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Thank you Michael,
I see you have put a lot of personal thought and imagination into your interpretation. It is speculation ,though, to always look for the obtuse explanation rather than the simple one-do you agree?
Certainly the observer can only describe what he sees in terms of his personal experience [eg eyes]and a priest and prophet like Ezekiel has done very well to give us all this detail of these living beings.
Remember that these are living beings though and not part of an inanimate spaceship or UFO. Is that what you are thinking? Remember there are 4 of them looking like humans with legs and wings. They are seen to be separate and they move together. On top of them and the expanse is a throne. The wheels are not turning on the ground but in the air.
The hands, also, are hard to be seen as anything but hands because Ezekiel would recognise them and they must be able to hold things and carry them.
If you or I saw these beings what would we say they resembled? I say nothing on earth but not a spaceship either but you are entitled to your opinion.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 29 2004,19:08) Thank you Michael,
I see you have put a lot of personal thought and imagination into your interpretation. It is speculation ,though, to always look for the obtuse explanation rather than the simple one-do you agree?
Certainly the observer can only describe what he sees in terms of his personal experience [eg eyes]and a priest and prophet like Ezekiel has done very well to give us all this detail of these living beings.
Remember that these are living beings though and not part of an inanimate spaceship or UFO. Is that what you are thinking? Remember there are 4 of them looking like humans with legs and wings. They are seen to be separate and they move together. On top of them and the expanse is a throne. The wheels are not turning on the ground but in the air.
The hands, also, are hard to be seen as anything but hands because Ezekiel would recognise them and they must be able to hold things and carry them.
If you or I saw these beings what would we say they resembled? I say nothing on earth but not a spaceship either but you are entitled to your opinion.
I view the living beings as people and as seperate from the craft.Ok Michael. What craft? Strange people though with all those additional extras-or do you see them some other way?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 29 2004,21:43) Ok Michael. What craft? Strange people though with all those additional extras-or do you see them some other way?
The eagle is symbolic for protection, and is Michael. The lion is symbolic of courage and the ox is symbolic of strength. The lion and ox symbolize the two witnesses. In the second coming Jesus (yahshua) gives a rod of iron to a person who becomes a man. Manliness is symbolized by rightous. And Jesus (Yahshua) is also all of those signs and has many crowns. As for were this info comes from, Im not going to say.Hi Michael,
The rod of iron mentioned in Ps 2 and Rev 19 is the rod of correction and discipline .As in Prov 26.3 “The rod is for the back of fools”and he who spares the rod spoils the child. Paul said he was beaten with the rod too.
So why would anyone give it away? It belongs to the person in authority and helps maintain that authority.
If the eagle symbolises Michael then there are 4 Michaels as each of the Cherubim had the head of an eagle.I am sure you are right about some of the other symboluic meanings but this one is a problem.Hi Michael,
The word 'eagle' has some interesting uses in the bible.It occurs several times in Revelation including the 12th chapter when the woman is taken to safety. A similar use is in Is 40. Could the reason God tells the jews to hurry and bring nothing from Judea in Mt 24.16f be that he will use angels to transport them to safety? Who knows?Ps it says that God will send His angels to gather together his elect so perhaps the same is for the jews when the woman in Rev 12 is taken to safety?
hey guys,
i've heard eagles described of as prophets… i don't know of any evidence to suggest that this is so, or if not that what else they could be…
cheers,
nate.
I read a Rick Joyner book once and he describes eagles in one of his visions and then finds out that they represent prophets.
If this is what eagles represent, then it could have something to do with eagles having very good and long sight and the fact that they look from on high to down below. A birds eye view so to speak.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 30 2004,20:29) Hi Michael,
The rod of iron mentioned in Ps 2 and Rev 19 is the rod of correction and discipline .As in Prov 26.3 “The rod is for the back of fools”and he who spares the rod spoils the child. Paul said he was beaten with the rod too.
So why would anyone give it away? It belongs to the person in authority and helps maintain that authority.
If the eagle symbolises Michael then there are 4 Michaels as each of the Cherubim had the head of an eagle.I am sure you are right about some of the other symboluic meanings but this one is a problem.
The man who is given the position of MORNING STAR by Jesus, is also given the rod of iron. Jesus will save him during the storms of the south.A parabol is like riddle, but a person must first determen if the prophet is speaking literally or parabolically, or both.
A parabol is like a riddle, but a person must first determen if the prophet is speaking literally or parabolically, or both.
Hi Michael,
But Jesus IS the Morning Star[Rev 22.16] and as believers grow in Christ so the Morning Star is formed in them[[2Peter 1.19] Again you are introducing non scriptural information and going beyond what is revealed into “progessive” teaching.[2Jn1. 9] Clearly you are convinced but you are losing most of us I am sure.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 03 2004,19:49) Hi Michael,
But Jesus IS the Morning Star[Rev 22.16] and as believers grow in Christ so the Morning Star is formed in them[[2Peter 1.19] Again you are introducing non scriptural information and going beyond what is revealed into “progessive” teaching.[2Jn1. 9] Clearly you are convinced but you are losing most of us I am sure.
Jesus was a Morninig Star, but when he entered back into heaven, great power and authority was added to him, he than became the Bright Morning Star.
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