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Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,05:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,05:39) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,05:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,18:24) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 05 2009,18:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,10:48) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 02 2009,13:49) bodhitharta wrote: Quote This is clearly stating they are rejecting the Gospel but are accepted anyway.
God does not contradict himself. If you are interpreting his words in such a way that they contradict other of his words then you are misinterpreting them. Peter tells us that some of Paul’s teachings are hard to understand and I find that to be a true statement.
Romans 11:30-32(NIV) reads:
Quote Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
The good news of the Kingdom of God was extended to the Gentiles when the Jewish nation rejection Jesus as King. The Jews will now look on the believing Gentiles and become jealous of their obedience to God and so seek to do the same. The only way to do that is though obeying all the teachings of Jesus.
Deuteronomy 32:21(NIV) reads:
Quote They made me jealous by what is no god
and angered me with their worthless idols.
I will make them envious by those who are not a people;
I will make them angry by a nation that has no understanding.Paul even makes the point the Jews will obey God with these words.
Romans 11:26(NIV) reads:
Quote And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
Kerwin,It is not godlessness to to be a righteous Jew, to turn people away from godlessness is for them to turn away from sin.
I didn't say there was a contradiction because the scripture is clearly saying that God will accept the God fearing Jews that have rejected Jesus as Messiah and will also accept the gentiles who were not God fearing but now although they have no understanding believe through the Gospel.
This way people like TT and WJ can be accepted by God although “They made me jealous by what is no god” and “has no understanding”
and even turning God into gods or lords even nick won't call God his only Lord but every Jew anywhere will say that there is only the “Lord” God.
The goal of an individual who truly seeks God is to be righteous as God is righteous. The problem is that each of us is cut off from God by our natural desire to sin in one form or another. Jesus promised a solution to that problem by granting us the spirit of righteousness to replace our spirit of corruption. He did this when he stated “blessed are those that hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled.” The way to claim that promise is to obey all of Jesus’ teachings. To reject those teachings is to reject that promise. Why would someone who really hungered and thirsted for righteousness reject the meal that would fill their cravings?
Awesome Answer!God Bless you Forever!
the bible clearly shows us that it was needed. why do you ignore.1 peter 1: 18,19 – knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptable things like silver or gold from your aimles conduct received by tradition from your fathers but with the ORECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, AS A LAMB WITHOUT BELMISH ANS SPOTS
ephesians 1:7 – in him we have REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS.
1 timothy 2:5,6 – for there is one god and one mediator between god and man, jesus christ. who gave himself a ransom for all
hebrew 9:14,15 – how much more shall thr BLOOD OF CHRIST, WHO THROUGH THE ETERNAL SPIRIT OFFERED HIMSELF WITHOUT SPOT TO GOD, CLEANSE YOUR CONCIENCE FROM DEAD WORKS TO SERVE THE LIVING GOD.
FOR THIS REASON HE IS THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT BY MEANS OF DEATH,hebrew 9:26,28 – he has appeared to have put sin away by the sacrifice of himself.
so christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.i'm very sure there are more but i'm getting tired of showing the same truths.
here are scriptures that actually talk about the topic , its referenced with exact wording describing what the topic is.
if yuo can disprove it then use scriptures right now that talk about jesus and his ransom and what it means and caused to be. that is only what matters for then that wil be truth.
if you shout out scriptures that do not actually say the opposite yuo cannot use them
makes no sense as to the bible would teach two different things then.
jesus is the new law. we must follow his words inspired by gods that is true, but that has nothing t odo with what his ransom sacrifice did adn means to us. scriptures state that explicitly to the T.
matthew 20:28
i got more, they talk about his ransom, why and what it did.please show scriptures that deny it and go against it. again if the scriptures do not have in them , any wods or discussion of his ransom, his sacrifice meaning, the effects it had, you cannot use them
only use scriptures that pertain to topic like i did. scriptures here shown to you only talk about that!!!!
otherwise it means nothing.
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Romans 11:27-29(1) That they said (in boast),
“We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
( An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157)
nice answer . you can't even defend your belief with scriptual proof.i got an idea, use the holy bible gods inpired words. that would be a good start
I am using the Word of God whether it be in The Holy Bible or the Glorious Quran.Of course I would have to show you what was not known in the earlier writings with the later writings isn't that what the Bible does itself?
You won't know the entire truth unless you read all the scriptures of God and if you reject the Quran how can you know if it is true or false? where in your bible does it forbid you to read any book or for that matter where does it tell you there will be no more revelations sent in-fact the Holy Bible states:
And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
Revelation 10:8-10What can make the stomach of a Christian more bitter than to find out Christ did not get killed or crucified.
The fact is even if a Christian wants to see the truth it is painful because they have lost their first love which is God
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,06:05) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,05:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,05:39) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,05:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,18:24) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 05 2009,18:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,10:48) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 02 2009,13:49) bodhitharta wrote: Quote This is clearly stating they are rejecting the Gospel but are accepted anyway.
God does not contradict himself. If you are interpreting his words in such a way that they contradict other of his words then you are misinterpreting them. Peter tells us that some of Paul’s teachings are hard to understand and I find that to be a true statement.
Romans 11:30-32(NIV) reads:
Quote Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
The good news of the Kingdom of God was extended to the Gentiles when the Jewish nation rejection Jesus as King. The Jews will now look on the believing Gentiles and become jealous of their obedience to God and so seek to do the same. The only way to do that is though obeying all the teachings of Jesus.
Deuteronomy 32:21(NIV) reads:
Quote They made me jealous by what is no god
and angered me with their worthless idols.
I will make them envious by those who are not a people;
I will make them angry by a nation that has no understanding.Paul even makes the point the Jews will obey God with these words.
Romans 11:26(NIV) reads:
Quote And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
Kerwin,It is not godlessness to to be a righteous Jew, to turn people away from godlessness is for them to turn away from sin.
I didn't say there was a contradiction because the scripture is clearly saying that God will accept the God fearing Jews that have rejected Jesus as Messiah and will also accept the gentiles who were not God fearing but now although they have no understanding believe through the Gospel.
This way people like TT and WJ can be accepted by God although “They made me jealous by what is no god” and “has no understanding”
and even turning God into gods or lords even nick won't call God his only Lord but every Jew anywhere will say that there is only the “Lord” God.
The goal of an individual who truly seeks God is to be righteous as God is righteous. The problem is that each of us is cut off from God by our natural desire to sin in one form or another. Jesus promised a solution to that problem by granting us the spirit of righteousness to replace our spirit of corruption. He did this when he stated “blessed are those that hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled.” The way to claim that promise is to obey all of Jesus’ teachings. To reject those teachings is to reject that promise. Why would someone who really hungered and thirsted for righteousness reject the meal that would fill their cravings?
Awesome Answer!God Bless you Forever!
the bible clearly shows us that it was needed. why do you ignore.1 peter 1: 18,19 – knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptable things like silver or gold from your aimles conduct received by tradition from your fathers but with the ORECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, AS A LAMB WITHOUT BELMISH ANS SPOTS
ephesians 1:7 – in him we have REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS.
1 timothy 2:5,6 – for there is one god and one mediator between god and man, jesus christ. who gave himself a ransom for all
hebrew 9:14,15 – how much more shall thr BLOOD OF CHRIST, WHO THROUGH THE ETERNAL SPIRIT OFFERED HIMSELF WITHOUT SPOT TO GOD, CLEANSE YOUR CONCIENCE FROM DEAD WORKS TO SERVE THE LIVING GOD.
FOR THIS REASON HE IS THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT BY MEANS OF DEATH,hebrew 9:26,28 – he has appeared to have put sin away by the sacrifice of himself.
so christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.i'm very sure there are more but i'm getting tired of showing the same truths.
here are scriptures that actually talk about the topic , its referenced with exact wording describing what the topic is.
if yuo can disprove it then use scriptures right now that talk about jesus and his ransom and what it means and caused to be. that is only what matters for then that wil be truth.
if you shout out scriptures that do not actually say the opposite yuo cannot use them
makes no sense as to the bible would teach two different things then.
jesus is the new law. we must follow his words inspired by gods that is true, but that has nothing t odo with what his ransom sacrifice did adn means to us. scriptures state that explicitly to the T.
matthew 20:28
i got more, they talk about his ransom, why and what it did.please show scriptures that deny it and go against it. again if the scriptures do not have in them , any wods or discussion of his ransom, his sacrifice meaning, the effects it had, you cannot use them
only use scriptures that pertain to topic like i did. scriptures here shown to you only talk about that!!!!
otherwise it means nothing.
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Romans 11:27-29(1) That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
( An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157)
nice answer . you can't even defend your belief with scriptual proof.i got an idea, use the holy bible gods inpired words. that would be a good start
I am using the Word of God whether it be in The Holy Bible or the Glorious Quran.Of course I would have to show you what was not known in the earlier writings with the later writings isn't that what the Bible does itself?
You won't know the entire truth unless you read all the scriptures of God and if you reject the Quran how can you know if it is true or false? where in your bible does it forbid you to read any book or for that matter where does it tell you there will be no more revelations sent in-fact the Holy Bible states:
And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
Revelation 10:8-10What can make the stomach of a Christian more bitter than to find out Christ did not get killed or crucified.
The fact is even if a Christian wants to see the truth it is painful because they have lost their first love which is God
ok wahtever you say BOD. you keep using muhamad's word over god's, your choice.don't come here trying to disprove god's will and truth with your man inspired teaching.
thats all it is.
god used his perfect sinless son as his messanger. he did god's will to completion.why does he need a imperfect man of dust when he used his son.
you got to be kidding me..
Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,06:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,06:05) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,05:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,05:39) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,05:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,18:24) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 05 2009,18:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,10:48) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 02 2009,13:49) bodhitharta wrote: Quote This is clearly stating they are rejecting the Gospel but are accepted anyway.
God does not contradict himself. If you are interpreting his words in such a way that they contradict other of his words then you are misinterpreting them. Peter tells us that some of Paul’s teachings are hard to understand and I find that to be a true statement.
Romans 11:30-32(NIV) reads:
Quote Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
The good news of the Kingdom of God was extended to the Gentiles when the Jewish nation rejection Jesus as King. The Jews will now look on the believing Gentiles and become jealous of their obedience to God and so seek to do the same. The only way to do that is though obeying all the teachings of Jesus.
Deuteronomy 32:21(NIV) reads:
Quote They made me jealous by what is no god
and angered me with their worthless idols.
I will make them envious by those who are not a people;
I will make them angry by a nation that has no understanding.Paul even makes the point the Jews will obey God with these words.
Romans 11:26(NIV) reads:
Quote And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
Kerwin,It is not godlessness to to be a righteous Jew, to turn people away from godlessness is for them to turn away from sin.
I didn't say there was a contradiction because the scripture is clearly saying that God will accept the God fearing Jews that have rejected Jesus as Messiah and will also accept the gentiles who were not God fearing but now although they have no understanding believe through the Gospel.
This way people like TT and WJ can be accepted by God although “They made me jealous by what is no god” and “has no understanding”
and even turning God into gods or lords even nick won't call God his only Lord but every Jew anywhere will say that there is only the “Lord” God.
The goal of an individual who truly seeks God is to be righteous as God is righteous. The problem is that each of us is cut off from God by our natural desire to sin in one form or another. Jesus promised a solution to that problem by granting us the spirit of righteousness to replace our spirit of corruption. He did this when he stated “blessed are those that hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled.” The way to claim that promise is to obey all of Jesus’ teachings. To reject those teachings is to reject that promise. Why would someone who really hungered and thirsted for righteousness reject the meal that would fill their cravings?
Awesome Answer!God Bless you Forever!
the bible clearly shows us that it was needed. why do you ignore.1 peter 1: 18,19 – knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptable things like silver or gold from your aimles conduct received by tradition from your fathers but with the ORECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, AS A LAMB WITHOUT BELMISH ANS SPOTS
ephesians 1:7 – in him we have REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS.
1 timothy 2:5,6 – for there is one god and one mediator between god and man, jesus christ. who gave himself a ransom for all
hebrew 9:14,15 – how much more shall thr BLOOD OF CHRIST, WHO THROUGH THE ETERNAL SPIRIT OFFERED HIMSELF WITHOUT SPOT TO GOD, CLEANSE YOUR CONCIENCE FROM DEAD WORKS TO SERVE THE LIVING GOD.
FOR THIS REASON HE IS THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT BY MEANS OF DEATH,hebrew 9:26,28 – he has appeared to have put sin away by the sacrifice of himself.
so christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.i'm very sure there are more but i'm getting tired of showing the same truths.
here are scriptures that actually talk about the topic , its referenced with exact wording describing what the topic is.
if yuo can disprove it then use scriptures right now that talk about jesus and his ransom and what it means and caused to be. that is only what matters for then that wil be truth.
if you shout out scriptures that do not actually say the opposite yuo cannot use them
makes no sense as to the bible would teach two different things then.
jesus is the new law. we must follow his words inspired by gods that is true, but that has nothing t odo with what his ransom sacrifice did adn means to us. scriptures state that explicitly to the T.
matthew 20:28
i got more, they talk about his ransom, why and what it did.please show scriptures that deny it and go against it. again if the scriptures do not have in them , any wods or discussion of his ransom, his sacrifice meaning, the effects
it had, you cannot use themonly use scriptures that pertain to topic like i did. scriptures here shown to you only talk about that!!!!
otherwise it means nothing.
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Romans 11:27-29(1) That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
( An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157)
nice answer . you can't even defend your belief with scriptual proof.i got an idea, use the holy bible gods inpired words. that would be a good start
I am using the Word of God whether it be in The Holy Bible or the Glorious Quran.Of course I would have to show you what was not known in the earlier writings with the later writings isn't that what the Bible does itself?
You won't know the entire truth unless you read all the scriptures of God and if you reject the Quran how can you know if it is true or false? where in your bible does it forbid you to read any book or for that matter where does it tell you there will be no more revelations sent in-fact the Holy Bible states:
And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
Revelation 10:8-10What can make the stomach of a Christian more bitter than to find out Christ did not get killed or crucified.
The fact is even if a Christian wants to see the truth it is painful because they have lost their first love which is God
ok wahtever you say BOD. you keep using muhamad's word over god's, your choice.don't come here trying to disprove god's will and truth with your man inspired teaching.
thats all it is.
god used his perfect sinless son as his messanger. he did god's will to completion.why does he need a imperfect man of dust when he used his son.
you got to be kidding me..
Jesus wasn't made out of what Mary was?Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,06:05) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,05:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,05:39) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,05:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,18:24) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 05 2009,18:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,10:48) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 02 2009,13:49) bodhitharta wrote: Quote This is clearly stating they are rejecting the Gospel but are accepted anyway.
God does not contradict himself. If you are interpreting his words in such a way that they contradict other of his words then you are misinterpreting them. Peter tells us that some of Paul’s teachings are hard to understand and I find that to be a true statement.
Romans 11:30-32(NIV) reads:
Quote Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
The good news of the Kingdom of God was extended to the Gentiles when the Jewish nation rejection Jesus as King. The Jews will now look on the believing Gentiles and become jealous of their obedience to God and so seek to do the same. The only way to do that is though obeying all the teachings of Jesus.
Deuteronomy 32:21(NIV) reads:
Quote They made me jealous by what is no god
and angered me with their worthless idols.
I will make them envious by those who are not a people;
I will make them angry by a nation that has no understanding.Paul even makes the point the Jews will obey God with these words.
Romans 11:26(NIV) reads:
Quote And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
Kerwin,It is not godlessness to to be a righteous Jew, to turn people away from godlessness is for them to turn away from sin.
I didn't say there was a contradiction because the scripture is clearly saying that God will accept the God fearing Jews that have rejected Jesus as Messiah and will also accept the gentiles who were not God fearing but now although they have no understanding believe through the Gospel.
This way people like TT and WJ can be accepted by God although “They made me jealous by what is no god” and “has no understanding”
and even turning God into gods or lords even nick won't call God his only Lord but every Jew anywhere will say that there is only the “Lord” God.
The goal of an individual who truly seeks God is to be righteous as God is righteous. The problem is that each of us is cut off from God by our natural desire to sin in one form or another. Jesus promised a solution to that problem by granting us the spirit of righteousness to replace our spirit of corruption. He did this when he stated “blessed are those that hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled.” The way to claim that promise is to obey all of Jesus’ teachings. To reject those teachings is to reject that promise. Why would someone who really hungered and thirsted for righteousness reject the meal that would fill their cravings?
Awesome Answer!God Bless you Forever!
the bible clearly shows us that it was needed. why do you ignore.1 peter 1: 18,19 – knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptable things like silver or gold from your aimles conduct received by tradition from your fathers but with the ORECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, AS A LAMB WITHOUT BELMISH ANS SPOTS
ephesians 1:7 – in him we have REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS.
1 timothy 2:5,6 – for there is one god and one mediator between god and man, jesus christ. who gave himself a ransom for all
hebrew 9:14,15 – how much more shall thr BLOOD OF CHRIST, WHO THROUGH THE ETERNAL SPIRIT OFFERED HIMSELF WITHOUT SPOT TO GOD, CLEANSE YOUR CONCIENCE FROM DEAD WORKS TO SERVE THE LIVING GOD.
FOR THIS REASON HE IS THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT BY MEANS OF DEATH,hebrew 9:26,28 – he has appeared to have put sin away by the sacrifice of himself.
so christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.i'm very sure there are more but i'm getting tired of showing the same truths.
here are scriptures that actually talk about the topic , its referenced with exact wording describing what the topic is.
if yuo can disprove it then use scriptures right now that talk about jesus and his ransom and what it means and caused to be. that is only what matters for then that wil be truth.
if you shout out scriptures that do not actually say the opposite yuo cannot use them
makes no sense as to the bible would teach two different things then.
jesus is the new law. we must follow his words inspired by gods that is true, but that has nothing t odo with what his ransom sacrifice did adn means to us. scriptures state that explicitly to the T.
matthew 20:28
i got more, they talk about his ransom, why and what it did.please show scriptures that deny it and go against it. again if the scriptures do not have in them , any wods or discussion of his ransom, his sacrifice meaning, the effects it had, you cannot use them
only use scriptures that pertain to topic like i did. scriptures here shown to you only talk about that!!!!
otherwise it means nothing.
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Romans 11:27-29(1) That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
( An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157)
nice answer . you can't even defend your belief with scriptual proof.i got an idea, use the holy bible gods inpired words. that would be a good start
I am using the Word of God whether it be in The Holy Bible or the Glorious Quran.Of course I would have to show you what was not known in the earlier writings with the later writings isn't that what the Bible does itself?
You won't know the entire truth unless you read all the scriptures of God and if you reject the Quran how can you know if it is true or false? where in your bible does it forbid you to read any book or for that matter where does it tell you there will be no more revelations sent in-fact the Holy Bible states:
And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
Revelation 10:8-10What can make the stomach of a Christian more bitter than to find out Christ did not get killed or crucified.
The fact is even if a Christian wants to see the truth it is painful because they have lost their first love which is God
if you actually would not beleive that man's own action is what saves you , and you gave god's son the respect and credit and acceptance for what he did as the bible tells usi'd be right there with ya. everything else is pretty good news.
but you dismiss god's word by only accepting some books. and go out of your way to try to disprove him.
god is not going to send his son. to have his inspired words written down. then centuries later use a man created from this world, to tell mankind to go and dispute his own words (gods). from the holy scriptures and use the quran as the holy teachings over the holy scriptures.
you dismiss jesus as what he truely is and means to us.
Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,06:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,06:05) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,05:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,05:39) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,05:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,18:24) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 05 2009,18:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,10:48) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 02 2009,13:49) bodhitharta wrote: Quote This is clearly stating they are rejecting the Gospel but are accepted anyway.
God does not contradict himself. If you are interpreting his words in such a way that they contradict other of his words then you are misinterpreting them. Peter tells us that some of Paul’s teachings are hard to understand and I find that to be a true statement.
Romans 11:30-32(NIV) reads:
Quote Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
The good news of the Kingdom of God was extended to the Gentiles when the Jewish nation rejection Jesus as King. The Jews will now look on the believing Gentiles and become jealous of their obedience to God and so seek to do the same. The only way to do that is though obeying all the teachings of Jesus.
Deuteronomy 32:21(NIV) reads:
Quote They made me jealous by what is no god
and angered me with their worthless idols.
I will make them envious by those who are not a people;
I will make them angry by a nation that has no understanding.Paul even makes the point the Jews will obey God with these words.
Romans 11:26(NIV) reads:
Quote And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
Kerwin,It is not godlessness to to be a righteous Jew, to turn people away from godlessness is for them to turn away from sin.
I didn't say there was a contradiction because the scripture is clearly saying that God will accept the God fearing Jews that have rejected Jesus as Messiah and will also accept the gentiles who were not God fearing but now although they have no understanding believe through the Gospel.
This way people like TT and WJ can be accepted by God although “They made me jealous by what is no god” and “has no understanding”
and even turning God into gods or lords even nick won't call God his only Lord but every Jew anywhere will say that there is only the “Lord” God.
The goal of an individual who truly seeks God is to be righteous as God is righteous. The problem is that each of us is cut off from God by our natural desire to sin in one form or another. Jesus promised a solution to that problem by granting us the spirit of righteousness to replace our spirit of corruption. He did this when he stated “blessed are those that hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled.” The way to claim that promise is to obey all of Jesus’ teachings. To reject those teachings is to reject that promise. Why would someone who really hungered and thirsted for righteousness reject the meal that would fill their cravings?
Awesome Answer!God Bless you Forever!
the bible clearly shows us that it was needed. why do you ignore.1 peter 1: 18,19 – knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptable things like silver or gold from your aimles conduct received by tradition from your fathers but with the ORECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, AS A LAMB WITHOUT BELMISH ANS SPOTS
ephesians 1:7 – in him we have REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS.
1 timothy 2:5,6 – for there is one god and one mediator between god and man, jesus christ. who gave himself a ransom for all
hebrew 9:14,15 – how much more shall thr BLOOD OF CHRIST, WHO THROUGH THE ETERNAL SPIRIT OFFERED HIMSELF WITHOUT SPOT TO GOD, CLEANSE YOUR CONCIENCE FROM DEAD WORKS TO SERVE THE LIVING GOD.
FOR THIS REASON HE IS THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT BY MEANS OF DEATH,hebrew 9:26,28 – he has appeared to have put sin away by the sacrifice of himself.
so christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.i'm very sure there are more but i'm getting tired of showing the same truths.
here are scriptures that actually talk about the topic , its referenced with exact wording describing what the topic is.
if yuo can disprove it then use scriptures right now that talk about jesus and his ransom and what it means and caused to be. that is only what matters for then that wil be truth.
if you shout out scriptures that do not actually say the opposite yuo cannot use them
makes no sense as to the bible would teach two different things then.
jesus is the new law. we must follow his words inspired by gods that is true, but that has nothing t odo with what his ransom sacrifice did adn means to us. scriptures state that explicitly to the T.
matthew 20:28
i got more, they talk about his ransom, why and what it did.please show scriptures that deny it and go against it. again if the scriptures do not have in them , any wods or discussion of his ransom, his sacrifice meaning, the effects
it had, you cannot use themonly use scriptures that pertain to topic like i did. scriptures here shown to you only talk about that!!!!
otherwise it means nothing.
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Romans 11:27-29(1) That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
( An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157)
nice answer . you can't even defend your belief with scriptual proof.i got an idea, use the holy bible gods inpired words. that would be a good start
I am using the Word of God whether it be in The Holy Bible or the Glorious Quran.Of course I would have to show you what was not known in the earlier writings with the later writings isn't that what the Bible does itself?
You won't know the entire truth unless you read all the scriptures of God and if you reject the Quran how can you know if it is true or false? where in your bible does it forbid you to read any book or for that matter where does it tell you there will be no more revelations sent in-fact the Holy Bible states:
And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
Revelation 10:8-10What can make the stomach of a Christian more bitter than to find out Christ did not get killed or crucified.
The fact is even if a Christian wants to see the truth it is painful because they have lost their first love which is God
if you actually would not beleive that man's own action is what saves you , and you gave god's son the respect and credit and acceptance for what he did as the bible tells usi'd be right there with ya. everything else is pretty good news.
but you dismiss god's word by only accepting some books. and go out of your way to try to disprove him.
god is not going to send his son. to have his inspired words written down. then centuries later use a man created from this world, to tell mankind to go and dispute his own words (gods). from the holy scriptures and use the quran as the holy teachings over the holy scriptures.
you dismiss jesus as what he truely is and means to us.
Jesus was the apostle of God but you make him into your GodHow many lords do you have?
Is God your Lord or is Jesus your Lord? You cannot serve two masters
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,06:48) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,06:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,06:05) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,05:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,05:39) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,05:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,18:24) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 05 2009,18:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,10:48) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 02 2009,13:49) bodhitharta wrote: Quote This is clearly stating they are rejecting the Gospel but are accepted anyway.
God does not contradict himself. If you are interpreting his words in such a way that they contradict other of his words then you are misinterpreting them. Peter tells us that some of Paul’s teachings are hard to understand and I find that to be a true statement.
Romans 11:30-32(NIV) reads:
Quote Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
The good news of the Kingdom of God was extended to the Gentiles when the Jewish nation rejection Jesus as King. The Jews will now look on the believing Gentiles and become jealous of their obedience to God and so seek to do the same. The only way to do that is though obeying all the teachings of Jesus.
Deuteronomy 32:21(NIV) reads:
Quote They made me jealous by what is no god
and angered me with their worthless idols.
I will make them envious by those who are not a people;
I will make them angry by a nation that has no understanding.Paul even makes the point the Jews will obey God with these words.
Romans 11:26(NIV) reads:
Quote And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
Kerwin,It is not godlessness to to be a righteous Jew, to turn people away from godlessness is for them to turn away from sin.
I didn't say there was a contradiction because the scripture is clearly saying that God will accept the God fearing Jews that have rejected Jesus as Messiah and will also accept the gentiles who were not God fearing but now although they have no understanding believe through the Gospel.
This way people like TT and WJ can be accepted by God although “They made me jealous by what is no god” and “has no understanding”
and even turning God into gods or lords even nick won't call God his only Lord but every Jew anywhere will say that there is only the “Lord” God.
The goal of an individual who truly seeks God is to be righteous as God is righteous. The problem is that each of us is cut off from God by our natural desire to sin in one form or another. Jesus promised a solution to that problem by granting us the spirit of righteousness to replace our spirit of corruption. He did this when he stated “blessed are those that hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled.” The way to claim that promise is to obey all of Jesus’ teachings. To reject those teachings is to reject that promise. Why would someone who really hungered and thirsted for righteousness reject the meal that would fill their cravings?
Awesome Answer!God Bless you Forever!
the bible clearly shows us that it was needed. why do you ignore.1 peter 1: 18,19 – knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptable things like silver or gold from your aimles conduct received by tradition from your fathers but with the ORECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, AS A LAMB WITHOUT BELMISH ANS SPOTS
ephesians 1:7 – in him we have REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS.
1 timothy 2:5,6 – for there is one god and one mediator between god and man, jesus christ. who gave himself a ransom for all
hebrew 9:14,15 – how much more shall thr BLOOD OF CHRIST, WHO THROUGH THE ETERNAL SPIRIT OFFERED HIMSELF WITHOUT SPOT TO GOD, CLEANSE YOUR CONCIENCE FROM DEAD WORKS TO SERVE THE LIVING GOD.
FOR THIS REASON HE IS THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT BY MEANS OF DEATH,hebrew 9:26,28 – he has appeared to have put sin away by the sacrifice of himself.
so christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.i'm very sure there are more but i'm getting tired of showing the same truths.
here are scriptures that actually talk about the topic , its referenced with exact wording describing what the topic is.
if yuo can disprove it then use scriptures right now that talk about jesus and his ransom and what it means and caused to be. that is only what matters for then that wil be truth.
if you shout out scriptures that do not actually say the opposite yuo cannot use them
makes no sense as to the bible would teach two different things then.
jesus is the new law. we must follow his words inspired by gods that is true, but that has nothing t odo with what his ransom sacrifice did adn means to us. scriptures state that explicitly to the T.
matthew 20:28
i got more, t
hey talk about his ransom, why and what it did.please show scriptures that deny it and go against it. again if the scriptures do not have in them , any wods or discussion of his ransom, his sacrifice meaning, the effects it had, you cannot use them
only use scriptures that pertain to topic like i did. scriptures here shown to you only talk about that!!!!
otherwise it means nothing.
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Romans 11:27-29(1) That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
( An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157)
nice answer . you can't even defend your belief with scriptual proof.i got an idea, use the holy bible gods inpired words. that would be a good start
I am using the Word of God whether it be in The Holy Bible or the Glorious Quran.Of course I would have to show you what was not known in the earlier writings with the later writings isn't that what the Bible does itself?
You won't know the entire truth unless you read all the scriptures of God and if you reject the Quran how can you know if it is true or false? where in your bible does it forbid you to read any book or for that matter where does it tell you there will be no more revelations sent in-fact the Holy Bible states:
And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
Revelation 10:8-10What can make the stomach of a Christian more bitter than to find out Christ did not get killed or crucified.
The fact is even if a Christian wants to see the truth it is painful because they have lost their first love which is God
ok wahtever you say BOD. you keep using muhamad's word over god's, your choice.don't come here trying to disprove god's will and truth with your man inspired teaching.
thats all it is.
god used his perfect sinless son as his messanger. he did god's will to completion.why does he need a imperfect man of dust when he used his son.
you got to be kidding me..
Jesus wasn't made out of what Mary was?
why are you trying to drag out of the truth to some slug of nonsense.jesus was born from above
man is born from below
jesus is not like man who was created from the dust.what jesus never exsisted in heaven before he was put on earth?
did god have his son born to mary from a seed from man, of earth, from the dust?
was jesus created by god and help create all things, even before the earth was formed?
i am so shocked that you show no respect for gods son.
do you even believe jesus as gods son? firstborn of all creation? all things were created through jesus.
its sad that you call god a lier. you call him a lier because he tells us that he is his only begotten son.
how can you love god when you call hima lier?
how?
how?
how!!!!!!!!!!!!jesus is god's son. i worship only one god. god almighty. it is th efather of jesus who is also our father. he is our god just as he idd jeus's god.
there is only one true god.your funny.
becasue i accept jesus for what he is supposed to be as stated in the bible holy scriptures, you lie and say i worship him as god.
your funnywe all serve god, even jesus, read the holy scriptures please.
jesus said he does the will of his father and not his own. just as we are too. he states that our god is his god. all spirit beings and human beings are to only worship the true god almighty.
this is how it works, i make it easy for you.
god is most high – the creator, never had a begining nor and end. he is infinite, only he is to be worshiped.
jesus – god's only begotten son not equal to god or above god. he does the will of his father. he cam by his fathers will to teach and show us how to do gods will.
he thus showed us what attributes god is by his actions he shown and the teachings he taught.
he had his blood shed for mankind to cast the sin dominion off of use and opened a new door a new law thru him to god.
we pray thru jesus to god , we need to do what was taught by jesus because it is through jesus that we were shown.
jesus is ur mediator to god.
got it.
Hi BD,
Those who believe in God are told also to believe in the Son.[Jn14]
Those who love God also love His Son.The Love of God and His Son is not expressed in offering to correct the holy teachings.
Such is rebellionQuote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,07:14) jesus is god's son. i worship only one god. god almighty. it is th efather of jesus who is also our father. he is our god just as he idd jeus's god.
there is only one true god.your funny.
becasue i accept jesus for what he is supposed to be as stated in the bible holy scriptures, you lie and say i worship him as god.
your funny
Can a father be a God to his Son?You are right The God of Jesus means that Jesus is the creation of God
Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,07:24) we all serve god, even jesus, read the holy scriptures please. jesus said he does the will of his father and not his own. just as we are too. he states that our god is his god. all spirit beings and human beings are to only worship the true god almighty.
this is how it works, i make it easy for you.
god is most high – the creator, never had a begining nor and end. he is infinite, only he is to be worshiped.
jesus – god's only begotten son not equal to god or above god. he does the will of his father. he cam by his fathers will to teach and show us how to do gods will.
he thus showed us what attributes god is by his actions he shown and the teachings he taught.
he had his blood shed for mankind to cast the sin dominion off of use and opened a new door a new law thru him to god.
we pray thru jesus to god , we need to do what was taught by jesus because it is through jesus that we were shown.
jesus is ur mediator to god.
got it.
You are right for the most part and guess what God would still be without Jesus.You also do not need to pray through Jesus and even Jesus agrees with me:
And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
Luke 11:1-3John 16:26-28 (King James Version)
26At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
You need to grow and understand.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 07 2009,07:29) Hi BD,
Those who believe in God are told also to believe in the Son.[Jn14]
Those who love God also love His Son.
The Love of God and His Son is not expressed in offering to correct the holy teachings.
Such is rebellion
I love all believers regardless of their status.I love Jesus and respect him enough not to misunderstand his message and put him as a block between men and God when in fact he is an opening for those who would otherwise have no understanding or access.
Quote For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jeremiah 7:21-23God did not command it so how could it have been neccessary?
I have shown you with the scriptures that not only is blood sacrifice not neccessary it was not even commanded.
Exo 12:5 a lamb, a perfect one, a male, a son of a year, let be to you; from the sheep or from the goats ye do take it .
Exo 12:12 and I have passed over through the land of Egypt during this night, and have smitten every first-born in the land of Egypt, from man even unto beast, and on all the gods of Egypt I do judgments; I am Jehovah.
Exo 12:13 `And the blood hath become a sign for you on the houses where ye are , and I have seen the blood, and have passed over you, and a plague is not on you for destruction in My smiting in the land of EgyptQuote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,10:32) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,07:14) jesus is god's son. i worship only one god. god almighty. it is th efather of jesus who is also our father. he is our god just as he idd jeus's god.
there is only one true god.your funny.
becasue i accept jesus for what he is supposed to be as stated in the bible holy scriptures, you lie and say i worship him as god.
your funny
Can a father be a God to his Son?You are right The God of Jesus means that Jesus is the creation of God
can a king, who is father to a son be a king to his son also while being is father?what do you try to achieve with such questions?
how does it feel?
pointless ain't it
what does 1 peter 1:18,19 mean to you?
knowing thatyou were not redemmed with coruptable things like silver and gold from your aimless conduct recieved by tradition from your fathers.
but with the precious blood of christ as a lamb without blemish and withut spot
do not mistake me for someone who likes or is hung up on the death of christ. it is a sad thing, but i am thankful that he died for us all, he and his father loves us so much that it was done. his death was needed and it being taken the way it was, was the way it had to be.
i do not worship or images. do the only importance to me of it is that its mentioned in the bible and states that by it having been done it cleared the dominion of sin from us. a new law under christ was born.
he is a essentail part of worship to god, as it is his will we accept it.
if it wasn't needed it wouldn't have happened and it wouldn't be in the bible explaining what happened and what it did and means to us all
its for all man of all the earth. there is no longer the jews and non jews anymore.
it is one group , all are sons of god.
so we must not accept teachings that are not god's. we are not to disgust god. we need to be in union with the and his son.
if we use things to disprove his word or make things less important to what they are actual proclaimed to be or to worship ungodly ways then thats not god's will.
even if a religion or teaching is doing man's will and not god's it cannot be correct and must be undone or stopped.
you cannot worship god in spirit if the action or thoughts are not in union with god's will.
you cannot do most of what is needed but then do a few that is wrong and then continue to and never rectify the wrong. for then you ar edoing the things of the world and not god's.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,10:37) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,07:24) we all serve god, even jesus, read the holy scriptures please. jesus said he does the will of his father and not his own. just as we are too. he states that our god is his god. all spirit beings and human beings are to only worship the true god almighty.
this is how it works, i make it easy for you.
god is most high – the creator, never had a begining nor and end. he is infinite, only he is to be worshiped.
jesus – god's only begotten son not equal to god or above god. he does the will of his father. he cam by his fathers will to teach and show us how to do gods will.
he thus showed us what attributes god is by his actions he shown and the teachings he taught.
he had his blood shed for mankind to cast the sin dominion off of use and opened a new door a new law thru him to god.
we pray thru jesus to god , we need to do what was taught by jesus because it is through jesus that we were shown.
jesus is ur mediator to god.
got it.
You are right for the most part and guess what God would still be without Jesus.You also do not need to pray through Jesus and even Jesus agrees with me:
And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
Luke 11:1-3John 16:26-28 (King James Version)
26At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
You need to grow and understand.
john 14: 6 – i am the way the light and the life. no one comes to the father except through me.we cannot come to the father unless it is through jesus. whether it be spirit or prayer.
i hope i have more growing and understanding to do becasue there is always room for it.
i guess by your cutting words you need not.
how great for you. no wonder why you ignore and try to disprove god and call him a lier.
maybe i should take up a teaching that uses a book that is greater than the bible and has a person who is held up above god's son and trys to disprove god's word and thus calls god a lier.
i should be in god's favor for sure.
Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 07 2009,10:46) Quote For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jeremiah 7:21-23God did not command it so how could it have been neccessary?
I have shown you with the scriptures that not only is blood sacrifice not neccessary it was not even commanded.
Exo 12:5 a lamb, a perfect one, a male, a son of a year, let be to you; from the sheep or from the goats ye do take it .
Exo 12:12 and I have passed over through the land of Egypt during this night, and have smitten every first-born in the land of Egypt, from man even unto beast, and on all the gods of Egypt I do judgments; I am Jehovah.
Exo 12:13 `And the blood hath become a sign for you on the houses where ye are , and I have seen the blood, and have passed over you, and a plague is not on you for destruction in My smiting in the land of Egypt
I am so glad you brought this up because you have given me more proof because God says:Every thing that openeth the matrix in all flesh, which they bring unto the LORD, whether it be of men or beasts, shall be thine: nevertheless the firstborn of man shalt thou surely redeem, and the firstling of unclean beasts shalt thou redeem.
Numbers 18:14-16The firstborn must be redeemed therefore God would never sacrifice the firstborn of a virgin. You have totally proved my point but it was the firstborn of those against God that were killed so If Jesus is the begotten son of God through a Virgin he could not be a Sacrifice according to the scriptures.
Numbers 3:13 (King James Version)
13Because all the firstborn are mine; for on the day that I smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt I hallowed unto me all the firstborn in Israel, both man and beast: mine shall they be: I am the LORD
Hi BD,
Do you prefer you derivations from the OT to the word of God?
You would though wouldn't you.
You hate the Spirit.Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,11:26) Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 07 2009,10:46) Quote For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jeremiah 7:21-23God did not command it so how could it have been neccessary?
I have shown you with the scriptures that not only is blood sacrifice not neccessary it was not even commanded.
Exo 12:5 a lamb, a perfect one, a male, a son of a year, let be to you; from the sheep or from the goats ye do take it .
Exo 12:12 and I have passed over through the land of Egypt during this night, and have smitten every first-born in the land of Egypt, from man even unto beast, and on all the gods of Egypt I do judgments; I am Jehovah.
Exo 12:13 `And the blood hath become a sign for you on the houses where ye are , and I have seen the blood, and have passed over you, and a plague is not on you for destruction in My smiting in the land of Egypt
I am so glad you brought this up because you have given me more proof because God says:Every thing that openeth the matrix in all flesh, which they bring unto the LORD, whether it be of men or beasts, shall be thine: nevertheless the firstborn of man shalt thou surely redeem, and the firstling of unclean beasts shalt thou redeem.
Numbers 18:14-16The firstborn must be redeemed therefore God would never sacrifice the firstborn of a virgin. You have totally proved my point but it was the firstborn of those against God that were killed so If Jesus is the begotten son of God through a Virgin he could not be a Sacrifice according to the scriptures.
Numbers 3:13 (King James Version)
13Because all the firstborn are mine; for on the day that I smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt I hallowed unto me all the firstborn in Israel, both man and beast: mine shall they be: I am the LORD
what is your point.
that does not pertain to his ransom. did that scripture mention anything about jesus or his ransom or anything to his comming to earth.no it doesn't . why do you use things not in topic?
hebrew 9:12-15
use scriptures that pertain to topic.
for one that has nothing to do with christ and his reason for god sending him.
another. the old law is no longer we after christs actions are under as new law. sin is no longer dominion over us anyomore.
like i pointed out if you talk about a lion's eating habbit but then use articles about teh lions sleeping habbits can you really apply them to a different subject or tpic.
really your trying to apply something that is related to christ and his comming and his meaning to us from when he was murdered.
EX: lets talk about street signs
there is this street that has some signs on it the first few miles that say 50mph, then over a short period of time it still says 50 mph.then a sign is up and says railroad crossing speed 20mph. you then reach the crossing and your still gonig 50mph. you get pulled over, you say the sign back there a ways said 50mph and that is your defense.
however it might have said it but it does not pertain the the situation that is now, since it was shown different and has changed. it ws shown without question and conveyed it message clear.
one would be fullish or ignorant to do so
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,11:26) Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 07 2009,10:46) Quote For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jeremiah 7:21-23God did not command it so how could it have been neccessary?
I have shown you with the scriptures that not only is blood sacrifice not neccessary it was not even commanded.
Exo 12:5 a lamb, a perfect one, a male, a son of a year, let be to you; from the sheep or from the goats ye do take it .
Exo 12:12 and I have passed over through the land of Egypt during this night, and have smitten every first-born in the land of Egypt, from man even unto beast, and on all the gods of Egypt I do judgments; I am Jehovah.
Exo 12:13 `And the blood hath become a sign for you on the houses where ye are , and I have seen the blood, and have passed over you, and a plague is not on you for destruction in My smiting in the land of Egypt
I am so glad you brought this up because you have given me more proof because God says:Every thing that openeth the matrix in all flesh, which they bring unto the LORD, whether it be of men or beasts, shall be thine: nevertheless the firstborn of man shalt thou surely redeem, and the firstling of unclean beasts shalt thou redeem.
Numbers 18:14-16The firstborn must be redeemed therefore God would never sacrifice the firstborn of a virgin. You have totally proved my point but it was the firstborn of those against God that were killed so If Jesus is the begotten son of God through a Virgin he could not be a Sacrifice according to the scriptures.
Numbers 3:13 (King James Version)
13Because all the firstborn are mine; for on the day that I smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt I hallowed unto me all the firstborn in Israel, both man and beast: mine shall they be: I am the LORD
Exo 12:13 `And the BLOOD hath become a SIGN for you on the houses where ye are , and I have seen the BLOOD, and have PASSED OVER you, and a PLAGUE is not on you for destruction in My smiting in the land of Egypt
so why the need for the blood?
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