement.—Compare Mt 21:5; Mr 11:7-10.God has purposed to associate a limited number of faithful humans with Jesus Christ in the heavenly Kingdom
Luke 12:32: “Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom.”
Rev. 14:1-3: “I saw, and, look! the Lamb [Jesus Christ] standing upon the Mount Zion [in heaven; see Hebrews 12:22-24], and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. . . . And they are singing as if a new song . . . and no one was able to master that song but the hundred and forty-four thousand, who have been bought from the eart
h.”As I said before, certain ones have been given a special privilege:
Rev. 20:6: “They will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years.”
1 Cor. 6:2: “Do you not know that the holy ones will judge the world?”Rulers have subjects. We are fleshly physical beings. The reason some have to be born again is that they will rule with Christ in heaven, and will have to be given bodies of a different sort.
1 Cor. 15:50: “This I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption.”
John 3:6: “What has been born from the flesh is flesh, and what has been born from the spirit is spirit.” (So, those who make up the kingdom (divinely instituted government with Christ and his associate rulers would have to be “born from the spirit,” to inherit the heavenly kingdom.)94, I have spoken a lot about this in the first several pages of this thread.
Hi David:
And so obviously you don't want to answer the question that I posed. Also, you did not make any comments relative to the sripture that I have Morning Star as to why I know that if I should die today that I am saved, and any Christian should know whether or not he is saved. Ephesians 2:8-9 states: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hat before ordained that we should walk in them”.
Romans 8:1 states: “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit”. John 3:16-18 states: “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. HE THAT BELIEVETH ON HIM IS NOT CONDEMNED: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God”.
Romans 8:8-11 states: “Son then ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. NOW IF ANY MAN HAVE NOT THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, HE IS NONE OF HIS. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin: but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. BUT IF THE SPIRIT OF HIM THAT RAISED JESUS FROM THE DWELL IN YOU, HE THAT RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD SHALL ALSO QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES BY HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLETH IN YOU”.
The above scriptures tell me that unless someone has the Spirit of Christ he is not a Christian.
Simply put the Kingdom of God consists of the King our Lord Jesus and those who are subjected to God through him. “Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter inot the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of Spirit is spirit”. (John 3:5-6)
God Bless
Hi david,
You say
“The reason some have to be born again is that they will rule with Christ in heaven, and will have to be given bodies of a different sort.”So Nicodemus makes the team.
Who else?Are you out of sins??
Let your yes be yes or your No be no
If you are born of God which is born again you cannot sin
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Anyone can say they are born again? Dust in the wind!
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
birth again until Christ be formed in you born
Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
Gal 4:20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.
Gal 4:21 ¶ Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?Don’t be deceived that born again is that easly received without suffering no child is brought forth without suffering
Jhn 16:21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.Jhn 16:22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.
Why stand their and waste time? an adoption must wit to be named and ordained a Son of God? you just cant make yourself one by saying you are already?
you will still suffer the fire; its not safe to tally around arguing if you have peace because arguing is not peace?; for one who has recieved will be leading others swiftly to safety of the coming thief.charity
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.Born again made a law? And shall make you suffer in vain without rest?
Following the law given for the sinners and observing and causing yourself to suffer to obey is not going to make you born again but a captive
This is not the suffering accounted worthy to receive
Have you now become perfect in the flesh only?Jam 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.
Jhn 16:22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.Gal 3:10 ¶ For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 4:20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.
Gal 4:21 ¶ Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
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