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Abundant life is what God had in mind for man, when he created him; through Jesus we can now have that kind of life, but not in this world, Satan's world.
Had man chosen to rely on God, rather then on himself, we would have that life.
During the millennium, any one who listens, and obeys the King, Jesus, will have everlasting life.You're forgetting that this is still Satan's world, he is the god of this world, 2 Cor. 4:4; has anything changed since Paul wrote this that I'm not aware off?
If you think that evil is only in the minds of man, than you must not be watching the news on TV.
My question instead is, is there any “good” in man?It is not only sickness and disease, accidents and murder, that kill us; it is also old age, we are not meant to live for ever right now; that will be determent during the millennium.
You make an interesting point in your post above this one; you say you want to learn, that is, as long as it agrees with what you believe, right?
My past experience with you tells me otherwise; but then, you are not the only one; there, that should make you feel better.Georg
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 21 2010,03:44) To all: I would love some opinions on the Biblical term “abundant life”. Its seems to me that abundant life, or more than enough life, would be a counter term to disease and death. In other words more than enough life would also mean not enough or no death. I believe this aligns with the salvation that Jesus brought to mankind. The words saved and salvation (sozo/soteria, I believe) both have a double meaning of made whole and healed. In other words to be saved one is also simlutaneously healed, made whole, cleansed, and perfected unto God. The healing of the sick is a part of the abundant life because sickness is premature death and life is God. A little bit of sickness and you feel bad, a lot of sickness and you die. You loose your life through sickness and disease. Sickness and disease are not of God. Death is not a part of life. The will of God is always abundant life. When God created mankind he placed an immune system or automatic system
that fights for life within the human being. If must be his will that we are healthy. Healthy is life/God. We are sons of life/God not sons of death/disease. Our minds have the annointing of God through Christ. All things are possible to those who believe what Jesus said. Positive
thinking will help anyones life but the true power of God resides in believing what Jesus said. Jesus said it is not what goes into a man that defiles or makes him unclean/sick/diseased its what comes out of him that makes him sick. For from the heart man speaks and if it is destruction, hate, anti-love, evil gossip, sin, and all
other forms of death or anti-life he will create/receive the very death/destruction he pours out of his heart. What we believe in our hearts and express out to others will return in similar form as that same expression back to you. What we give out/sow from our hearts, that also will we reap. I believe we are taking our own inherited God power and creating our own individual demise. Then we blame God for letting it happen. Any thoughts? God Bless all, TK
TKwhat ever men thinks is never in line with Gods will;
you example you never talk about gods love ,like what is that love what are the rule of that love ,
because scriptures tell us that it will stay in effect forever;so what is it and how do we apply it in our lives
Pierre
Quote (Baker @ Dec. 01 2010,07:07) Tim Abundant life is what God had in mind for man, when he created him; through Jesus we can now have that kind of life, but not in this world, Satan's world.
Had man chosen to rely on God, rather then on himself, we would have that life.
During the millennium, any one who listens, and obeys the King, Jesus, will have everlasting life.You're forgetting that this is still Satan's world, he is the god of this world, 2 Cor. 4:4; has anything changed since Paul wrote this that I'm not aware off?
If you think that evil is only in the minds of man, than you must not be watching the news on TV.
My question instead is, is there any “good” in man?It is not only sickness and disease, accidents and murder, that kill us; it is also old age, we are not meant to live for ever right now; that will be determent during the millennium.
You make an interesting point in your post above this one; you say you want to learn, that is, as long as it agrees with what you believe, right?
My past experience with you tells me otherwise; but then, you are not the only one; there, that should make you feel better.Georg
A fool is one that knows not the things of God. What kind of fool would quote a scripture that is supposed to support his belief that satan is the god of this world,when the scripture just before it says 11Cor.4:3..but if our gospel be hid, it is hid TO THEM THAT ARE LOST: IN WHOM THE god OF THIS(lost) WORLD HATH BLINDED THE MINDS OF THEM WHICH BELIEVE NOT, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them…!
You have made darkness a god!
To a man who lives in this world and believe's that Satan is the god of this world, Satan is his god!! I truly do not believe that is what you really mean. If it is what you mean then you are saying, satan is god and thereby denying the entire effort of Jesus the Christ and the true God.
Satans world is darkness where fools dwell. Satan is a lie. Satan has no world. Lies are only gods in the minds of persons that believe the lies to be their god. Do you bow unto deception of the truth. And you would say I'm confused!!!
The most dangerous man on earth is a religious man that believes in satan/evil and great destruction to come upon mankind. There is no gospel in that doctrine at all!!
For all who believe in satan as god of this world, and evil and sin and wars and destruction to come, welcome to hell! Hell is where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. Hell is where cancer/death/disease/sickness rule.
Misery is understood in Hell. After all hells god is a lie! TKQuote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 09 2010,00:43) Ed; DO YOU FOLLOW THE WHOLE LAW?
Bless all, TK
Hi Tim,I no longer sin; Tim Kraft. (1John 5:18) Breaking “The Law”
is not following the commandments of YHVH! (1John 3:4 / 1John 2:4)
Matt.5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,
and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but
whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi KW,
I transferred your post here.“You still not understand what Jesus meant when rebuked those who diligently studied Scripture but did not come to him. If you understood then you would know that the witness serves no purpose but to lead you to God and his righteousness. Both the NIV and the KJV, though flawed, still serve this purpose because those that seek God will not be led astray. “
The KJV , YLT and NASB are HONEST efforts at interpretation IMO.
The NIV DELIBERATELY ADDS.
It is not useful for teaching IMOQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2012,01:17) Hi KW,
I transferred your post here.“You still not understand what Jesus meant when rebuked those who diligently studied Scripture but did not come to him. If you understood then you would know that the witness serves no purpose but to lead you to God and his righteousness. Both the NIV and the KJV, though flawed, still serve this purpose because those that seek God will not be led astray. “
The KJV , YLT and NASB are HONEST efforts at interpretation IMO.The NIV DELIBERATELY ADDS.
It is not useful for teaching IMO
Nick;A thought for thought is not adding words; it is writing down the thoughts expressed. It is an “honest” effort made by ignorant and biased men just like the KJV , YLT and NASB. I have found added words in the KJV as well.
Hi KW,
Carnal men have no concept of the thoughts of God.
To be useful to Him they need to write EXACTLY WHAT it says.
His reasons for writing it that way are deeper than men can imagine.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2012,09:27) Hi KW,
Carnal men have no concept of the thoughts of God.
To be useful to Him they need to write EXACTLY WHAT it says.
His reasons for writing it that way are deeper than men can imagine.
Nick;Even one word composes a thought so literal translations really do the same. As I pointed out the KJV uses Hell for both Hades and Tartarus.
Here is another error it shares with the NIV; but the NIV alerts you that is could written other ways.
Acts 20:28
King James Version (KJV)28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
and
Acts 20:28
New International Version (NIV)28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God,[a] which he bought with his own blood.
Footnotes:Acts 20:28 Many manuscripts of the Lord
Acts 20:28 Or with the blood of his own Son.Quote (kerwin @ May 13 2012,14:12) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2012,01:17) Hi KW,
I transferred your post here.“You still not understand what Jesus meant when rebuked those who diligently studied Scripture but did not come to him. If you understood then you would know that the witness serves no purpose but to lead you to God and his righteousness. Both the NIV and the KJV, though flawed, still serve this purpose because those that seek God will not be led astray. “
The KJV , YLT and NASB are HONEST efforts at interpretation IMO.The NIV DELIBERATELY ADDS.
It is not useful for teaching IMO
Nick;A thought for thought is not adding words; it is writing down the thoughts expressed. It is an “honest” effort made by ignorant and biased men just like the KJV , YLT and NASB. I have found added words in the KJV as well.
Hi Kerwin, FALSE!What makes you believe the NIV translators know
“GOD's thoughts”? There words prove that DON'T!
The “AKJV Bible” was translated “Word for Word”!“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than
your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” (Isaiah 55:8-9)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ May 13 2012,20:40) Quote (kerwin @ May 13 2012,14:12) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2012,01:17) Hi KW,
I transferred your post here.“You still not understand what Jesus meant when rebuked those who diligently studied Scripture but did not come to him. If you understood then you would know that the witness serves no purpose but to lead you to God and his righteousness. Both the NIV and the KJV, though flawed, still serve this purpose because those that seek God will not be led astray. “
The KJV , YLT and NASB are HONEST efforts at interpretation IMO.The NIV DELIBERATELY ADDS.
It is not useful for teaching IMO
Nick;A thought for thought is not adding words; it is writing down the thoughts expressed. It is an “honest” effort made by ignorant and biased men just like the KJV , YLT and NASB. I have found added words in the KJV as well.
Hi Kerwin, FALSE!What makes you believe the NIV translators know
“GOD's thoughts”? There words prove that DON'T!
The “AKJV Bible” was translated “Word for Word”!“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than
your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” (Isaiah 55:8-9)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed. J.I did not, nor would I, claim the NIV translators know the thoughts of God; as they like the teachers of the KJV are false translators of God. I did state it was an honest; as measured by men; effort to translate the thoughts of God to English; as is the KJV and other versions.
Even the KJV attempts to translate the thoughts of God from one language to another; as each word represents a thought or part of a thought.
Acts 12:4
King James Version (KJV)4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
This is what the New King James Version teaches:
Acts 12:4
New King James Version (NKJV)4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.
Herod was and is a Jew; though his soul abides in Sheol and his body has returned to dust.
This is what Wikipedia states about Herod Agrippa.
Quote He returned to Judea and governed it to the satisfaction of the Jews. His zeal, private and public, for Judaism is recorded by Josephus and the rabbis. Quote (kerwin @ May 14 2012,10:18) Ed. J. I did not, nor would I, claim the NIV translators know the thoughts of God
Hi Kerwin,Than how can a 'thought for thought' version be anything but corruption then?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ May 14 2012,10:18) Ed. J. they like the teachers of the KJV are false translators of God.
FALSE!The “AKJV Bible” translators translated the text “word for word”.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ May 14 2012,10:18) Acts 12:4
King James Version (KJV)4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
Hi Kerwin,I told you already, Herod was not celebrating the Jewish passover, but the 'Ishtar' celebration.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,06:19) Quote (kerwin @ May 14 2012,10:18) Acts 12:4
King James Version (KJV)4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
Hi Kerwin,I told you already, Herod was not celebrating the Jewish passover, but the 'Ishtar' celebration.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.That claim contradicts all the valid and sound evidence I have heard about Herod Agrippa. It also contradicts the earlier words of the KJV which state:
Acts 12
King James Version (KJV)3 And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)
4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
Don't you know when the Jewish feast of unleavened bread is?
Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,06:16) Quote (kerwin @ May 14 2012,10:18) Ed. J. they like the teachers of the KJV are false translators of God.
FALSE!The “AKJV Bible” translators translated the text “word for word”.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed. J.They translate the same word into different English words. That is a thought for thought translation.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,05:30) Hi KW,
Are the MEASUREMENTS OF MEN sufficient?
Nick;We have what God chose to give us.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,23:48) Hi KW,
And you have the choice for learning from.
Honest and dishonest translations.
Nick;There are no honest Translations; there is just an honest God; I choose to learn from him.
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