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Quote (Tim Kraft @ April 14 2009,22:03) It seems to me that when Nicodemus came to Jesus and said we know you are from God because of the physical works & miracles you do.
Jesus answered that with you must be born again to see/percieve the Kingdom of God. Nickodemus had assesed the physical work of Jesus as the reason to believe. Jesus answered him (spiritually as in all his disertations) you must be born (mentally recreated of Spirit) to see/percieve the Kingdom of God as being within the mind/heart. 1st Peter 1:23—you must be born again not of physical/perishible words or doctrines but born from above/spirit which is imperishable/eternal words of Jesus. The old physical way had passed. The new incorruptable washing of the Spirit words of Jesus transform a natural man into a Spiritual man. If a person reads a scripture in this new day he must see the dream of its intention. Men will dream dreams and see visions. A natural man cannot understand the Spirit of God. Jesus is all and in all. Jesus is the new Temple, he is the door of the Temple, he is the Light of the Temple, hes the true bread,the sacrifice,the Truth, the High Priest, etc. As we are recreated with his Truth we become ONE with him. As you partake of Spirit Truth you become ONE in the Truth! Peace, TK
TimJhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jhn 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.Jesus is explaining to Nicodemus there are two kinds of rebirth, resurrection; one is to flesh again, and the other is to spirit nature. Jesus then goes on to explain to him the nature of a spirit being.
Jhn 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
A spirit being is like the wind, you can't see the wind, and you can't see a spirit being, and you can't see the spiritual kingdom of God unless you are born again as a spirit being.
Georg
Hi Georg,
You are born of flesh already.
Jesus contrasted that natural birth to rebirth from above of the Spirit of God.What do you mean “already”? I expect that this body will die before long, and I also expect to be raised up from my grave with a new flesh body.
Job 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
Job 14:15 Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.
Job 33:25 His flesh shall be fresher than a child's: he shall return to the days of his youth:Georg
Hi Georg,
There is no new flesh body, but one that is incorruptible.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom[1Cor15]
They are corruptible and of earth, not heaven.Hi Georg,
Then show us the scriptures that say we hare given a NEW FLESH BODY1Cor15
45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1 John 3:2
Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.Quote (Tim Kraft @ April 07 2009,09:25) How do you get born again I don't fine any scriptures that tell how. Jesus said you must be born again but how?
Perhaps you could also tell me what sin is to you.
Jesus said that he and the Father were one. He also prayed that we would all be one with them.Put that together with the fact that God is omnipresent I'd say he's in us.If God is everywhere then everything that exists is in God, there is no outside of God.
God is in his Kingdom, Jesus said his Kingdom is within us. We are the Temple maid without hands.
Hi Tim:The following scripture tells you how to be born again:
Quote Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Act 2:37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.
The Apostle Peter was preaching to those who had crucified the Lord, and when they believed, they asked him what they should do. He told them to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins and they would receive the Holy Ghost.
When you believe the Word of God you are born of water, and when receive the Holy Ghost you are born of the Spirit of God. This is how one is born again.
What it indicates is that you have acknowledged that you have broken God's Law, and have asked God to forgive you and wash your sins away by the blood that Jesus shed for you. Water baptism indicates that you have confessed Jesus as your Lord and that you have died unto sin, and have been raised again from the dead (spiritual separation from God) by the Holy Spirit of God just as Jesus was raised again from the dead. Water bapism is symbolic, but you will know when you have received the Holy Ghost that this testimony is true.
Quote Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.I hope this helps.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi 94,
Agreed.
Men can argue till they are blue in the face butLuke 7:35
“Yet wisdom is vindicated by all her children.”Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2009,10:28) Hi Georg,
Then show us the scriptures that say we hare given a NEW FLESH BODY1Cor15
45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1 John 3:2
Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.
As I said before, your problem is that you think there will be nothing but spirit beings on this earth. Those that were chosen to be kings, and priests, will assist Christ in teaching, and ruling the rest of humanity; flesh and blood people; with one difference, there will be no more sickness, disease or death. The gift of God is “eternal” life, that means, all will live for ever.((“Then show us the scriptures that say we hare given a NEW FLESH BODY”))
Here it is again.
Job 33:25 His flesh shall be fresher than a child's: he shall return to the days of his youth:
Georg
Hi Georg,
You have not been paying attention.
There will be many nations of natural people who to see the millenial time.Jb33
14For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.15In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;
16Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,
17That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.
18He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from perishing by the sword.
19He is chastened also with pain upon his bed, and the multitude of his bones with strong pain:
20So that his life abhorreth bread, and his soul dainty meat.
21His flesh is consumed away, that it cannot be seen; and his bones that were not seen stick out.
22Yea, his soul draweth near unto the grave, and his life to the destroyers.
23If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to shew unto man his uprightness:
24Then he is gracious unto him, and saith, Deliver him from going down to the pit: I have found a ransom.
25His flesh shall be fresher than a child's: he shall return to the days of his youth:
26He shall pray unto God, and he will be favourable unto him: and he shall see his face with joy: for he will render unto man his righteousness.
27He looketh upon men, and if any say, I have sinned, and perverted that which was right, and it profited me not;
28He will deliver his soul from going into the pit, and his life shall see the light.
29Lo, all these things worketh God oftentimes with man,
30To bring back his soul from the pit, to be enlightened with the light of the living.
So in Job the frequent works of divine help “oftentimes” towards natural men is described but you take it on yourself to appoint this as millenial work only? God is the saviour of all men, especially those who believe.
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