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Nick, stop being so blind. What about salvation? What about the death and resurrection of Jesus?
The church was growing and many were being converted. It was the fulfilment of 2 Thess. 2 that showed how the faith became corrupted and the man of sin came about. It was a devastating attack on the gospel and turned the world toward the course that has brought us to the end of days as spoken of in Revelations.
Hi H,
Looks, as usual, that only one view of these matters is worth considering,
and will be tolerated and any other views belong to the blind.Indeed what is new.
Nick, this is what is wrong with the world. Everyone thinks it is alright to compromise the Word of God. Everyone says that there are many meaning of scriptures. So many interpretations on how to interpret the Word of God.
What about the unction of the Holy Spirit? Does that not account for anything? The world has abandoned the ways of the Lord for the ways of the flesh. And because of this, the sons of perdition cover the entire face of the earth.
Oh what an evil and perverse generation we live in. Any who doubt that the judgement of God is not near will be shaken to the bone. For the day of the wrath of the Almighty God is at hand and he will punish the world for it's iniquity.
The world cannot see the truth for the truth is not in them. They would rather believe a lie. Their love of sin is greater then their love for God.
Hi H,
You should not consider that your anointing is complete and better than all others enjoy.
You should not expect that your words are taken as gospel.
None of us is complete.
None can do without the other members of the body.
All of us see imperfectly and our mouths produce fresh and fetid water.And you shouldn't put words in other's mouths. If your understanding of scripture is as awful as it is of people, it is no wonder your doctrine cannot hold water. I have never once said I have a monopoly on scripture. For all who are of the Holy Spirit, all who are born again and walk in Christ receive the same truth by faith. Some in large doses and some in smaller. Yet, all who walk in Christ, all who are filled with the Holy Spirit are given truth from the author of all truth.
The Lord will manifest himself through his Word by the unction of the Holy Spirit. And as the believer grows in faith, the Father reveals more of himself through his Word. The more the believer walks in Christ, the more the Father reveals himself to him. And the more the Father reveals, the stonger the faith of the believer. It is growing in faith, walking in the Spirit. It is the walk of faith.
Hi H,
And the words of the prophets are to be judged by the prophets?
Then stop judging people without love, and stay with judging their words.Nick, all who asked Jesus to forgive them of their sins, wouldn't have that feeling of guilt. It is God who calls us to him. When one is convicted in his heart, when one realizes he is guilty of sin, he repents. It is salvation, God's free gift to the world. Yet, the love of sin is greater then the love for God. The world has created God in their own image and they say this and they say that, but they continue in sin. If the world was doing the will of God, the world would be becoming a better place. Yet, it is not.
So H,
What has this to do with men doing the judging work of God?The saved will be judges in the time appointed.
” 4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
Jesus will judge the rest of the people.
Rev 20
“11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”
So we should avoid it now if possible.
Luke 10:17-18
17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”
18 He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.When did he see Satan fall from heaven?
Right then, in the past, a future vsion?t8,
Jesus had just chosen 70 disciples, and he “sent them forth by twos in advance of him into every city and place to which he himself was going to come.”When the 70 returned, they were rejoicing over the success of their mission.
“Lord, even the demons are made subject to us by the use of your name,” they said.
At that point, Jesus said: “I began to behold Satan already fallen like lightning from heaven.”—Luke 10:1, 17, 18.At first, it may seem that Jesus was referring to an event that had already taken place. Yet, 60 years after Jesus uttered the above words, the aged apostle John employed similar language, writing:
“Down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.”—Revelation 12:9.
When John penned those words, Satan still resided in heaven. How do we know? Because Revelation is a book of prophecy, not history. (Revelation 1:1) Hence, as of John’s day, Satan had not yet been cast down to earth. In fact, evidence shows that this did not occur until shortly after Jesus was enthroned as King of God’s Kingdom.—Revelation 12:1-10.
Why, then, did Jesus speak of Satan’s ouster from heaven as if it had already happened?
Some scholars suggest that Jesus was rebuking his disciples for showing improper pride. They believe that he, in effect, was saying: ‘You triumphed over the demons, but do not become boastful. Satan became prideful, and that led to his quick downfall.’However, it seems more likely that Jesus was rejoicing with his disciples and referring to Satan’s future demise. More than any of his disciples, Jesus was well aware of the vicious animosity of the Devil. Imagine the joy Jesus felt at hearing that the powerful demons were being made subject to his imperfect human disciples! This subjugation of the demons was just a foregleam of the future day when Jesus would battle with Satan and cast him from heaven to earth.
Also, when Jesus said that he beheld Satan “already fallen,” he was evidently underscoring the certainty of Satan’s fall. This is similar to other Bible prophecies that speak of future events in the past tense.
For example, note the mixing of past and future tenses in the prophecy concerning the Messiah at Isaiah 52:13–53:12. Jesus likely was expressing confidence that Satan’s ouster from heaven would take place according to His Father’s purpose. Jesus was also certain that in God’s due time, Satan and his demons would be abyssed and later destroyed once and for all.—Romans 16:20; Hebrews 2:14; Revelation 20:1-3, 7-10.
david
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 13 2006,06:36) Luke 10:17-18
17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”
18 He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.When did he see Satan fall from heaven?
Right then, in the past, a future vsion?
Hi t8,
Good question.
But it speaks of Satan alone.
I think it is a prophetic vision of the future battle won.How can you still not understand. Read what the Word of God says. It says that the accuser was cast out. The brethren overcame the accuser by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony. What was their testimony? Don't you get it? Jesus took away all sin on the cross. It died with him for all who believe in Christ. So all who are saved are free of sin. How can the accuser accuse, when there is nothing to be accused of? We are free indeed.
Romans 10:9 that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:10 For with the heart, one believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rev. 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Sep. 14 2006,00:09) How can you still not understand. Read what the Word of God says. It says that the accuser was cast out. The brethren overcame the accuser by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony. What was their testimony? Don't you get it? Jesus took away all sin on the cross. It died with him for all who believe in Christ. So all who are saved are free of sin. How can the accuser accuse, when there is nothing to be accused of? We are free indeed. Romans 10:9 that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:10 For with the heart, one believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rev. 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Indeed we have no sin because of the blood of Jesus and our new spirit. Scripture says we have “sinned” and fall short of the glory of God. Do I sin sure although less and less as I draw nearer to Christ. But notice the word sinned not sinning. This is why John could say those who are born again do not sin. And why we should not have condemnation when we do. We are covered in the blood and the father sees only the Jesus in us not the old man.Hi kenrch,
Good points.
You said
“This is why John could say those who are born again do not sin.”
and so he did.
1Jn 5
” 18We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.”But he also said in the same book that we do sin
1Jn 1
” 7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
I think the first posted verse speaks of us in an ideal and exhorting way that we ought not do so, while Chapter 1 shows the more realistic way, and recognises that we are not yet perfect.
John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
Rev. 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Hi H,
If the devil has already been cast out when was the specified time period of 1260 days shown to have already elapsed in biblical history?Now that is a good question Nick and one you should be asking. To find the answer to this, one would have to go into the immeditate history following not long after the death of Jesus. I believe a good place to start a search would be with the destruction of the temple by the Romans that Jesus prophecized about. I believe there we would find the answer to this riddle.
Many incidents in the earthly life of the Savior are associated with the Temple of Herod. It is evident from scripture that while opposed to the degraded and commercial uses to which the temple had been betrayed, Christ recognized and acknowledged the sanctity of the temple precincts. The Temple of Herod was a sacred structure; by whatsoever name it might have been known, it was to Him the house of the Lord. And then, when the sable curtain descended upon the great tragedy of Calvary, when at last the agonizing cry, “It is finished,” ascended from the cross, the veil of the temple was rent, and the one-time Holy of Holies was bared. The absolute destruction of the Temple had been foretold by our Lord, while He yet lived in the flesh (see Matthew 24:1–2; Mark 13:1–2; Luke 21:6). In the year A.D. 70, the temple was utterly destroyed by fire in connection with the capture of Jerusalem by the Romans under Titus.
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