Bloodless atonement

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  • #795010
    NickHassan
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    Hi BD,

    No not according to the lies you have been told.

    But

    Thy Word is truth

    #795012
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    So you never heard the news of his death and resurrection?

    Of course in a spiritual sense he never died being sustained as Jonah and all the other inspired servants of God by the Spirit of life.

    #795015
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi Nick

    Hi BD,

    So you never heard the news of his death and resurrection?

    Of course in a spiritual sense he never died being sustained as Jonah and all the other inspired servants of God by the Spirit of life.

    Jonah never physically died or spiritually died… don’t preach false info

    #795016
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Jonah died,

    Sheol is the place of the dead.

     

    Anyway Matthew Mark and Luke are very specific as to the time of death of  the crucified Jesus.

    They are the reporters of their day and such things mattered to them.

    How did folks tell the time of day without clocks?

     

     

    John makes no pretence that he knew the exact time “About the sixth hour”

    John is the spiritual man, the heart man whose interests were not in such matters of detail.

    If he was relying on the light around to give him the time we know from the others that darkness fell over the land from 6 to 9 so that did make it more difficult for him.

    That is my view

    nobody lied.

     

    #795020
    bodhitharta
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    Hi Nick

    Hi BD,

    Jonah died,

    Sheol is the place of the dead.

    Anyway Matthew Mark and Luke are very specific as to the time of death of the crucified Jesus.

    They are the reporters of their day and such things mattered to them.

    How did folks tell the time of day without clocks?

    John makes no pretence that he knew the exact time “About the sixth hour”

    John is the spiritual man, the heart man whose interests were not in such matters of detail.

    If he was relying on the light around to give him the time we know from the others that darkness fell over the land from 6 to 9 so that did make it more difficult for him.

    That is my view

    nobody lied.

    You win the prize, I didn’t know if you had it in you, but are you saying John was so not into details that he didn’t even get the day right?

    Oh and about Jonah: Jonah 3 American Standard Version (ASV)

    3 And the word of Jehovah came unto Jonah the second time, saying,

    2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

    3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of Jehovah. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city, of three days’ journey.

    Are you saying Jonah was raised from the dead?

    #795022
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    As predicted you turn the treasures into ammunition so great is your hate.

    Indeed Jonah died.

    The sign of Jonah

    #795034
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    As predicted you turn the treasures into ammunition so great is your hate.

    Indeed Jonah died.

    The sign of Jonah

    well it seems you don’t know the story because Jonah was saved from drowning and dying by being swallowed by the great fish:

    #795037
    Miia
    Participant

    During the time people thought it occured. Jesus was not crucified or Killed. Praise God!

    Bd,

    He understand our suffering, because he suffered.

    “We see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.” (Hebrews 2.10)

    ” For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.”

    #795045
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Miia

    Everyone will taste death and every man was made a little lower than the angels.

    Psalm 8:3-5King James Version (KJV)

    3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

    4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

    5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

    #795046
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Everyone tastes death because sin entered the human race through Adam.

    Yeshua is the second Adam. Life entered the human race through Yeshua.

    He died so that we could live. He satisfied the law on our behalf, that while we were yet sinners, he died for us.

    Death swallowed up in life. The new covenant with God.

    Paul wondered who bewitched the Galatians for relying on the Law.

    What of those who reject the gospel of salvation for another religion that denies this great salvation?

    #795056
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi t8

    Everyone tastes death because sin entered the human race through Adam.

    Yeshua is the second Adam. Life entered the human race through Yeshua.

    He died so that we could live. He satisfied the law on our behalf, that while we were yet sinners, he died for us.

    Death swallowed up in life. The new covenant with God.

    Paul wondered who bewitched the Galatians for relying on the Law.

    What of those who reject the gospel of salvation for another religion that denies this great salvation?

    Death is still in the world and Spiritual life has always been in the world. Jesus overcame the world and tells you that you have to do the same he does not say he has done it for you. If you say he satisfied the Law then it only proves that he could not offer himself up or be sacrificed in anyway because he was a Firstborn son and the Law says ALL the FIRSTBORN are redeemed from Sacrifice, so ask yourself did he satisfy the Law I say he did:

    Exodus 13:1-3King James Version (KJV)

    13 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

    2 Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine

    Exodus 34:20
    But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

    Jesus had already been redeemed

    Luke 2:23-25King James Version (KJV)

    23 (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord😉

    24 And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.

    #795062
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Your own mind must be satisfied before any other aspect of truth is accepted.

    You are your own God, hostile to the God of creation.

    #795064
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi Nick

    Hi BD,

    Your own mind must be satisfied before any other aspect of truth is accepted.

    You are your own God, hostile to the God of creation.

    The scriptures are right there the problem is you seem to be a lover of yourself and what you think than honestly search the scriptures. Can you tell me what these two things refer to

    King James Bible Daniel 12:4
    But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

    New Living Translation John 16:12
    “There is so much more I want to tell you, but you can’t bear it now.

    If things are the way you say what is it that you could not bear?

    #795067
    kerwin
    Participant

    Bodhitharta,

    The Spiritual life has not always been available as human beings became subject to sin through the sin of Adam and Eve. All that as available from the fall of humanity to the time of the new covenant was the soulish life. The Law was given to the Hebrews to teach them what sin was until Jesus ascended to heaven in order to seal and mediate the new covenant.

    The children of Ismael have their own version of the Law, though I do not know if that made it into the Quran. I know that its purpose is to reveal sin for what it is.

    #795068
    kerwin
    Participant

    Princess,

    Sabbath is no longer needed by the modern Christian.

    It was for the Hebrews in the first place; so it was never required of the Gentile unless the lived in the home of a Jew.

    Scripture does not say that has changed. It is a custom of the Hebrew people set by God. A custom of the United States is the Forth of July.

    #795069
    kerwin
    Participant

    Bodhitharta,

    I find it strange that you have so much trouble accusing those writers of Scripture who preach Jesus’ self-sacrifice, resurrection, and ascension of lying.

    You would rather claim the teach false because they are mistaken.

    Is that the result of a custom that you learned in your childhood?

    #795078
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Kerwin,

    No, it stems form BD’s unwillingness to accept that Muhammad is the false prophet of Rev.
    Since it is inconceivable that he can be WRONG, everybody else must be even including God.

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    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    #795081
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    HI Kerwin

    Bodhitharta,

    The Spiritual life has not always been available as human beings became subject to sin through the sin of Adam and Eve. All that as available from the fall of humanity to the time of the new covenant was the soulish life. The Law was given to the Hebrews to teach them what sin was until Jesus ascended to heaven in order to seal and mediate the new covenant.

    The children of Ismael have their own version of the Law, though I do not know if that made it into the Quran. I know that its purpose is to reveal sin for what it is.

    This cannot be true as scripture clearly and immediate demonstrates after Adam was disobedient

    God Takes Up Enoch

    Genesis 5
    …22Then Enoch walked with God three hundred years after he became the father of Methuselah, and he had other sons and daughters. 23So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. 24Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.

    As for the Law is concerned it was to establish the people as he had chosen them to be a light to the nations and therefore he set up righteous laws to set them apart.

    Princess,

    Sabbath is no longer needed by the modern Christian.

    It was for the Hebrews in the first place; so it was never required of the Gentile unless the lived in the home of a Jew.

    Scripture does not say that has changed. It is a custom of the Hebrew people set by God. A custom of the United States is the Forth of July.

    The sabbath became mandatory for the Jews because they differed about it.

    O ye People of the Book! believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming what was (already) with you, before We change the face and fame of some (of you) beyond all recognition, and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the sabbath-breakers, for the decision of Allah Must be carried out.

    ( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #47)

    The sabbath was only made (strict) for those who disagreed (as to its observance); But Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment, as to their differences.

    ( سورة النحل , An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #124)

    We can see in the OT the sabbath began implementation as a matter of Faith in God providing for the people because of their lack of faith the penalty of death was applied for breaking it.

    Exodus 16:26 Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, which is a Sabbath, there will be none.”

    #795082
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi Kerwin

    Bodhitharta,

    I find it strange that you have so much trouble accusing those writers of Scripture who preach Jesus’ self-sacrifice, resurrection, and ascension of lying.

    You would rather claim the teach false because they are mistaken.

    Is that the result of a custom that you learned in your childhood?

    If they were blinded how would it be a lie? If you believe something you can be mistaken but lying is intentional, it would seem Intentional lying would be much more cohesive or completely far apart. Some pieces may be intentional but the story as a whole seems more like being blinded in part

    #795083
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    HI EDJ

    Hi Kerwin,

    No, it stems form BD’s unwillingness to accept that Muhammad is the false prophet of Rev.
    Since it is inconceivable that he can be WRONG, everybody else must be even including God.

    It is not only not inconceivable that I could be wrong I have no problem with being wrong as if I learn something I did not know it is certainly to my benefit especially as it pertains to God. If you can show me how Muhammad is a false prophet I would believe it but you cannot. Most people claim for instance that all the Prophets were Jews so Muhammad could not be a Prophet but guess what that is 100% false as Abraham was not a Jew nor was Noah and several others previous to the tribes of Israel being formed. Remember I was a Christian and I didn’t want to consider many of the things I understand today but Jesus says seek and you shall find if the cross is/was the end of the story what would there be to seek? And, the more I engage in dialogue I get more anger then thoughtful replies except from a few. If what I am presenting is so weak it should be easy to demonstrate.

    The fact is most Christians don’t know much of anything about Judaism or Monotheism and the ones that do have searched the scriptures heeded the Monotheism needed to go further because when you call God 3 or Jesus God or any other combination then, The Lord God is God ALONE with no partners until you declare that you will be stunted in understanding

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