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hey folks,
I was wondering is there any scriptural evidence against birth control especially Vascetomys. I had one July of 2005 and just kinda felt guilty about it. My father in law said that he thinks it is going a little too far. He felt that it was like playing God. I welcome any thoughts
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Quote (Woutlaw @ Dec. 11 2005,17:05) hey folks, I was wondering is there any scriptural evidence against birth control especially Vascetomys. I had one July of 2005 and just kinda felt guilty about it. My father in law said that he thinks it is going a little too far. He felt that it was like playing God. I welcome any thoughts
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Hi Woutlaw,Did you seek the Father's answer? Just ask!
Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Most of the time God tries our patience and is slow to answer. However I've seen Him move quickly when needed.
I'm not saying one way or another but you should seek God until you get an answer.
Repent and you will be forgiven. If the Lord says the same you can have the tubes untied
In the bible God is in control of the number of children that we have. Some have 12; others have none. Birth control has no scriptual support because from the Bibles point of view to have children is a blessing.(ps. 127:3-5)
The problem with todays society is that we are so materialistic that we spend all of our time trying to afford our toys, instead of raising children. So alot of people replace raising kids with car payments and other expenses, and then use the exuse “I can't afford to have anymore kids”, but the reality is that our priorities are somewhere else.
Imagaine if the people in Bible days practiced birth control. We would be missing alot of biblical characters.:(By the way Woutlaw I live in America, so I'm speaking from an American perspective concerning materialism, but the scriptual context is the same every where.
Quote (Sultan @ Dec. 11 2005,22:35) In the bible God is in control of the number of children that we have. Some have 12; others have none. Birth control has no scriptual support because from the Bibles point of view to have children is a blessing.(ps. 127:3-5)
The problem with todays society is that we are so materialistic that we spend all of our time trying to afford our toys, instead of raising children. So alot of people replace raising kids with car payments and other expenses, and then use the exuse “I can't afford to have anymore kids”, but the reality is that our priorities are somewhere else.
Imagaine if the people in Bible days practiced birth control. We would be missing alot of biblical characters.:(
Sultan,Very true, If you have 20 children and you have faith, God will feed you and your family. My wife knows a couple who have 5 children the father works at Wal-Mart. The mother stays home and raises the children. The thing is they are happy very happy. If you are in His will He brings Joy.
THANKS SULTAN
Great points guys,
Brother sultan I live in America too and I can relate to the point about materialism. kenrch thanks for the encouragement. My wife and I have 5 children. My wife is a stay at home mom. I'm the provider, our household income is $50k. It is not easy but the Lord is making ways for us. Thanks for the responses.
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Hi Woutlaw and everybobdy,
Great thread. I agree with Kenrch and Sultan. One of Judah's sons was killed when he practiced birth control to avoid getting his wife TAMAR (I) pregnant. This served as the precept to form my standard on the subject, that God must not like that.
When we consider the fertile years of a woman, her monthly menstrual cycle, the short window for conception when an egg and a sperm may viably lead to pregnancy, the wondrous voyage of a sperm to meet the right egg, etc one has to admit that pregnancy is miraculous; that God has regulated and set the order to give us the required number of children as we go about the business of our respective marriages. And it is beautiful.
Adding to what was said about materialism, overpopulation may be likely result of ungodly behavior. Imagine if there were no pregnancies out of wedlock. Consider the effect on population where say one man goes around town over the course of a lifetime, impregnating different women, usually without any intent of fathering the children. This environment may likely lead to more of the same behavior among some of the children. Or when a woman has children by various fathers due to some prosmiscuous activity for instance. This affects the normal cycle that would normally take place in a marriage, and subsequently, the population. And we end up talking about overpopulation blaming God and finding fault with his creation, when it was our doing all along. The other side of the coin of course is to artificially manipulate the population through birth control, abortion and the like.
Just my thoughts.
If you determine that God is right and that you have been wrong, then he says repent, and let others learn from your mistake and accept God's gracious forgiveness.
Blessings.
I was also wondering about this topic and I have to agree here. Throughout the Bible we can clearly see those in marriage just had sex, not worrying about whether or not that could “afford” the child or not.
I am also an American, and I have to agree with the matieralism. So many people want new things constantly. For example (to those not in the US), many people now buy new cars, trash them, then get new ones after 2-5 years. As Sultan said, car payments have replaced children. Pregnacies now have become tradegies or curses instead of blessings. However no matter where we are, America or New Zealand, the world is still evil, God still loves us, and children really are a blessing.
On a side note, I never really considered out-of-wedlock births to be a contributor to overpopulation. Many people often blame married couples to be the problem. It just goes to show how much sin can destroy mankind, and how the blame is often diverted.
Hello Mr. Bob
Might I add that because of modern day parents need for “things” both work. Things are more important than children. Therefore they do not nurture and care for the children they birth, but send them off the be raised by strangers.
Quote (Bastian @ Dec. 15 2005,14:56) Hello Mr. Bob Might I add that because of modern day parents need for “things” both work. Things are more important than children. Therefore they do not nurture and care for the children they birth, but send them off the be raised by strangers.
We subcontract strangers to do what we are called to do as parents, basically. Rather than be home, lots of kids spend hours outside the home at daycare or wherever, practically from birth. Where is the bonding? how does this affect the children in their difficult teen years? I too speak as one who lives in the U.S.American TV is also imported over the the world and is influencing many indigenous cultures, so that they aspire to what is promoted in the U.S. But no matter. Whether in the U.S. or elsewhere, christians the world over are called to be holy and set apart unto God. It is obvious therefore that we have to choose to do things God's way regardless of where we live, for his kingdom to be revealed in us, so that we can be his holy nation within any country.
There is something wrong when on October 31st, most homes in the U.S. are decorated with Halloween stuff, and yet on Sundays thousands fill the churches. Where are those that are set apart unto YHWH?
Just wondering.
Quote (Cubes @ Dec. 16 2005,00:26) Quote (Bastian @ Dec. 15 2005,14:56) Hello Mr. Bob Might I add that because of modern day parents need for “things” both work. Things are more important than children. Therefore they do not nurture and care for the children they birth, but send them off the be raised by strangers.
We subcontract strangers to do what we are called to do as parents, basically. Rather than be home, lots of kids spend hours outside the home at daycare or wherever, practically from birth. Where is the bonding? how does this affect the children in their difficult teen years? I too speak as one who lives in the U.S.American TV is also imported over the the world and is influencing many indigenous cultures, so that they aspire to what is promoted in the U.S. But no matter. Whether in the U.S. or elsewhere, christians the world over are called to be holy and set apart unto God. It is obvious therefore that we have to choose to do things God's way regardless of where we live, for his kingdom to be revealed in us, so that we can be his holy nation within any country.
There is something wrong when on October 31st, most homes in the U.S. are decorated with Halloween stuff, and yet on Sundays thousands fill the churches. Where are those that are set apart unto YHWH?
Just wondering.
It almost appear that there are more true Christians outside of the U.S. then hereQuote (Woutlaw @ Dec. 22 2005,19:22) I agree Sultan
How else are scriptures going to be fulfilled? The children aren't raised by Mom and Dad so they become confused. They have no identity, they don't know if they are male and or female. Today that can be confusing for a child!We are in the last days as said by Paul.
2Ti 3:1 But know this, that in the last days grievous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good,
2Ti 3:4 traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power therefore. From these also turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of these are they that creep into houses, and take captive silly women laden with sins, led away by divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall be multiplied, the love of the many shall wax cold.
Exciting times for those who love Christ and the Father. We should count ourselves blessed!Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 22 2005,21:48) Quote (Woutlaw @ Dec. 22 2005,19:22) I agree Sultan
How else are scriptures going to be fulfilled? The children aren't raised by Mom and Dad so they become confused. They have no identity, they don't know if they are male and or female. Today that can be confusing for a child!We are in the last days as said by Paul.
2Ti 3:1 But know this, that in the last days grievous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good,
2Ti 3:4 traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power therefore. From these also turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of these are they that creep into houses, and take captive silly women laden with sins, led away by divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall be multiplied, the love of the many shall wax cold.
Exciting times for those who love Christ and the Father. We should count ourselves blessed!
Brother this is excellent . You took it to another level.Quote (Sultan @ Dec. 24 2005,10:52) Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 22 2005,21:48) Quote (Woutlaw @ Dec. 22 2005,19:22) I agree Sultan
How else are scriptures going to be fulfilled? The children aren't raised by Mom and Dad so they become confused. They have no identity, they don't know if they are male and or female. Today that can be confusing for a child!We are in the last days as said by Paul.
2Ti 3:1 But know this, that in the last days grievous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good,
2Ti 3:4 traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power therefore. From these also turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of these are they that creep into houses, and take captive silly women laden with sins, led away by divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall be multiplied, the love of the many shall wax cold.
Exciting times for those who love Christ and the Father. We should count ourselves blessed!
Brother this is excellent . You took it to another level.
PRAISE GOD BROTHER PRAISE GOD!
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