Bloodless atonement

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  • #794443
    Ed J
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    hi BD,

    Do you not know your god hates our God and His son and the followers of the way?

    Hi Nick

    We don’t have different gods nor does the scripture support different creators…you just don’t believe what the Bible says and you ignore the teaching of Jesus, so of course you would be confused

    Hi BD,

    Were you looking in the mirror as you said that? (ref. James 2:20 & Psalm 18:25-27)

    “For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer,
    he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
    For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.” (James 1:23-24)

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    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _______________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    #794446
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    EDJ

    you are the one Judging and Condemning these are the things Jesus commanded you not to do, but you don’t believe in Jesus, you do whatever you want to do

    #794448
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi Miia

    Bd,
    I can clearly remember years ago you were saying Jesus was not crucified. I started to wonder, and I went to Jesus himself and asked. I was told to open the bible. I did and opened the bible and it fell open on the last supper. I flicked forward and it again was on the last supper in the next book.
    “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”
    It’s clear all throughout the NT. Jesus really did die.

    Try it again and see what happens

    #794450
    Ed J
    Participant

    EDJ

    you are the one Judging and Condemning these are the things Jesus commanded you not to do, but you don’t believe in Jesus, you do whatever you want to do

    Hi BD,

    You judge after the flesh, I judge no-one.

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #794475
    Miia
    Participant

    Try it again and see what happens

    There’s no need to do it again Bd. Instead, if you truly believe, I challenge you to ask Jesus himself if he was really crucified.

    #794477
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Mila,

    Does BD want to try his black magic on you too?

    He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

    #794485
    Miia
    Participant

    Hi Nick,
    No, no problem, just looking for an answer.

    #794489
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Mila,

    Yes BD has been covertly seducing folks away from truth for a long time.

    But what he tries to sell is so thin in substance

    #794497
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi Miia

    Try it again and see what happens

    There’s no need to do it again Bd. Instead, if you truly believe, I challenge you to ask Jesus himself if he was really crucified

    Jesus was not crucified I knew even long ago before I read the Quran it was a God given epiphany and I received the scriptures that showed me as well, you said you flipped the pages and both times went to the last supper but why do you think it didn’t flip to the crucifixion because that was the question you asked, perhaps there was a different message in the last supper. The last supper is right before the crucifixion was supposed to occur

    #794499
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    So Scripture is wrong.

    God is wrong.

    Jesus is wrong.

    The prophets are wrong

    And the apostles are wrong.

    because

    Asana Bodhitharta does not agree

    and he is the foundation of true faith?

    #794515
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi Nick

    Hi BD,

    So Scripture is wrong.

    God is wrong.

    Jesus is wrong.

    The prophets are wrong

    And the apostles are wrong.

    because

    Asana Bodhitharta does not agree

    and he is the foundation of true faith?

    The scripture is not wrong because they are called the Gospel “according” to Mark, Matthew, Luke, John….not one of them say this gospel is from God, so it stands to reason that according to the 4 whatever they wrote is according to them and because of that they can be allowed to make errors plus they were not at the crucifixion none of them except John (John says he was there) which contradicts the scripture itself Mark 14:50 And they all left him, and fled.

    When you respond why not show through the scriptures or explain your point of view of exactly why something is a certain way for instance in Mark does “all” not mean all?

    #794534
    Miia
    Participant

    Hi Mila,

    Yes BD has been covertly seducing folks away from truth for a long time.

    But what he tries to sell is so thin in substance

    Hi Nick,
    Bd is no worry.

    It’s within Christianity where people can lead others astray more easily.

    #794535
    Miia
    Participant

    you flipped the pages and both times went to the last supper but why do you think it didn’t flip to the crucifixion because that was the question you asked, perhaps there was a different message in the last supper. The last supper is right before the crucifixion was supposed to occur

    Bd, because if it opened at the crucifixion, you could then say “it only appeared to be so”, or “someone could have taken Jesus’ place.”

    The last supper has Jesus’ saying clearly ‘This is MY blood which will be poured out for the sins of many.’

    #794541
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi Miia

    Bd, because if it opened at the crucifixion, you could then say “it only appeared to be so”, or “someone could have taken Jesus’ place.”

    The last supper has Jesus’ saying clearly ‘This is MY blood which will be poured out for the sins of many.’

    That was a well stated argument.however, here is what you missed

    27 And he took a cup, and gave thanks, and gave to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

    28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many unto remission of sins.

    29 But I say unto you, I shall not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.

    This does not say he will have his blood poured out he instead is saying drink this as a symbol of my blood but I shall not drink it until that day I am with you. The passover is passing over all the firstborn of Jews…Jesus is the Firstborn is he not?

    #794544
    kerwin
    Participant

    Bodhitharta,

    None of them are called the “gospel according to …”. They are accounts of eyewitnesses or those with access to eye witnesses to Jesus’ mortal life and a short time afterwards up to the time he ascended to heaven.

    The question is whether or not you believe the writers or their sources are credible.

    #794551
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi Kerwin

    Bodhitharta,

    None of them are called the “gospel according to …”. They are accounts of eyewitnesses or those with access to eye witnesses to Jesus’ mortal life and a short time afterwards up to the time he ascended to heaven.

    The question is whether or not you believe the writers or their sources are credible.

    I’m fine with that description but there is nothing in that description that points to accuracy, they are not even claiming accuracy it is “according” to the witness and testimony of various people, none of the gospels even claim that the writers of the other gospels are sources for instance there is no luke, Mark, Matthew and John Gospel…they were all around each other but the writings are as if they were living separate lives

    #794583
    Miia
    Participant

    That was a well stated argument.however, here is what you missed

    27 And he took a cup, and gave thanks, and gave to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

    28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many unto remission of sins.

    29 But I say unto you, I shall not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.

    This does not say he will have his blood poured out he instead is saying drink this as a symbol of my blood but I shall not drink it until that day I am with you. The passover is passing over all the firstborn of Jews…Jesus is the Firstborn is he not

    It still says that his blood will be poured out for the sins of many, and then there’s all the other scriptures.

    #794587
    kerwin
    Participant

    Bodhitharta,

    We are not talking accuracy-we are creditability. If these men all lied about Jesus dying on the cross then not one of them is true witness. They all serve the devil and the gospel of salvation is vain.

    I so not believe that they lied as I want to be righteous as God is righteous and that is what the gospel promises.

    #794611
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi Kerwin

    Bodhitharta,

    We are not talking accuracy-we are creditability. If these men all lied about Jesus dying on the cross then not one of them is true witness. They all serve the devil and the gospel of salvation is vain.

    I so not believe that they lied as I want to be righteous as God is righteous and that is what the gospel promises.

    I am not talking about whether they are credible and I believe they believe that is what happened but there are a large crowd of witnesses in the bible that state what I am saying

    Matthew 13:13 This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

    Isaiah 6:9 He said, “Go and tell this people: “‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’

    Acts 28:26
    “‘Go to this people and say, “You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.”

    Romans 11:8
    as it is written: “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear, to this very day.”

    Deuteronomy 29:4
    But to this day the LORD has not given you a mind that understands or eyes that see or ears that hear.

    Jeremiah 5:21
    Hear this, you foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not see, who have ears but do not hear:

    Isaiah 29:14
    Therefore once more I will astound these people with wonder upon wonder; the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish.”

    so when I see so many verse that say this all throughout the Bible and then finally see the Quaran say:

    That they said (in boast), “We killed christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

    ( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157)

    And hear is something more stunning even Jesus might have known he would be saved and therefore God’s plan unfolded as He saw fit:

    Isaiah 42
    18Hear, you deaf! And look, you blind, that you may see. 19Who is blind but My servant, Or so deaf as My messenger whom I send? Who is so blind as he that is at peace with Me, Or so blind as the servant of the LORD? 20You have seen many things, but you do not observe them; Your ears are open, but none hears.…

    So we as servants have the ability to open our eyes and see the truth

    #794612
    kerwin
    Participant

    Budharta,

    Every one of the four writer of what is called the gospels testified the Jesus was crucified, laid in the grave three days, and was resurrected on the third day. They were explicit about these events. Either these events occurred or the four males who told them were liars.

    There descriptions are not parables.

    Here is Paul’s words that fit this matter:

    1 Corinthians 15:12-15Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14 and if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

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