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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2010,19:07) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 19 2010,15:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 04 2010,15:45) Hi,
This is what LU wrote in another post.
“Hi Mike,
There are very few people that would question me as to why I was so insistent on worshipping Jesus AND the Father and they are all on HN. You few are not the norm in the Christian faith, you know that…right? I see Jesus as the Son within the Godhead, you don't. Trinitarians see Jesus as the Son within the Godhead too. That is why the Trinitarians and I can both worship the Son along with the
Father. I disagree with the Trinitarians on some things in the doctrine like the co-equal and co-eternal terms but not the idea of there being a Godhead made up of more than one person.The people that I read about or learn about that seem full of the Spirit and are very fruitful ALL worship Jesus as a member of the Godhead. They are reaching many for God and are people I would like to be with. God seems to be showing them favor. If they were wrong to worship Jesus and teach others to also, I don't think I would be seeing such fruit and such effective ministries.
Do you know of ministries that are demonstrating the fruit of the HS and are very effective for God that do not consider Jesus as part of the Godhead and only worship the Father? I don't hear of any big orthodox Jewish ministry that is out there healing the sick, clothing the naked and feeding the hungry.
Kathi”
The trinity folly began as a binity theory.
Two gods somehow being one god.But Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.[Peter]
Nick,
Your link expresses different ideas for binitarianism. I would stick with God's word that speaks of unity and not binity. Why complicate things by adding terms that are not in the Bible.Unity in the Bible:
John 17:22
NET ©
The glory you gave to me I have given to them, that they may be one just as we are one – (Do we become binified or unified, will we be a binity or a unity?)Ephesians 2:14
NET ©
For he is our peace, the one who made both groups into one and who destroyed the middle wall of partition, the hostility, (Do both groups become a binity or a unity?)John 17:11 …Holy Father, keep them safe in your name that you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are one. (This “oneness” cannot mean binity since Jesus is implying several becoming one, not just two. This “oneness” is a unity of several)
John 10:30 I and the Father are one. (One person or essential unity?)
Can you see how being “one” can be more than one person, it can mean unity. Jesus is talking to the Father as them being one…a unity. We don't need to say binity to mean this.
You and your wife are one, a unity or a binity? Do you say you and your wife are united in marriage or binited in marriage?
Binity and trinity are manmade terms that should not have been used, imo. A “oneness” as in “unity” is not a manmade idea but a Biblical idea. I'll stick with “unity.”
Kathi
Hi LU,
As you say we become one with Christ in the same way as he is with his God. As we are in Christ so also are we in his God. We worship his God with and in him.We are not worshiped because of our unity with Christ and his God and neither should we be.
But you suggest we should worship two gods, Christ and his God?
Nick,
I suggest that we worship our God; made up of God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. The angels do.LU
can you show me that this was from the begining ,that the angel worship God and Christ and that God and Christ are one
??in one person,that is.scriptures?
??……Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 21 2010,22:32) LU
can you show me that this was from the begining ,that the angel worship God and Christ and that God and Christ are one??in one person,that is.scriptures?
??……
terraricca,
I don't see them as one person. The term “God” can refer to a unity of more than one person, IMO.Whether or not it was like that from the beginning with the angels worshiping the Son or if it began when the Son won the victory and was exalted shouldn't make a difference for us now since the angels are now worshiping the Son.
Kathi
Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2010,14:23) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2010,19:07) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 19 2010,15:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 04 2010,15:45) Hi,
This is what LU wrote in another post.
“Hi Mike,
There are very few people that would question me as to why I was so insistent on worshipping Jesus AND the Father and they are all on HN. You few are not the norm in the Christian faith, you know that…right? I see Jesus as the Son within the Godhead, you don't. Trinitarians see Jesus as the Son within the Godhead too. That is why the Trinitarians and I can both worship the Son along with the
Father. I disagree with the Trinitarians on some things in the doctrine like the co-equal and co-eternal terms but not the idea of there being a Godhead made up of more than one person.The people that I read about or learn about that seem full of the Spirit and are very fruitful ALL worship Jesus as a member of the Godhead. They are reaching many for God and are people I would like to be with. God seems to be showing them favor. If they were wrong to worship Jesus and teach others to also, I don't think I would be seeing such fruit and such effective ministries.
Do you know of ministries that are demonstrating the fruit of the HS and are very effective for God that do not consider Jesus as part of the Godhead and only worship the Father? I don't hear of any big orthodox Jewish ministry that is out there healing the sick, clothing the naked and feeding the hungry.
Kathi”
The trinity folly began as a binity theory.
Two gods somehow being one god.But Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.[Peter]
Nick,
Your link expresses different ideas for binitarianism. I would stick with God's word that speaks of unity and not binity. Why complicate things by adding terms that are not in the Bible.Unity in the Bible:
John 17:22
NET ©
The glory you gave to me I have given to them, that they may be one just as we are one – (Do we become binified or unified, will we be a binity or a unity?)Ephesians 2:14
NET ©
For he is our peace, the one who made both groups into one and who destroyed the middle wall of partition, the hostility, (Do both groups become a binity or a unity?)John 17:11 …Holy Father, keep them safe in your name that you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are one. (This “oneness” cannot mean binity since Jesus is implying several becoming one, not just two. This “oneness” is a unity of several)
John 10:30 I and the Father are one. (One person or essential unity?)
Can you see how being “one” can be more than one person, it can mean unity. Jesus is talking to the Father as them being one…a unity. We don't need to say binity to mean this.
You and your wife are one, a unity or a binity? Do you say you and your wife are united in marriage or binited in marriage?
Binity and trinity are manmade terms that should not have been used, imo. A “oneness” as in “unity” is not a manmade idea but a Biblical idea. I'll stick with “unity.”
Kathi
Hi LU,
As you say we become one with Christ in the same way as he is with his God. As we are in Christ so also are we in his God. We worship his God with and in him.We are not worshiped because of our unity with Christ and his God and neither should we be.
But you suggest we should worship two gods, Christ and his God?
Nick,
I suggest that we worship our God; made up of God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. The angels do.
Hi LU,
Where does scripture say the angels worship God and His son as one person?Should you make such recommendations if you cannot find it written?
Hi LU,
This is what you said
“I suggest that we worship our God; made up of God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. The angels do. “Can you explain again how this unity exists and how it is different to our unity with Christ and his God?
Do you have two worship forms, one for God and another for our brother?Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2010,14:46) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 21 2010,22:32) LU
can you show me that this was from the begining ,that the angel worship God and Christ and that God and Christ are one??in one person,that is.scriptures?
??……
terraricca,
I don't see them as one person. The term “God” can refer to a unity of more than one person, IMO.Whether or not it was like that from the beginning with the angels worshiping the Son or if it began when the Son won the victory and was exalted shouldn't make a difference for us now since the angels are now worshiping the Son.
Kathi
LUyou see this is were all things do not fit ;opinions and views on one verse,an interpretation for the glory of men (women)
preaching confussion.put themself above Gods word boasting to know Gods spirit.
Hi LKU,
WHO is your God?
Surely we should have the same GOD as Jesus[Jn20.17]Are we not even to follow him in this vital way?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2010,23:01) Hi LU,
This is what you said
“I suggest that we worship our God; made up of God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. The angels do. “Can you explain again how this unity exists and how it is different to our unity with Christ and his God?
Do you have two worship forms, one for God and another for our brother?
Nick,
For as long as there was the Son, the Father and Son were united. We are not always united with the Father and the Son…we become one, we are not always one.Quote John 17:22-23
22 “The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;
23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.
NASUI do not recall a time in scriptures that the Father and Son “become” one. As I understand it, they always were/are one (unity).
Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2010,15:35) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2010,23:01) Hi LU,
This is what you said
“I suggest that we worship our God; made up of God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. The angels do. “Can you explain again how this unity exists and how it is different to our unity with Christ and his God?
Do you have two worship forms, one for God and another for our brother?
Nick,
For as long as there was the Son, the Father and Son were united. We are not always united with the Father and the Son…we become one, we are not always one.Quote John 17:22-23
22 “The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;
23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.
NASUI do not recall a time in scriptures that the Father and Son “become” one. As I understand it, they always were/are one (unity).
LUwere is the scripture that says that Christ is one with God???
OT ? NT ?
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:
Jn 17:23 I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
Jn 17:24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
Jn 17:25 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me.
Jn 17:26 I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”this is Jesus himself saying that he is one in thought with is father, and so he want that his father help is disciples so that they may also become one with both of them.one thought one will.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2010,23:28) Hi LKU,
WHO is your God?
Surely we should have the same GOD as Jesus[Jn20.17]Are we not even to follow him in this vital way?
Nick,
Jesus' God is the Father, our God is God the Father AND the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. The Father has no one greater than Himself and therefore does not have a God. Jesus does have one that is greater than Himself, the Father and He (the Father) is His (Jesus') God.We have both because we could not have the Father unless we had the Son. The Son doesn't have Himself for His God. We don't have ourselves for our God.
Paul says:
8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we live, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we live.Paul wouldn't say that to the Father or Jesus…it is different for them. Jesus wouldn't say, “For me there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom I live, AND one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom I live.
Jesus could say the first part but Jesus wouldn't say that He lives THROUGH Jesus. We came through Jesus, Jesus didn't come through Himself.
Can you see this?
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 22 2010,01:42) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2010,15:35) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2010,23:01) Hi LU,
This is what you said
“I suggest that we worship our God; made up of God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. The angels do. “Can you explain again how this unity exists and how it is different to our unity with Christ and his God?
Do you have two worship forms, one for God and another for our brother?
Nick,
For as long as there was the Son, the Father and Son were united. We are not always united with the Father and the Son…we become one, we are not always one.Quote John 17:22-23
22 “The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;
23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.
NASUI do not recall a time in scriptures that the Father and Son “become” one. As I understand it, they always were/are one (unity).
LUwere is the scripture that says that Christ is one with God???
OT ? NT ?
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:
Jn 17:23 I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
Jn 17:24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
Jn 17:25 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me.
Jn 17:26 I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”this is Jesus himself saying that he is one in thought with is father, and so he want that his father help is disciples so that they may also become one with both of them.one thought one will.
terraricca,
You are manipulating the oneness to read “one thought, one will.” Where does it say “one thought , one will?”Jesus says the Father and I are one…right? Do you realize that Jesus is considered by many to be the outstretched arm of God?
NASB ©
And He saw that there was no man, And was astonished that there was no one to intercede; Then His own arm brought salvation to Him, And His righteousness upheld Him.NASB ©
Behold, the Lord GOD will come with might, With His arm ruling for Him. Behold, His reward is with Him And His recompense before Him.These things Jesus spoke, and He went away and hid R828 F145 Himself from them. 37 But though He had performed so many signs F146 before them, yet they were not believing in Him. 38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet which he spoke: “LORD R829 , WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT? AND TO WHOM HAS THE ARM OF THE LORD BEEN REVEALED?” 39 For this reason they could not believe, for Isaiah said again, 40 “HE R830 HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED R831 THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE F147 CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.” 41 These things Isaiah said because he R832 saw His glory, and he R833 spoke of Him. 42 Nevertheless many R834 even of the R835 rulers believed in Him, but because R836 of the Pharisees they were not confessing Him, for fear that they would be put R837 F148 out of the synagogue; 43 for R838 they loved the approval F149 of men rather than the approval F149 of God.
Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,05:20) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 22 2010,01:42) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2010,15:35) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2010,23:01) Hi LU,
This is what you said
“I suggest that we worship our God; made up of God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. The angels do. “Can you explain again how this unity exists and how it is different to our unity with Christ and his God?
Do you have two worship forms, one for God and another for our brother?
Nick,
For as long as there was the Son, the Father and Son were united. We are not always united with the Father and the Son…we become one, we are not always one.Quote John 17:22-23
22 “The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;
23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.
NASUI do not recall a time in scriptures that the Father and Son “become” one. As I understand it, they always were/are one (unity).
LUwere is the scripture that says that Christ is one with God???
OT ? NT ?
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:
Jn 17:23 I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
Jn 17:24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
Jn 17:25 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me.
Jn 17:26 I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”this is Jesus himself saying that he is one in thought with is father, and so he want that his father help is disciples so that they may also become one with both of them.one thought one will.
terraricca,
You are manipulating the oneness to read “one thought, one will.” Where does it say “one thought , one will?”Jesus says the Father and I are one…right? Do you realize that Jesus is considered by many to be the outstretched arm of God?
NASB ©
And He saw that there was no man, And was astonished that there was no one to intercede; Then His own arm brought salvation to Him, And His righteousness upheld Him.NASB ©
Behold, the Lord GOD will come with might, With His arm ruling for Him. Behold, His reward is with Him And His recompense before Him.These things Jesus spoke, and He went away and hid R828 F145 Himself from them. 37 But though He had performed so many signs F146 before them, yet they were not believing in Him. 38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet which he spoke: “LORD R829 , WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT? AND TO WHOM HAS THE ARM OF THE LORD BEEN REVEALED?” 39 For this reason they could not believe, for Isaiah said again, 40 “HE R830 HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED R831 THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE F147 CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.” 41 These things Isaiah said because he R832 saw His glory, and he R833 spoke of Him. 42 Nevertheless many R834 even of the R835 rulers believed in Him, but because R836 of the Pharisees they were not confessing Him, for fear that they would be put R837 F148 out of the synagogue; 43 for R838 they loved the approval F149 of men rather than the approval F149 of God.
LUyes i do know that,
but that is not changing what i said to be true,you try to take me away from the fact that Christ ,unity is in spirit (thought) and will,did Jesus not show it when he was on earth???
what interpretation you want to give to the fact that he want to share the oneness with his apostles??and his father.??
Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,04:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2010,23:28) Hi LKU,
WHO is your God?
Surely we should have the same GOD as Jesus[Jn20.17]Are we not even to follow him in this vital way?
Nick,
Jesus' God is the Father, our God is God the Father AND the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. The Father has no one greater than Himself and therefore does not have a God. Jesus does have one that is greater than Himself, the Father and He (the Father) is His (Jesus') God.We have both because we could not have the Father unless we had the Son. The Son doesn't have Himself for His God. We don't have ourselves for our God.
Paul says:
8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we live, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we live.Paul wouldn't say that to the Father or Jesus…it is different for them. Jesus wouldn't say, “For me there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom I live, AND one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom I live.
Jesus could say the first part but Jesus wouldn't say that He lives THROUGH Jesus. We came through Jesus, Jesus didn't come through Himself.
Can you see this?
Hi LU,
We are not different from Jesus in having two gods when he had one.
He came to reconcile us with his God.
Jn20.17Hi T,
The son of God was given to share in the Spirit of his God just as we can be one with both.This is the unity Jesus spoke of in Jn17.
If cooperated with it is expressed in unity of thought and will.
God is at work in you to will and to do.[Phil2.13]
Hi LU,
You quote Jn12
These things Jesus spoke, and He went away and hid R828 F145 Himself from them. 37 But though He had performed so many signs F146 before them, yet they were not believing in Him. 38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet which he spoke: “LORD R829 , WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT? AND TO WHOM HAS THE ARM OF THE LORD BEEN REVEALED?” 39 For this reason they could not believe, for Isaiah said again, 40 “HE R830 HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED R831 THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE F147 CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.” 41 These things Isaiah said because he R832 saw His glory, and he R833 spoke of Him. 42 Nevertheless many R834 even of the R835 rulers believed in Him, but because R836 of the Pharisees they were not confessing Him, for fear that they would be put R837 F148 out of the synagogue; 43 for R838 they loved the approval F149 of men rather than the approval F149 of God. “Isaiah indeed saw the glory of God the father in Is 6 and this is what is being referred to.
Compare rev4Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2010,13:34) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,04:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2010,23:28) Hi LKU,
WHO is your God?
Surely we should have the same GOD as Jesus[Jn20.17]Are we not even to follow him in this vital way?
Nick,
Jesus' God is the Father, our God is God the Father AND the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. The Father has no one greater than Himself and therefore does not have a God. Jesus does have one that is greater than Himself, the Father and He (the Father) is His (Jesus') God.We have both because we could not have the Father unless we had the Son. The Son doesn't have Himself for His God. We don't have ourselves for our God.
Paul says:
8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we live, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we live.Paul wouldn't say that to the Father or Jesus…it is different for them. Jesus wouldn't say, “For me there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom I live, AND one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom I live.
Jesus could say the first part but Jesus wouldn't say that He lives THROUGH Jesus. We came through Jesus, Jesus didn't come through Himself.
Can you see this?
Hi LU,
We are not different from Jesus in having two gods when he had one.
He came to reconcile us with his God.
Jn20.17
Nick,
I don't say we have two gods. We have one God, the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ.Jesus has one God, the Father.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 22 2010,13:28) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2010,05:20) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 22 2010,01:42) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2010,15:35) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2010,23:01) Hi LU,
This is what you said
“I suggest that we worship our God; made up of God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. The angels do. “Can you explain again how this unity exists and how it is different to our unity with Christ and his God?
Do you have two worship forms, one for God and another for our brother?
Nick,
For as long as there was the Son, the Father and Son were united. We are not always united with the Father and the Son…we become one, we are not always one.Quote John 17:22-23
22 “The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;
23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.
NASUI do not recall a time in scriptures that the Father and Son “become” one. As I understand it, they always were/are one (unity).
LUwere is the scripture that says that Christ is one with God???
OT ? NT ?
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:
Jn 17:23 I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
Jn 17:24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
Jn 17:25 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me.
Jn 17:26 I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”this is Jesus himself saying that he is one in thought with is father, and so he want that his father help is disciples so that they may also become one with both of them.one thought one will.
terraricca,
You are manipulating the oneness to read “one thought, one will.” Where does it say “one thought , one will?”Jesus says the Father and I are one…right? Do you realize that Jesus is considered by many to be the outstretched arm of God?
NASB ©
And He saw that there was no man, And was astonished that there was no one to intercede; Then His own arm brought salvation to Him, And His righteousness upheld Him.NASB ©
Behold, the Lord GOD will come with might, With His arm ruling for Him. Behold, His reward is with Him And His recompense before Him.These things Jesus spoke, and He went away and hid R828 F145 Himself from them. 37 But though He had performed so many signs F146 before them, yet they were not believing in Him. 38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet which he spoke: “LORD R829 , WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT? AND TO WHOM HAS THE ARM OF THE LORD BEEN REVEALED?” 39 For this reason they could not believe, for Isaiah said again, 40 “HE R830 HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED R831 THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE F147 CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.” 41 These things Isaiah said because he R832 saw His glory, and he R833 spoke of Him. 42 Nevertheless many R834 even of the R835 rulers believed in Him, but because R836 of the Pharisees they were not confessing Him, for fear that they would be put R837 F148 out of the synagogue; 43 for R838 they loved the approval F149 of men rather than the approval F149 of God.
LUyes i do know that,
but that is not changing what i said to be true,you try to take me away from the fact that Christ ,unity is in spirit (thought) and will,did Jesus not show it when he was on earth???
what interpretation you want to give to the fact that he want to share the oneness with his apostles??and his father.??
terraricca,
I do believe that His unity is greater than what you think.Can you rewrite this question…I can't understand what you are asking.
Quote what interpretation you want to give to the fact that he want to share the oneness with his apostles??and his father.?? Thanks!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2010,13:59) Hi LU,
Yes and so should you?Should you appoint your lord as another god?
Nick,Is Jesus the Lord of glory or is He just a lord to you Nick?
Is Jesus the Lord of glory AND a mighty god/God? Is He also the arm of God? Do you have a God with a right arm or without a right arm? If you worship the God with a right arm then you actually worship the Father and the Son.There is no other God other than the Father and the Son.
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