Bizzaro World Doctrines

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Quote (Ed J @ July 05 2011,14:30)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 05 2011,04:12)

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2011,18:58)

Ed wrote:

Hi WJ,

Here is John's record of Jesus' account on equality…
My Father is greater than I. (John 14:28)
How do you account for this non-equality?

HI WJ,

Still waiting for your answer… … … … …

Hi Ed

Sure, when you can tell me in what way was Jesus saying the Father was greater than he.

Jesus spoke this when he was in the flesh when he willingly subjected himself to the Fathers will. John 1:1, 14, Phil 2:4-6.

However currently Jesus now owns and possesses all things and has not yet “subjected Himself” or the Kingdom to the Father.

Jesus said all things were in his hands and all authority and power and judgment is now his.

All things are held together by his own hands.

So please explain in what way the Father is greater than Jesus.

Hi WJ,

You flip the question around that I have asked you, WJ, and then ignore my response; why?

I don't have the time to answer you in full but maybe tomorrow.

But your question is misleading for Jesus made the statement “The Father is greater than I” before the Father had given all things including all Power, authority, wisdom, and knowledge into his hands.that he shared when he was there with the Father in the beginning.

Also I gave you John 1:1, 14 and Phil 2:4-6 which states that Jesus emptied himself and took upon him the form of a servant and was found in fashion as a man.

Jesus who was rich in glory with the Father became poor for us and has now returned back to the Glory he shared with the Father in the beginning of all things and all things are in his power and in his hands.

Thats the short answer.

Gotta go, good night!

July 5, 2011 at 11:12 pm#251074

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2011,09:18)

Quote (Ed J @ July 05 2011,14:30)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 05 2011,04:12)

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2011,18:58)

Ed wrote:

Hi WJ,

Here is John's record of Jesus' account on equality…
My Father is greater than I. (John 14:28)
How do you account for this non-equality?

HI WJ,

Still waiting for your answer… … … … …

Hi Ed

Sure, when you can tell me in what way was Jesus saying the Father was greater than he.

Jesus spoke this when he was in the flesh when he willingly subjected himself to the Fathers will. John 1:1, 14, Phil 2:4-6.

However currently Jesus now owns and possesses all things and has not yet “subjected Himself” or the Kingdom to the Father.

Jesus said all things were in his hands and all authority and power and judgment is now his.

All things are held together by his own hands.

So please explain in what way the Father is greater than Jesus.

Hi WJ,

You flip the question around that I have asked you, WJ, and then ignore my response; why?
YHVH knows everything (because he is God in heaven above and in Earth below: Joshua 2:11),
while Jesus implied that he did not know everything, consider what Jesus said in Matt.24:34-36. <– Please address.

Matt.24:34-36 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day
and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

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Jesus spoke this when he was in the flesh when he willingly subjected himself to the Fathers will.

Are you implying the Jesus is no longer (according to WJ) subject to his fathers will? <– PLEASE ANSWER.

I don't have the time to answer you in full but maybe tomorrow.

Also I gave you John 1:1, 14 and Phil 2:4-6 which states that Jesus emptied himself and took upon him the form of a servant and was found in fashion as a man.

Thats the short answer.

Gotta go, good night!

Hi WJ,

I'll be looking forward to your responses to BOTH my requests.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 6, 2011 at 2:28 am#251093

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 05 2011,09:34)

Mike

Sure I can because Jesus in nature was\is 100% God according to the Spirit and 100% man according to the flesh.

Son of man = man

Son of God = God

So why would 100% God speak of his own God being greater than him? In fact, why would 100% God even HAVE a God of his own?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 05 2011,09:34)

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with “theos\god” and the Word was “theos\god”.

Not quite. In the beginning, the Word was A “theos/god” who was with THE “theos/god”. You don't have to add the indefinite article if you don't want to. But you DO have to acknowledge the definite article that sets “THE god” apart from “god”.

Even the Trinitarian NETNotes admits that the Word was not “the PERSON OF GOD”, whatever that means. They agree that 1:1b, “the Word was WITH God” prohibits this Word from BEING the same God he was WITH.

July 6, 2011 at 3:09 am#251097

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2011,02:34)

Mike

Sure I can because Jesus in nature was\is 100% God according to the Spirit and 100% man according to the flesh.

Son of man = man

Son of God = God

Your little deception did not go unnoticed.

Son of man = man
Son of God = God
See how you capitalized God and not man?
That means that these 2 examples are not comparable as you might think.
It should actually be something like this:
Son of man = adam
Son of God = theos
But because you say:
Son of God = God
You need to also say:
Son of Man = Adam
to be comparable.
Be consistent and fair.
Stop trying to deceive us WJ.
If not deception, then stop teaching because you are unaware of your own deception.

July 6, 2011 at 4:21 am#251111

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Good catch, t8!

July 6, 2011 at 4:42 am#251112

GeneBalthrop

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Mike ……..Reread this and ask yourself did Jesus not say He was not of this world (EVEN) (that means the exact same way the disciples were Not of this world. So if your going to insist Jesus came from Heaven and not this world then that must also apply to the disciples according to John17:14 right?

Joh 17:14 …> I have given them thy Word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even (or the same way) as I am not of the world.

Now Mike tell us was Jesus any different the His disciples who he said were not of or (from) the world. Jesus is saying there that the disciples were just as He was not of the wold. So back to the question does that mean the disciples were from heaven also? It would mean that in you preexistence point of view now wouldn't it?

peace and love………………………………………gene

July 6, 2011 at 1:03 pm#251159

GeneBalthrop

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2011,14:29)

John 1:14 – The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of an only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Non-preexister: This really means, “The Word CAME TO BE IN SOMEONE WHO WAS FLESH”.

My doctine does not require me to add words and thereby change the entire meaning of a scripture.

Mike ………..You said it right “YOUR DOCTRINE” So please tell us when is the Last time you have seen a “flesh word”. Please inform us “O” Great ONE what doe a word that becomes a peace of flesh look like. You have yet to give us any proof a word becomes any kind of flesh. Now to me that is “BIZZARO” if there ever was a “BIZARRO doctrine.

July 7, 2011 at 4:02 am#251210

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So Gene,

There is NOT really a scripture that says Jesus' disciples were “from Above”? Why did you claim there was then?

July 7, 2011 at 4:04 am#251211

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 06 2011,07:03)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2011,14:29)

John 1:14 – The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of an only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Non-preexister: This really means, “The Word CAME TO BE IN SOMEONE WHO WAS FLESH”.

My doctine does not require me to add words and thereby change the entire meaning of a scripture.

So Gene,

You ADMIT that you must add words to the scripture because YOU PERSONALLY can't understand how a word can become flesh?

Study harder, dude. Read my last post to Marty in the “incarnation” thread.

I'll await your response on that thread about it, okay?

peace,
mike

July 7, 2011 at 4:34 pm#251267

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Quote (t8 @ July 05 2011,22:09)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2011,02:34)

Mike

Sure I can because Jesus in nature was\is 100% God according to the Spirit and 100% man according to the flesh.

Son of man = man

Son of God = God

Your little deception did not go unnoticed.

Well let’s see who is deceptive!

Quote (t8 @ July 05 2011,22:09)

Son of man = man

Son of God = God

See how you capitalized God and not man?

Don’t be hypocritical, because you are not consistent with your caps in the same sentence and then you change the words to Hebrew and Greek.

This is your model…

Son of man = adam

Son of God = theos

You see the deception in that you say the word “God” = “theos”?

If you were not trying to deceive you would write…

Son of God = Theos.

But let’s be honest t8, the Hebrew and Greek has no caps. So if you are going to be true to your model then you should use caps in both examples for God and Theos.

Quote (t8 @ July 05 2011,22:09)

That means that these 2 examples are not comparable as you might think.

It is your example that is not comparable for you say…

Son of God = theos.

I say…

Son of God = Theos\God.

Quote (t8 @ July 05 2011,22:09)

It should actually be something like this:

Son of man = adam

Son of God = theos

Not consistent at all for it should be…

Son of man = man

Son of God = Theos\God

Son of Man = Adam (Second Adam)

Son of God = Theos\God

That is consistent.

Quote (t8 @ July 05 2011,22:09)

But because you say:

Son of God = God

You need to also say:

Son of Man = Adam

to be comparable.

And you should say…

Son of God =Theos\God
Or

Son of god = theos\god……to be consistent and honest!

Quote (t8 @ July 05 2011,22:09)

Be consistent and fair.
Stop trying to deceive us WJ . If not deception, then stop teaching because you are unaware of your own deception

July 7, 2011 at 6:04 pm#251269

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,03:34)

Son of Man = Adam (Second Adam)

Son of God = Theos\God

Hi WJ,

For consistency shouldn't 'YOU' instead say…

Quote

Son of Man = Adam (Second Adam)
Son of God = Theos\God (Second God)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,03:34)

That is consistent.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org …(Eccl.9:12-16)

July 7, 2011 at 6:10 pm#251270

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Quote (Ed J @ July 07 2011,13:04)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,03:34)

Son of Man = Adam (Second Adam)

Son of God = Theos\God

Hi WJ,

For consistency shouldn't 'YOU' instead say…

Quote

Son of Man = Adam (Second Adam)
Son of God = Theos\God (Second God)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,03:34)

That is consistent.

No not at all because the “Second Adam” is also the “First Adam” and God of the New Creation.

Jesus is God in nature as the Father is God and currently all things are in his hands as “The God of the Universe” and the New Creation.

Jesus said he and the Father are “One” and the scriptures say there is “only one true theos”.

How many “theos\gods” do you serve Ed?

July 7, 2011 at 6:42 pm#251271

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,05:10)

Quote (Ed J @ July 07 2011,13:04)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,03:34)

Son of Man = Adam (Second Adam)

Son of God = Theos\God

Hi WJ,

For consistency shouldn't 'YOU' instead say…

Quote

Son of Man = Adam (Second Adam)
Son of God = Theos\God (Second God)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,03:34)

That is consistent.

No not at all because because the “Second Adam” is also the “First Adam” and also God of the New Creation.

Jesus is God in nature as the Father is God and currently all things are in his hands as “The God of the Universe” and the New Creation.

Jesus said he and the Father are “One” and the scriptures say there is “only one true theos”.

How many “theos\gods” do you serve Ed?

Hi WJ,

Only one, 117=יהוה האלהים … “God The Father”(117)!

Our YHVH=117

Jesus said, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The LORD
OUR GOD is one LORD: And thou shalt love
The LORD thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength:
this is the first commandment. And the second like, this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
There is none other commandment greater than these. (Mark 12:29-31)

“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], and
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

July 7, 2011 at 6:48 pm#251273

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Quote (Ed J @ July 07 2011,13:42)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,05:10)

Quote (Ed J @ July 07 2011,13:04)

WorshippingJesus,July wrote:

Son of Man = Adam (Second Adam)

Son of God = Theos\God

Hi WJ,

For consistency shouldn't 'YOU' instead say…

Quote

Son of Man = Adam (Second Adam)
Son of God = Theos\God (Second God)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,03:34)

That is consistent.

No not at all because because the “Second Adam” is also the “First Adam” and also God of the New Creation.

Jesus is God in nature as the Father is God and currently all things are in his hands as “The God of the Universe” and the New Creation.

Jesus said he and the Father are “One” and the scriptures say there is “only one true theos”.

How many “theos\gods” do you serve Ed?

Hi WJ,

Only one, 117=יהוה האלהים … “God The Father”(117)!

Don't play the word games like the others.

So then Jesus is not “theos\god”?

July 7, 2011 at 7:05 pm#251276

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Quote (Ed J @ July 07 2011,13:42)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,05:10)

Quote (Ed J @ July 07 2011,13:04)

WorshippingJesus,July wrote:

Son of Man = Adam (Second Adam)

Son of God = Theos\God

Hi WJ,

For consistency shouldn't 'YOU' instead say…

Quote

Son of Man = Adam (Second Adam)
Son of God = Theos\God (Second God)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,03:34)

That is consistent.

No not at all because because the “Second Adam” is also the “First Adam” and also God of the New Creation.

Jesus is God in nature as the Father is God and currently all things are in his hands as “The God of the Universe” and the New Creation.

Jesus said he and the Father are “One” and the scriptures say there is “only one true theos”.

How many “theos\gods” do you serve Ed?

Hi WJ,

Only one, 117=יהוה האלהים … “God The Father”(117)!

Our YHVH=117

Who is your lord and theos\god?

Are you saying you do not love the Lord Jesus with all your heart, soul, mind and strength?

How can you have God the Father without Jesus?

Do you honour Jesus “even as” you honour the Father?

BTW why don't you stop with all your advertisements about your book and websight? It seems like you are promoting yourself and your new religion and not the truth of the scriptures.

July 7, 2011 at 8:36 pm#251293

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,06:05)

Quote (Ed J @ July 07 2011,13:42)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,05:10)

Quote (Ed J @ July 07 2011,13:04)

WorshippingJesus,July wrote:

Son of Man = Adam (Second Adam)

Son of God = Theos\God

Hi WJ,

For consistency shouldn't 'YOU' instead say…

Quote

Son of Man = Adam (Second Adam)
Son of God = Theos\God (Second God)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,03:34)

That is consistent.

No not at all because because the “Second Adam” is also the “First Adam” and also God of the New Creation.

Jesus is God in nature as the Father is God and currently all things are in his hands as “The God of the Universe” and the New Creation.

Jesus said he and the Father are “One” and the scriptures say there is “only one true theos”.

How many “theos\gods” do you serve Ed?

Hi WJ,

Only one, 117=יהוה האלהים … “God The Father”(117)!

Our YHVH=117

(1)Who is your lord and theos\god?

(2)Are you saying you do not love the Lord Jesus with all your heart, soul, mind and strength?

(3)How can you have God the Father without Jesus?

(4)Do you honour Jesus “even as” you honour the Father?

(5)BTW why don't you stop with all your advertisements about your book and websight? It seems like you are promoting yourself and your new religion and not the truth of the scriptures.

Hi WJ,

1) Did you somehow miss my answer in my post?
2) Who is the one playing ‘word games’ here?
3) Perhaps you need to read Psalm 72:12?
4) Looks like more ‘word games’; yes?
5) ad hominem attacks now; aye?

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 7, 2011 at 8:36 pm#251294

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,05:48)

Quote (Ed J @ July 07 2011,13:42)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,05:10)

Quote (Ed J @ July 07 2011,13:04)

WorshippingJesus,July wrote:

Son of Man = Adam (Second Adam)

Son of God = Theos\God

Hi WJ,

For consistency shouldn't 'YOU' instead say…

Quote

Son of Man = Adam (Second Adam)
Son of God = Theos\God (Second God)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,03:34)

That is consistent.

No not at all because because the “Second Adam” is also the “First Adam” and also God of the New Creation.

Jesus is God in nature as the Father is God and currently all things are in his hands as “The God of the Universe” and the New Creation.

Jesus said he and the Father are “One” and the scriptures say there is “only one true theos”.

How many “theos\gods” do you serve Ed?

Hi WJ,

Only one, 117=יהוה האלהים … “God The Father”(117)!

Don't play the word games like the others.

So then Jesus is not “theos\god”?

Hi WJ,

Do you not know what “Son of” means? “Son of” means 50% genetics, for your info.

Jesus, according to scripture was: 50% (Matt.1:18/Luke 1:35) God, 50% (Matt.1:20/Mark 6:3) man.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 7, 2011 at 8:55 pm#251296

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Quote (Ed J @ July 07 2011,15:36)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,05:48)

Quote (Ed J @ July 07 2011,13:42)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,05:10)

Quote (Ed J @ July 07 2011,13:04)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,03:34)

Son of Man = Adam (Second Adam)

Son of God = Theos\God

Hi WJ,

For consistency shouldn't 'YOU' instead say…

Quote

Son of Man = Adam (Second Adam)
Son of God = Theos\God (Second God)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,03:34)

That is consistent.

No not at all because because the “Second Adam” is also the “First Adam” and also God of the New Creation.

Jesus is God in nature as the Father is God and currently all things are in his hands as “The God of the Universe” and the New Creation.

Jesus said he and the Father are “One” and the scriptures say there is “only one true theos”.

How many “theos\gods” do you serve Ed?

Hi WJ,

Only one, 117=יהוה האלהים … “God The Father”(117)!

Don't play the word games like the others.

So then Jesus is not “theos\god”?

Hi WJ,

Do you not know what “Son of” means? “Son of” means 50% genetics, for your info.

Jesus, according to scripture was: 50% (Matt.1:18/Luke 1:35) God, 50% (Matt.1:20/Mark 6:3) man.

Yes of course Jesus is some freak of nature, half god and half man!

To you that means he is a “demi-god” and a “half breed”.

Did Jesus who was the Word that was with God and was God become “half God” when he came in the flesh?

July 7, 2011 at 9:00 pm#251297

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Quote (Ed J @ July 07 2011,15:36)

ad hominem attacks now; aye?

Call it what you want. I am just pointing out the truth that you are here to promote your websight and your book. That is why you have to post all that mess in your signature.

But why didn't you answer the questions and especially this one…

So then Jesus is not “theos\god”?

July 7, 2011 at 9:14 pm#251298