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“You must be born again”. A statment used by some saying that is a message for all, but misunderstand its true meaning.
DETAILS OF THE NEW BIRTH
The new birth is crystallized in the familiar words: “you must be born anew” (John 3:7). Our elaboration of it must be sought either in the words of the Lord Jesus, of those who heard Him, or in the Hebrew revelation. It was a matter which Nicodemus ought to have known and taught in Israel, for the prophets had much to say regarding it. Actually, it is the new covenant stated in a few words. What the new covenant brings to Israel is the measure of the significance of the new birth.
A detail of the words “you must be born anew,” which is usually ignored, is that the word “you” is plural. This is not the only case where the plural pronoun is of importance in guiding understanding. The plural speaks of the nation of Israel and not of individuals. An example is seen in Matthew 5:14, “You are the light of the world.” So also the words of John 3:7 indicate that it is Israel’s sons as a whole, as a nation, which must be born anew. The prophet Isaiah speaks of a nation born at one time (Isa.66:8).Blessings.
chosenone
There are three types of birth;
Born of the flesh, born from above, and born again or born of the spirit.
Jesus was trying to explain the “born again” to Nicodemus, or born of the spirit.
Unless you are born again, resurrected as a spirit being, you can't see the kingdom of God because it is a spiritual kingdom.
Born from above is when you receive the word of God, and begin to live by it; it changes you from the inside out.
I think every body knows what born of the flesh is.
This statement, “you must be born again”, has nothing to do with being an Israelite, or the new covenant, it is for saints from all nations as this scripture shows.Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Georg
The new birth simply means you will receive a new spirit. There is more than one type of rebirth since King Saul underwent a rebirth of a type and yet could not have underwent the rebirth of the new covenant which would not be available for hundreds of years.
Hi Georg.
See Matt.15:24 to understand to whom Jesus' message was to. It's also explained in Ro.15:8 and Ro.15:16.We must “correctly cut the word of truth”. (2Tim.2:15)
Blessings.
Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2009,17:15) The new birth simply means you will receive a new spirit. There is more than one type of rebirth since King Saul underwent a rebirth of a type and yet could not have underwent the rebirth of the new covenant which would not be available for hundreds of years.
Hi kerwin.
We, the 'nations', never were under the “old covenant”, though now we are under the covenant of “Grace”.
The “new covenant”, which will be made with Isreal and explained in Hebrews8:8-13… is still future:“Lo! the days are coming,” the Lord is saying, “And I shall be concluding with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant,
9 Not in accord with the covenant which I make with their fathers In the day of My taking hold of their hand To be leading them out of the land of Egypt, Seeing that they do not remain in My covenant, And I neglect them,” the Lord is saying,
10 “For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days,” the Lord is saying: “Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.
11 And by no means should each be teaching his fellow citizen, And each his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord!' For all shall be acquainted with Me, From their little to their great,
12 For I shall be propitious to their injustices, And of their sins and their lawlessnesses should I under no circumstances still be reminded.”
13 In saying “new,” He has made the former old. Now that which is growing old and decrepit is near its disappearance.Blessings.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 03 2009,16:26) Hi Georg,
We are reborn while we walk the earth[1Peter1] just as Jesus was.
Nick, read the begining of first chapter of 1Peter, this explains to whom Peter was writing to:…to the chosen expatriates of the dispersion of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, the province of Asia, and Bithynia,…
A little understanding of 2Tim.2:15, will help greatly in your understanding of scripture.
Hi CO,
Guess what.
The body of Christ is one.
Men are still being added and the words of the apostles belong to them too.Unwise to cast such pearls before swine though.
Nick.
Useing scripture that was for Israel while under the law is not relevant in todays gospel of “Grace”.
You must “correctly cut the word of truth”Hi CO,
His words are spirit and truth and preserved for all men having first been offered to Israel.Hi CO,
Who are you quoting here?
DETAILS OF THE NEW BIRTHThe new birth is crystallized in the familiar words: “you must be born anew” (John 3:7). Our elaboration of it must be sought either in the words of the Lord Jesus, of those who heard Him, or in the Hebrew revelation. It was a matter which Nicodemus ought to have known and taught in Israel, for the prophets had much to say regarding it. Actually, it is the new covenant stated in a few words. What the new covenant brings to Israel is the measure of the significance of the new birth.
A detail of the words “you must be born anew,” which is usually ignored, is that the word “you” is plural. This is not the only case where the plural pronoun is of importance in guiding understanding. The plural speaks of the nation of Israel and not of individuals. An example is seen in Matthew 5:14, “You are the light of the world.” So also the words of John 3:7 indicate that it is Israel’s sons as a whole, as a nation, which must be born anew. The prophet Isaiah speaks of a nation born at one time (Isa.66:8). “The rebirth from above is an ongoing promise to all whom Gpd calls.
Acts 2.39chosenone
Mat. 15:24 has to do with the 70 weeks of Dan. 9:24.
When the 70 weeks were up, Peter was given to understand that the Holy Spirit was poured out on the Gentiles also, Acts 10:45.For crying out loud, you just made me burn my chicken, Irene is going to fire me.
Anyway, you haven't answered my question; who are all these people?
Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Georg
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 03 2009,15:29) Hi CO,
Who are you quoting here?
DETAILS OF THE NEW BIRTHThe new birth is crystallized in the familiar words: “you must be born anew” (John 3:7). Our elaboration of it must be sought either in the words of the Lord Jesus, of those who heard Him, or in the Hebrew revelation. It was a matter which Nicodemus ought to have known and taught in Israel, for the prophets had much to say regarding it. Actually, it is the new covenant stated in a few words. What the new covenant brings to Israel is the measure of the significance of the new birth.
A detail of the words “you must be born anew,” which is usually ignored, is that the word “you” is plural. This is not the only case where the plural pronoun is of importance in guiding understanding. The plural speaks of the nation of Israel and not of individuals. An example is seen in Matthew 5:14, “You are the light of the world.” So also the words of John 3:7 indicate that it is Israel’s sons as a whole, as a nation, which must be born anew. The prophet Isaiah speaks of a nation born at one time (Isa.66:8). “The rebirth from above is an ongoing promise to all whom Gpd calls.
Acts 2.39
Hi NHGood ear. Obviously it is more plagiarism. Why can’t people be honest without pasting someone else’s material and putting it off as their own?
The source of COs post is Found here.
WJ
Quote (Cindy @ June 04 2009,08:15) chosenone Mat. 15:24 has to do with the 70 weeks of Dan. 9:24.
When the 70 weeks were up, Peter was given to understand that the Holy Spirit was poured out on the Gentiles also, Acts 10:45.For crying out loud, you just made me burn my chicken, Irene is going to fire me.
Anyway, you haven't answered my question; who are all these people?
Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Georg
GeorgMatt.15:24 …Now He (Jesus), answering, said, “I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Meaning His commission was to Israel.Anyway, you haven't answered my question; who are all these people?
Answer …Palm branches were used in celebrating the feast of tabernacles (Lev.23:40). It was a sign that they had come into the land. Here it is the assurance of entrance into the kingdom. The 144,000 are the first fruits (14:4). These correspond to the feast of ingathering after the full harvest (Lev.23:39). The fact that they come out of every nation and all tribes and peoples and languages does not forbid their being Israelites, for Jews are scattered among all the peoples of the earth. The fact that they keep this feast is sufficient evidence that they, like the 144,000, are out of the sons of Israel. These are those of the dispersion who conquer through the blood of the Lambkin (7:14, 12:11) and do not love their souls until death. They are the martyrs needed to complete those slain before the great affliction (6:11) seen under the altar under the fifth seal.
(Copied from Concordant Publishing Concern)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 04 2009,10:33) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 03 2009,15:29) Hi CO,
Who are you quoting here?
DETAILS OF THE NEW BIRTHThe new birth is crystallized in the familiar words: “you must be born anew” (John 3:7). Our elaboration of it must be sought either in the words of the Lord Jesus, of those who heard Him, or in the Hebrew revelation. It was a matter which Nicodemus ought to have known and taught in Israel, for the prophets had much to say regarding it. Actually, it is the new covenant stated in a few words. What the new covenant brings to Israel is the measure of the significance of the new birth.
A detail of the words “you must be born anew,” which is usually ignored, is that the word “you” is plural. This is not the only case where the plural pronoun is of importance in guiding understanding. The plural speaks of the nation of Israel and not of individuals. An example is seen in Matthew 5:14, “You are the light of the world.” So also the words of John 3:7 indicate that it is Israel’s sons as a whole, as a nation, which must be born anew. The prophet Isaiah speaks of a nation born at one time (Isa.66:8). “The rebirth from above is an ongoing promise to all whom Gpd calls.
Acts 2.39
Hi NHGood ear. Obviously it is more plagiarism. Why can’t people be honest without pasting someone else’s material and putting it off as their own?
The source of COs post is Found here.
WJ
WJ.
I have quoted from the “Concordant Publishing Concern” many times in the past, and have usually included that I copied it from there. This time I neglected to do so, I didn't think it all that important. It expresses my viewpoint better than I could put it in my own words. Your comments accusing me of 'plagiarism' is uncalled for. I'm not using someone elses 'material' as my own, Their explanation on this subject expresses my opinion better than I could using my own words. In future I will continue to use others opinions if they reflect mine as well, only I will make sure to quote the source, to satisfy critics such as you.Blessings.
Chosenone wrote:
Quote We, the 'nations', never were under the “old covenant”, though now we are under the covenant of “Grace”.
I am not exactly going to agree with you here.
First even the Gentiles are covered by the covenant God made with Noah and must adhere to the seven laws of Noah according to Jewish theology. In short they too must love their neighbor as themselves.
Second the Jews were evangelicals in that they strove to gain converts from the other nations. These converts became Jews. Scripture speaks of them. The Law of Mosses which we call the “Old Covenant” was and is for both the Hebrew people and those who convert. I suppose you can consider them naturalized Hebrews.
Chosenone wrote:
Quote The “new covenant”, which will be made with Isreal and explained in Hebrews8:8-13… is still future:
I have no idea what you are speaking of but the New Covenant I am speaking of was established by the death of Jesus the Anointed One, enforced by him after he ascended to his Father and our Father, and many entered it on that Pentecost so long ago.
Scripture prophesized of it with these words:
Jeremiah 31:31-34(NIV) reads:
Quote
“The time is coming,” declares the LORD,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah.
It will not be like the covenant
I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to [d] them, [e] ”
declares the LORD.
“This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time,” declares the LORD.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,'
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the LORD.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2009,18:23) Hi CO,
So why do you quote other men?
Is that where your faith rests?
NH. Do you not sometimes quote Jesus' or Pauls words? They are 'other men”, are they not?
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