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Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 22 2010,17:27)

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,09:09) terraricca, Does your God not have an outstretched arm? LU the father of Christ is my God what i worship,Christ is his ARM and i recognize him as being the arm who God use to bring us to him,and be one in unity, so that all can be all in him. God can give us live he is the one who resuscitates Christ. he being the first.

So Terraricca,
Don't you think that the God with the outstretched arm is the God to worship instead of some God without an outstretched arm?

If Christ isn't included in your worship…you worship a God without an outstretched arm.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2010,17:23)

Hi LU, So it is what he did before he was born of Mary that makes you want to worship him. But God said the angels should worship him when he brought him into the world. Should we decide to worship whoever our intellect approves as suitable? Or do we serve according to instructions given?

Nick,
Christ is not divided. Everything He did and everything He was leads up to His victory and exaltation and who the angels worship.

Worship used to be by the letter but now we worship in spirit and truth.

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Hi LU,
God reached out his finger and His arm to men since time began.
All his prophets manifested his words and power.
Jesus was greater than all.

Without the anointing of God he was a man like any of us on the earth.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2010,20:33)

Hi LU, God reached out his finger and His arm to men since time began. All his prophets manifested his words and power. Jesus was greater than all. Without the anointing of God he was a man like any of us on the earth.

Nick,
Yes, God reached out His arm to men since the beginning of time and that arm was and is His Son.

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Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,12:14)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 22 2010,17:27) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,09:09) terraricca, Does your God not have an outstretched arm? LU the father of Christ is my God what i worship,Christ is his ARM and i recognize him as being the arm who God use to bring us to him,and be one in unity, so that all can be all in him. God can give us live he is the one who resuscitates Christ. he being the first. So Terraricca, Don't you think that the God with the outstretched arm is the God to worship instead of some God without an outstretched arm? If Christ isn't included in your worship…you worship a God without an outstretched arm.

LU

it seems to me you don't like to lessen to anybody but yourself,you say you worship God and Christ.

but you do not follow the words of neither.

1)God say he is the only God do not worship no one else.

2)Christ say worship God the father alone.

God says in OT he will sent the Christ lessen to him,you don't;
christ comes and says only worship God the father,you don't;

so you worship what ever put you on and do not care to lessen to the ones you say are your masters,

confusion??

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
Jesus had no head start.
He did not walk the earth till born of woman.
The Spirit that lived in him from the jordan also lived in the prophets before him.[1Peter 1.10f]

That Spirit was the rock of Moses time[1Cor10]. The Lord is the Spirit.

Don't worship the vessel or perhaps you should also worship the prophets and the angels of God.

[Elizabeth]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,12:37)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2010,20:33) Hi LU, God reached out his finger and His arm to men since time began. All his prophets manifested his words and power. Jesus was greater than all. Without the anointing of God he was a man like any of us on the earth. Nick, Yes, God reached out His arm to men since the beginning of time and that arm was and is His Son.

OH, boy Kathi! Where in the world did you pick that one up. Our Heavenly Father will always be above all. Jesus Christ is our Mediator between God the Father and us. If we live in the Spirit we too will be united with the Father and the Son, just like the Son and the Father are, but that does not mean that now we should worship Jesus. Worship belongs to our Father only….. What you are saying is half Trinity…. Are you kidding me….Deut. 1 Corinth, Ephesians, Romans , 1 Tim. all tell us that the Father is above all and that included Jesus. He is our Heavenly Brother, we are the Adopted Sons of God.
That unites us all by the Fathers Holy Spirit. Please ask for wisdom on this one. That is what the Oneness Church believes….
Math. 15:9
Peace and Love Irene

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
The only powers the son of God ever had were those given him by his God.

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Nick, terraricca, Irene,
The Son has been around ever since God wanted to bring our world into a completed creation and reach out to us. He did that through His Son who in the OT was figuratively referred to as the “arm of God” or the “out stretched arm” of God. As revelation progressed, in the NT we realize that the “arm of God” that is outstretched is and was God's own Son. So, the people in the OT worshiped a God with an out stretched arm and now we call that God, God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Two persons…a Father and a Son united as God to us. To worship the Father and the Son is the same as worshiping the God with the outstretched arm from the OT.

Irene, the oneness church does not believe that.

Nick, for you to think that the Son did not interact with men before Mary is to leave a lot of scriptures in the OT unexplained when I think we are seeing the Son at work. Do you not think that God created the world through the Son?

Terraricca,
If I worship the God with the outstretched arm am I going against what the Bible teaches? When the scriptures say to worship God, wouldn't that be the one with the outstretched arm? Also, where does the Bible say to worship the “Father” alone. It does say to worship the Lord your God and serve Him alone and that God has an outstretched arm. I worship the God with the outstretched arm alone and it just so happens that the God with the outstretched arm is the Father and His Son. The Son is the arm, figuratively.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2010,21:30)

Hi LU, The only powers the son of God ever had were those given him by his God.

Nick,
Right! And that is why the Son is the “arm” (figuratively) and not the head (figuratively) of God.

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Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,13:33)

Nick, terraricca, Irene, The Son has been around ever since God wanted to bring our world into a completed creation and reach out to us.  He did that through His Son who in the OT was figuratively referred to as the “arm of God”  or the “out stretched arm” of God.  As revelation progressed, in the NT we realize that the “arm of God” that is outstretched is and was God's own Son.  So, the people in the OT worshiped a God with an out stretched arm and now we call that God, God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.  Two persons…a Father and a Son united as God to us.  To worship the Father and the Son is the same as worshiping the God with the outstretched arm from the OT. Irene, the oneness church does not believe that. Nick, for you to think that the Son did not interact with men before Mary is to leave a lot of scriptures in the OT unexplained when I think we are seeing the Son at work. Do you not think that God created the world through the Son? Terraricca, If I worship the God with the outstretched arm am I going against what the Bible teaches?  When the scriptures say to worship God, wouldn't that be the one with the outstretched arm?  Also, where does the Bible say to worship the “Father” alone.  It does say to worship the Lord your God and serve Him alone and that God has an outstretched arm.  I worship the God with the outstretched arm alone and it just so happens that the God with the outstretched arm is the Father and His Son.  The Son is the arm, figuratively.

LU

what is the first commandment????from Christ and God

do you see and (out stretched arm)

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Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 22 2010,21:37)

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,13:33) Nick, terraricca, Irene, The Son has been around ever since God wanted to bring our world into a completed creation and reach out to us.  He did that through His Son who in the OT was figuratively referred to as the “arm of God”  or the “out stretched arm” of God.  As revelation progressed, in the NT we realize that the “arm of God” that is outstretched is and was God's own Son.  So, the people in the OT worshiped a God with an out stretched arm and now we call that God, God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.  Two persons…a Father and a Son united as God to us.  To worship the Father and the Son is the same as worshiping the God with the outstretched arm from the OT. Irene, the oneness church does not believe that. Nick, for you to think that the Son did not interact with men before Mary is to leave a lot of scriptures in the OT unexplained when I think we are seeing the Son at work. Do you not think that God created the world through the Son? Terraricca, If I worship the God with the outstretched arm am I going against what the Bible teaches?  When the scriptures say to worship God, wouldn't that be the one with the outstretched arm?  Also, where does the Bible say to worship the “Father” alone.  It does say to worship the Lord your God and serve Him alone and that God has an outstretched arm.  I worship the God with the outstretched arm alone and it just so happens that the God with the outstretched arm is the Father and His Son.  The Son is the arm, figuratively. LU what is the first commandment????from Christ and God do you see and (out stretched arm)

terraricca,
Yes, I believe that the first commandment refers to the God with an outstretched arm.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
So one God is really two and you need to worship both?

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2010,22:09)

Hi LU, So one God is really two and you need to worship both?

Nick,
Yes, one Most High God and one only begotten God.  Together they are:

the God with the outstretched arm
one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ
our God and Eternal life.

Jesus is the resurrection and the life.
Jesus is the way the truth and the life.

Do you worship because you “need” to worship? Is that really heartfelt worship? Some worship the Father and the Son gladly and willingly.

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Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,16:14)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2010,22:09) Hi LU, So one God is really two and you need to worship both? Nick, Yes, one Most High God and one only begotten God.  Together they are: the God with the outstretched arm one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ our God and Eternal life. Jesus is the resurrection and the life. Jesus is the way the truth and the life. Do you worship because you “need” to worship?  Is that really heartfelt worship?  Some worship the Father and the Son gladly and willingly.

LU

1Co 3:22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours,
1Co 3:23 and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God.

so you worship two gods ,this is a new gospel ,because it is not teach by Christ apostels,

and not teach by Christ ,are you no becoming an antichrist ??

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terraricca,
You have to understand the context of the scripture and who God is in order to understand your verses better. You act like the Son is not referred to as the “Mighty God” why is that? In John 1:1 we find God with God but you don't want to see that either? You don't seem to accept that the Jews worshiped the God with the outstretched arm (which you admit is the Son). You seem to have trouble with the idea of two being one. Are you married…if so, are the two of you one? In regards to the Jews and Gentiles, did you know that the two groups will become one new man?

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Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,16:36)

terraricca, You have to understand the context of the scripture and who God is in order to understand your verses better.  You act like the Son is not referred to as the “Mighty God” why is that?  In John 1:1 we find God with God but you don't want to see that either?  You don't seem to accept that the Jews worshiped the God with the outstretched arm (which you admit is the Son).  You seem to have trouble with the idea of two being one.  Are you married…if so, are the two of you one?  In regards to the Jews and Gentiles, did you know that the two groups will become one new man?

lu

SHOW THAT SINSE THE BEGINING OF MOSES LAW AND THE PROPHETES,THEN CHRIST AND THE APOSTLES ,TEACHING THOSE CONSEPTS.

AND DO NOT BREAK THE WRITTEN WORD,BECAUSE IF YOU DO YOU BE A LIAR.

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Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 23 2010,00:45)

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,16:36) terraricca, You have to understand the context of the scripture and who God is in order to understand your verses better.  You act like the Son is not referred to as the “Mighty God” why is that?  In John 1:1 we find God with God but you don't want to see that either?  You don't seem to accept that the Jews worshiped the God with the outstretched arm (which you admit is the Son).  You seem to have trouble with the idea of two being one.  Are you married…if so, are the two of you one?  In regards to the Jews and Gentiles, did you know that the two groups will become one new man? lu SHOW THAT SINSE THE BEGINING OF MOSES LAW AND THE PROPHETES,THEN CHRIST AND THE APOSTLES ,TEACHING THOSE CONSEPTS. AND DO NOT BREAK THE WRITTEN WORD,BECAUSE IF YOU DO YOU BE A LIAR.

I mentioned a lot of things, which are you unaware of?

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Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,16:52)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 23 2010,00:45) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,16:36) terraricca, You have to understand the context of the scripture and who God is in order to understand your verses better.  You act like the Son is not referred to as the “Mighty God” why is that?  In John 1:1 we find God with God but you don't want to see that either?  You don't seem to accept that the Jews worshiped the God with the outstretched arm (which you admit is the Son).  You seem to have trouble with the idea of two being one.  Are you married…if so, are the two of you one?  In regards to the Jews and Gentiles, did you know that the two groups will become one new man? lu SHOW THAT SINSE THE BEGINING OF MOSES LAW AND THE PROPHETES,THEN CHRIST AND THE APOSTLES ,TEACHING THOSE CONSEPTS. AND DO NOT BREAK THE WRITTEN WORD,BECAUSE IF YOU DO YOU BE A LIAR. I mentioned a lot of things, which are you unaware of?

LU

you mention John 1;1 and thats all;and we all know that verse.

is that all scriptures you have???

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Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 23 2010,00:56)

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,16:52) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 23 2010,00:45) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,16:36) terraricca, You have to understand the context of the scripture and who God is in order to understand your verses better.  You act like the Son is not referred to as the “Mighty God” why is that?  In John 1:1 we find God with God but you don't want to see that either?  You don't seem to accept that the Jews worshiped the God with the outstretched arm (which you admit is the Son).  You seem to have trouble with the idea of two being one.  Are you married…if so, are the two of you one?  In regards to the Jews and Gentiles, did you know that the two groups will become one new man? lu SHOW THAT SINSE THE BEGINING OF MOSES LAW AND THE PROPHETES,THEN CHRIST AND THE APOSTLES ,TEACHING THOSE CONSEPTS. AND DO NOT BREAK THE WRITTEN WORD,BECAUSE IF YOU DO YOU BE A LIAR. I mentioned a lot of things, which are you unaware of? LU you mention John 1;1 and thats all;and we all know that verse. is that all scriptures you have???

terraricca,

For starters, how about this verse where the Son of God is referred to as the Mighty God:

Isaiah 9:6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

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