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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2012,04:22) Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,04:09) Ed, I believe you are not following Christ, because I don't believe Jesus said anything about a hidden number code in the Bible. I just don't see it. I believe your belief is wrong–on the number code and on other things.
Hi David,That is YOUR opinion.
If you have any bible references
about your assertion please do share them; OK?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed, that is MY opinion….AND THE OPINION OF EVERY OTHER PERSON ON THIS FORUM WHO HAS EVER SPOKEN.
“OUR” opinion is that you are wrong and that this belief about numbers isn't something Christ taught.
I'm trying to make a connection here ed, so bear with me.
“WE” (EVERYONE) who has ever spoken on this forum (other than yourself) believes that what you teach about the numbers code, which seems to be a main, or central religious belief to you….is false.
Therefore, your form of belief or worship is false.
(I know, at this point, your brain is coming up with 1000 things to say against JW's and why they are false, but please just go with my line of thinking for a moment)
YOUR numbers code Bible thing, to US, EVERYONE ELSE on this forum, seems wrong and unChristian.
I know you believe in Christ, as do JW's.
Everyone on this forum thinks JW's are wrong on a number of things.
Everyone on this forum thinks you are wrong on the secret Bible number code, (and other things).–And my “ASSERTION” is simply that people on this forum disagree with you on the Bible code number thing. I am right in that assertion.
Whether the number thing is true or not or whether JW's represent any kind of truth or not, I am not discussing at this point.
I am merely pointing out that when it comes to belief, no one on this forum agrees. And if wrong beliefs are what make someone not a Christian, then who are Christians on this forum?
A Christian is someone who follows Christ. (If this definition is wrong, please say so.)
If the people on this forum are following Christ (with the exception of JW's) then why are they so divided?Is Christ Divided? Are Christians divided? Or, as Jesus said, are they “one”?
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 12 2012,04:21) Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,11:09) Quote I asked: “Is it not true that your organization teaches that non-members are non-Christians?” The problem Ed, is, everyone thinks they are following Christ, ie: a Christian.
If everyone was following Christ, would this forum exist? If we all had the mind of Christ and were one, as Jesus said his followers would be, would this forum exist? No.
The Christ is not divided. Clearly, mathematically, logically, we are not all following Christ. (We all “believe in” Christ. But that's different, isn't it?)
Ed, you don't think I am a Christian. (ie: you don't think I am following Christ)–because you believe that I have belief x and belief Z and belief w.
Ed, I believe you are not following Christ, because I don't believe Jesus said anything about a hidden number code in the Bible. I just don't see it. I believe your belief is wrong–on the number code and on other things.
Ed, half of us here think Jesus is God Almighty. The other half of us think those people are delusional. Are both groups following Christ? Are both groups Christians? Is the Christ divided? Are his followers divided? Or are they one, as he said they would be?
Ed, I am not who you think I am.
Hi DavidIn this you are right ,and all believers are paying their way in a way ,because we still learning to perfect us so that we may be approve by Christ and his father,no matter what we believe,and it is our responsibility to make sure that we follow the truth of Gods word.
Pierre
PIERRE, don't you see, that is exactly what JW's say?It's how past false beliefs are explained.
Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,04:52) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2012,04:22) Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,04:09) Ed, I believe you are not following Christ, because I don't believe Jesus said anything about a hidden number code in the Bible. I just don't see it. I believe your belief is wrong–on the number code and on other things.
Hi David,That is YOUR opinion.
If you have any bible references
about your assertion please do share them; OK?God bless
Ed J
Ed, that is MY opinion….AND THE OPINION OF EVERY OTHER PERSON ON THIS FORUM WHO HAS EVER SPOKEN.
“OUR” opinion is that you are wrong and that this belief about numbers isn't something Christ taught.
I'm trying to make a connection here ed, so bear with me.
“WE” (EVERYONE) who has ever spoken on this forum (other than yourself) believes that what you teach about the numbers code, which seems to be a main, or central religious belief to you….is false.
Therefore, your form of belief or worship is false.
(I know, at this point, your brain is coming up with 1000 things to say against JW's and why they are false, but please just go with my line of thinking for a moment)
YOUR numbers code Bible thing, to US, EVERYONE ELSE on this forum, seems wrong and unChristian.
I know you believe in Christ, as do JW's.
Everyone on this forum thinks JW's are wrong on a number of things.
Everyone on this forum thinks you are wrong on the secret Bible number code, (and other things).–And my “ASSERTION” is simply that people on this forum disagree with you on the Bible code number thing. I am right in that assertion.
Whether the number thing is true or not or whether JW's represent any kind of truth or not, I am not discussing at this point.
I am merely pointing out that when it comes to belief, no one on this forum agrees. And if wrong beliefs are what make someone not a Christian, then who are Christians on this forum?
A Christian is someone who follows Christ. (If this definition is wrong, please say so.)
If the people on this forum are following Christ (with the exception of JW's) then why are they so divided?Is Christ Divided? Are Christians divided? Or, as Jesus said, are they “one”?
Hi David,Let me know when you have some bible verses to show me; OK?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd, your question is highly illogical.
What Bible verse am I going to show you that supports my 'assertion' that everyone on this forum disagrees with your beliefs about the numbers (and other things)? We both know that is the case. You are creating a red herring in wanting me to find a scripture that says this.
If I have said something incorrect in the statement above, please point it out.
I am actually trying to look at the logic of what you were asking and compare it to how it relates to everyone else, such as yourself. I do understand why you don't want to have this conversation.
I don't really even care for this conversation myself, I just don't like the inconstancy in your logic.
Ed,
I just realized how you bolded the “I don't believe you are following Christ….” and then bolded me wanting to provide scriptures to support that.
Let me retract that statement if I can.
Let me instead say:
“WE” (virtually every single person on this forum) don't believe that Christ put a hidden code in the Bible.
Therefore, are you following Christ? If not, who are you following? Yourself? Who?
OR
Are “WE” wrong? And if “we” (the people of this forum) are wrong, then are we not following Christ, by not following or understanding the Bible code?
If Christ put a secret message in the Bible for his followers and “WE” (the people of this forum) can not see this message of Christ, are WE (the people of this forum) really following Christ? Are WE (the people of this forum) really Christians?
Is my definition (Christian: “someone who follows Christ”) accurate?
THE CHRIST IS NOT DIVIDED. JESUS SAID HIS FOLLOWERS WOULD BE “ONE.”
Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,05:15) Ed, your question is highly illogical. What Bible verse am I going to show you that supports my 'assertion' that everyone on this forum disagrees with your beliefs about the numbers (and other things)? We both know that is the case. You are creating a red herring in wanting me to find a scripture that says this.
If I have said something incorrect in the statement above, please point it out.
I am actually trying to look at the logic of what you were asking and compare it to how it relates to everyone else, such as yourself. I do understand why you don't want to have this conversation.
I don't really even care for this conversation myself, I just don't like the inconstancy in your logic.
Hi David,So you then admit (by YOUR lack of producing any) that
YOU do not have any bible verses to support your claim.What inconstancy in logic?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,05:26) Ed, I just realized how you bolded the “I don't believe you are following Christ….” and then bolded me wanting to provide scriptures to support that.
Let me retract that statement if I can.
Let me instead say:
“WE” (virtually every single person on this forum) don't believe that Christ put a hidden code in the Bible.
Therefore, are you following Christ? If not, who are you following? Yourself? Who?
OR
Are “WE” wrong? And if “we” (the people of this forum) are wrong, then are we not following Christ, by not following or understanding the Bible code?
If Christ put a secret message in the Bible for his followers and “WE” (the people of this forum) can not see this message of Christ, are WE (the people of this forum) really following Christ? Are WE (the people of this forum) really Christians?
Is my definition (Christian: “someone who follows Christ”) accurate?
THE CHRIST IS NOT DIVIDED. JESUS SAID HIS FOLLOWERS WOULD BE “ONE.”
Hi David,I don't agree with your conclusions.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote Wakeup, I CHALLENGE YOU to produce one NWT translation, or one JW belief that is scripturally wrong. –MIKE, few pages back.
This is a really weird challenge!!!
It's like saying that you believe that “JW belief” is all correct. You can't believe this yourself, as you aren't a JW and have said that you disagree with certain things. (You haven't become a JW in the last 4 months while I was away, have you?)
I could put you in a really awkward position now by stating something JW believe that I know you must disagree with…unless you are a JW?
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2012,05:29) Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,05:15) Ed, your question is highly illogical. What Bible verse am I going to show you that supports my 'assertion' that everyone on this forum disagrees with your beliefs about the numbers (and other things)? We both know that is the case. You are creating a red herring in wanting me to find a scripture that says this.
If I have said something incorrect in the statement above, please point it out.
I am actually trying to look at the logic of what you were asking and compare it to how it relates to everyone else, such as yourself. I do understand why you don't want to have this conversation.
I don't really even care for this conversation myself, I just don't like the inconstancy in your logic.
Hi David,So you then admit (by YOUR lack of producing any) that
YOU do not have any bible verses to support your claim.What inconstancy in logic?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed,Are you referring to my claim that:
MY CLAIM: “THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM, IF NOT EVERY SINGLE PERSON OTHER THAN YOURSELF, DO NOT BELIEVE THAT JESUS PUT A SECRET BIBLE CODE INTO THE BIBLE.”
Is this the claim you want me to back up with scripture?
(As I've said before, I'm not here arguing that the Bible code is true or untrue, but simply “asserting” or “claiming” that almost no one on this forum believes what you do.)
If throughout the whole Bible, a secret code lies, and WE (the vast majority of this forum) cannot see this hidden MESSAGE FROM CHRIST, are we really following Christ, if we cannot see a message that runs through the Bible? Was this message not put there for God's people, or Christians to see? Why can't we see it?
Are we Christians?
Is Christ divided? Are Christians divided? Or, are they “one” as Jesus said, that his followers would be?
Sorry, I want to be clear, that claim that I put in quotes for some reason, wasn't an actual quote. I am not stating that as an official claim, so we all know what I am claiming. I put it in quotes, so there is no question what the claim is.
Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,05:44) Ed, Are you referring to my claim that:
MY CLAIM: “THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM, IF NOT EVERY SINGLE PERSON OTHER THAN YOURSELF, DO NOT BELIEVE THAT JESUS PUT A SECRET BIBLE CODE INTO THE BIBLE.”
Hi David,No, I'm referring to the highlighted part of this assertion…
Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,04:09) Ed, I believe you are not following Christ, because I don't believe Jesus said anything about a hidden number code in the Bible. I just don't see it. I believe your belief is wrong–on the number code and on other things. God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi David,
Are you now changing YOUR claim to:
Quote …'Ed, we believe you are not following Christ'? God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd, you do at least read some of my posts, I hope.
Quote Let me retract that statement if I can. Let me instead say:
“WE” (virtually every single person on this forum) don't believe that Christ put a hidden code in the Bible.
Quote MY CLAIM: “THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM, IF NOT EVERY SINGLE PERSON OTHER THAN YOURSELF, DO NOT BELIEVE THAT JESUS PUT A SECRET BIBLE CODE INTO THE BIBLE.” I think you have a whole website about the bible number stuff. To me, it seems like this is a primary belief of yours. It seems to be central to your understanding of the Bible. It seems to be where you get some of your Bible ideas from.
If to be a “Christian” means to follow Christ, and if the people of this forum do not think this central belief of yours is in any way christian or real even, then do the people of this forum really believe you are Christian, ie: following Christ?
Half the people on here: trinitarian.
Other half, non-trinitiarian.Are both groups “Christian”? Are both sides following Christ, if they don't even know who he is? Is that possible?
Is Christ divided? Or, as Jesus said, would his followers be “one”?
Hi David,
Why don't you run a poll if it concerns you what the others 'think' of me?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2012,04:23) Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,04:09)
Ed, I am not who you think I am.
Hi David,What is this suppose to mean?
God bless
Ed J
Hi David,You still haven't told us what this means? …well, what does it mean?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2012,06:15) Hi David, Why don't you run a poll if it concerns you what the others 'think' of me?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed, it doesn't. I am using it as an example.I also used the trinitarian/nontrinitarian as an example.
It doesn't overly concern me if others think you are truly Christian.
But, you seem to think it is wrong for one group to label others who believe they are Christians as non-Christians.
The actual truth is, almost everyone on this forum is divided with everyone else on almost everything.
If the Bible says that the Christ is not divided and if Jesus said his followers would be “one,” and if to be a Christian is to be a follower of Christ, and if Christ said to do certain things and taught certain things, but half of us believe something entirely different than what Christ taught (trinity/non-trinity for example), is that half Christian?
I am actually curious as to what you think with regard to what I underlined.
Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,06:33)
But, you seem to think it is wrong for one group to label others who believe they are Christians as non-Christians.
Hi David,I have only been trying to get you to fess-up to what the watchtower society teaches.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2012,06:41) Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,06:33)
But, you seem to think it is wrong for one group to label others who believe they are Christians as non-Christians.
Hi David,I have only been trying to get you to fess-up to what the watchtower society teaches.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
2 thoughts:why?
also, if you know what they teach (and I presume you do) then why get anyone to “fess-up.” “why” not just say it? If what they teach is wrong, IN THIS REGARD, as I presume you believe, then I must point out the inconsistency in your belief in this regard.
Which is what I have been trying to do.
Please consider and answer my question that I underlined in the post above. Please do not make your answer inconsistent with what you are trying to get JW's to “fess-up” to.
(This will be hard for you.)
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