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Quote (Stu @ May 02 2009,09:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 01 2009,08:01) Quote (Stu @ April 28 2009,18:57) bodhitharta Quote I did teach you something.
Well if you did, I don't remember it so it was not a very effective lesson.Quote Did you really know that essentially all living organisms have to have all three of the requirements I mentioned and if so, why did you bring up viruses?
What do you mean by 'essentially'?
Come to think of it, you still have not said what you consider a border species to be.Quote There are no gods there is only GOD
Yeah, that was what you were saying before. You still have not said which god.Is it Sobek the Egyptian crocodile god?
Bear with me, it could take a while if I have to make guesses.
Stuart
Stu,God bless you for being part of this forum, it shows that you want to engage and that is good.
You wouldn't be here if you were sure there was no God as what would be the point. So, I am going to apologize for being a bit to judgemental of you.
In fact think of that word Judge-Mental I do not want to do that. I think your heart is worth examining for you obviously care about your fellow human beings.
God Bless you Always!
Thank you bodhitharta.My view is that I cannot know about any gods, and that you cannot either. So I am curious to know how you can tell anyone about your god while dismissing what others say about their gods.
I take it there is no actual biological objection to evolution from anyone posting in this thread then: the objections are based on religious tenets.
Stuart
I do not dismiss what others say about God. However, there is to my understanding no “gods” as there would be chaos in the universe this is evidenced by chaos on earth from multiple leaders.I already gave you a biological objection to evolution.
I never gave you a religious reason, I didn't need to because after you examine the facts God is all that remains.
Quote (t8 @ May 05 2009,17:00) Quote (Stu @ April 27 2009,23:08) Little children may be thrown into a lake of fire if we get the mythology wrong. That is so much more acceptable now.
Wrong again Stu.Show us where that is written in scripture.
You won't be able to find it because it is not there.
So the lake of fire you talk about is not in scripture? Or sinners don't go there?Stuart
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 05 2009,17:33) I do not dismiss what others say about God. However, there is to my understanding no “gods” as there would be chaos in the universe this is evidenced by chaos on earth from multiple leaders. I already gave you a biological objection to evolution.
I never gave you a religious reason, I didn't need to because after you examine the facts God is all that remains.
I asked you why you dismiss what others claim about THEIR gods. They say there is no chaos according to what THEY believe about THEIR gods: there is no problem, but it is just not the Judeo-christian god meddling with the universe. I suppose the ancient Romans might say there IS chaos because of the way their gods do meddle with the universe. Why are they wrong and you right? The evidence does not favour one over the other.You gave not one single piece of biological evidence to disprove evolution by natural selection. Be honest. There is a commandment that demands it!
What exactly does “because after you examine the facts God is all that remains” mean? Are you a pantheist?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ May 06 2009,02:18) Quote (t8 @ May 05 2009,17:00) Quote (Stu @ April 27 2009,23:08) Little children may be thrown into a lake of fire if we get the mythology wrong. That is so much more acceptable now.
Wrong again Stu.Show us where that is written in scripture.
You won't be able to find it because it is not there.
So the lake of fire you talk about is not in scripture? Or sinners don't go there?Stuart
The Lake of Fire is the second death. It is a place where sinners are destroyed. The eternal frying pan version of it is an invention of the RCC. Fire destroys things and breaks them down into elements to be reused. So what ever turns to ashes cannot be brought back as the thing or compilation of cells it once was. The second death is a destruction of the soul.At the end of the day, whether you believe in the Lake of Fire or not, makes no difference to you, because either way you do not have eternal life if you don't believe in God and knowingly continue in sin.
1) You do not believe you have eternal life
2) The bible says practising sinners do not inherit eternal life.So there seems to be an agreement at least that in your current state is seems unlikely that you will have eternal life either by your own admission or that which is written given your unbelief and adversity against God.
In God's law, children were not held accountable for their sins by reason of their age. This age of accountability is not pinpointed in scripture as a specific age for obvious reasons as it naturally differs from person to person since it depends upon a variety of social and environmental factors. A person is not subject to the law of God until he or she is mature enough to understand and to be responsible for their behaviour.
John 9:41
Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.Quote (Stu @ May 06 2009,02:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 05 2009,17:33) I do not dismiss what others say about God. However, there is to my understanding no “gods” as there would be chaos in the universe this is evidenced by chaos on earth from multiple leaders. I already gave you a biological objection to evolution.
I never gave you a religious reason, I didn't need to because after you examine the facts God is all that remains.
I asked you why you dismiss what others claim about THEIR gods. They say there is no chaos according to what THEY believe about THEIR gods: there is no problem, but it is just not the Judeo-christian god meddling with the universe. I suppose the ancient Romans might say there IS chaos because of the way their gods do meddle with the universe. Why are they wrong and you right? The evidence does not favour one over the other.You gave not one single piece of biological evidence to disprove evolution by natural selection. Be honest. There is a commandment that demands it!
What exactly does “because after you examine the facts God is all that remains” mean? Are you a pantheist?
Stuart
Once again I do not dismiss such claims as I do understand that is what there understanding is. I do not even have to dismiss the claims of the atheist. It is simple really, I cannot adequately judge your claim nor you mine but I can discuss itAlso what is the “Judeo-Christian” God? God is not Jewish or Christian how could God join a religion? Religion to God is taking care of widows and orphans and doing right in the course of living.
As far as evolution is concerned, I guess my main argument is not against micro evolution but against macro evolution as I have already discussed before about the boundary of the ring of any specie.
Sterility occurs at a certain point of change and that ensures special integrity it's okay if you don't believe me but that is als connected to why I said that the 3 essentials of a living organism was so vital because in a ring of species sterility would prevent any further genetic changes i.e. deleting one of the essentials.
God Bless you Always!
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 06 2009,15:40) Quote (Stu @ May 06 2009,02:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 05 2009,17:33) I do not dismiss what others say about God. However, there is to my understanding no “gods” as there would be chaos in the universe this is evidenced by chaos on earth from multiple leaders. I already gave you a biological objection to evolution.
I never gave you a religious reason, I didn't need to because after you examine the facts God is all that remains.
I asked you why you dismiss what others claim about THEIR gods. They say there is no chaos according to what THEY believe about THEIR gods: there is no problem, but it is just not the Judeo-christian god meddling with the universe. I suppose the ancient Romans might say there IS chaos because of the way their gods do meddle with the universe. Why are they wrong and you right? The evidence does not favour one over the other.You gave not one single piece of biological evidence to disprove evolution by natural selection. Be honest. There is a commandment that demands it!
What exactly does “because after you examine the facts God is all that remains” mean? Are you a pantheist?
Stuart
Once again I do not dismiss such claims as I do understand that is what there understanding is. I do not even have to dismiss the claims of the atheist. It is simple really, I cannot adequately judge your claim nor you mine but I can discuss itAlso what is the “Judeo-Christian” God? God is not Jewish or Christian how could God join a religion? Religion to God is taking care of widows and orphans and doing right in the course of living.
As far as evolution is concerned, I guess my main argument is not against micro evolution but against macro evolution as I have already discussed before about the boundary of the ring of any specie.
Sterility occurs at a certain point of change and that ensures special integrity it's okay if you don't believe me but that is als connected to why I said that the 3 essentials of a living organism was so vital because in a ring of species sterility would prevent any further genetic changes i.e. deleting one of the essentials.
God Bless you Always!
The Judeo-christian god is the one believed in / worshipped by Jews and christians but not others. It is not the god worshipped by those who follow the great juju.So what is your disproof of natural selection? Random scientific terms joined into sentences do not mean much to me.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ May 06 2009,22:14) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 06 2009,15:40) Quote (Stu @ May 06 2009,02:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 05 2009,17:33) I do not dismiss what others say about God. However, there is to my understanding no “gods” as there would be chaos in the universe this is evidenced by chaos on earth from multiple leaders. I already gave you a biological objection to evolution.
I never gave you a religious reason, I didn't need to because after you examine the facts God is all that remains.
I asked you why you dismiss what others claim about THEIR gods. They say there is no chaos according to what THEY believe about THEIR gods: there is no problem, but it is just not the Judeo-christian god meddling with the universe. I suppose the ancient Romans might say there IS chaos because of the way their gods do meddle with the universe. Why are they wrong and you right? The evidence does not favour one over the other.You gave not one single piece of biological evidence to disprove evolution by natural selection. Be honest. There is a commandment that demands it!
What exactly does “because after you examine the facts God is all that remains” mean? Are you a pantheist?
Stuart
Once again I do not dismiss such claims as I do understand that is what there understanding is. I do not even have to dismiss the claims of the atheist. It is simple really, I cannot adequately judge your claim nor you mine but I can discuss itAlso what is the “Judeo-Christian” God? God is not Jewish or Christian how could God join a religion? Religion to God is taking care of widows and orphans and doing right in the course of living.
As far as evolution is concerned, I guess my main argument is not against micro evolution but against macro evolution as I have already discussed before about the boundary of the ring of any specie.
Sterility occurs at a certain point of change and that ensures special integrity it's okay if you don't believe me but that is als connected to why I said that the 3 essentials of a living organism was so vital because in a ring of species sterility would prevent any further genetic changes i.e. deleting one of the essentials.
God Bless you Always!
The Judeo-christian god is the one believed in / worshipped by Jews and christians but not others. It is not the god worshipped by those who follow the great juju.So what is your disproof of natural selection? Random scientific terms joined into sentences do not mean much to me.
Stuart
Stu,Nature is not conscious it selects nothing!
The selection is just letting things fail to survive if unsuited to the environment. That kind of selection most clearly does happen all the time. It is also the basis for evolution by natural selection.
Stuart
Yeah but logic or order never come from nothing. Whatever happens in natural selection is allowable by the underpinnings of creation whether you call that code, laws, instructions, or all three. Any variation in a species is allowable by reason of the DNA interacting with the environment which is handy for survival. e.g, we have many types of humans that are adapted to their environment. Arguing the merits or lack of merits on this, still does not touch on how this is all allowed to happen and by what construct.
Your explanation as to how a cake is made may be right or wrong, but that is irrelevant because the bigger question upon what it all hinges is who baked the cake or if in deed any one baked it at all. Providing a theory on how a cake is made means nothing to the existence of a baker.
e.g., this web page is composed of many posts, each one is different. The construct that makes this possible is the WWW (server) and a HTML browser (Client). These 2 combined allow for variations in posts, but the code doesn't allow this forum to change into Microsoft Word. It is a forum that allows what it has been purposefully instructed to allow and there is space for variation. There may be things in common with MS Word such as fonts, texts, and a toolbar, but if the forum mutated it would just be a broken forum with less chance of surviving as a web site.
I could easily come up with a imaginative theory on how this web site will mutate into MS Word in 500 years, and I could make it sound really logical by introducing small believable jumps at a time. and perhaps even show similar code and naming conventions to back it all up. But the whole idea is ridiculous and foolish to anyone who is not blind.
Priceless. It came from nothing.
Nothing produced logic, law, instructions.
Wow it is magic.
Look a rabbit came out of a hat. Wow, how does a rabbit appear from nothing and be inside that hat?
Welcome to the Religion of Nothing (alias Magic).
Quote (Stu @ May 10 2009,03:08) The selection is just letting things fail to survive if unsuited to the environment. That kind of selection most clearly does happen all the time. It is also the basis for evolution by natural selection. Stuart
There is no such thing as Natural selection as it is biological viability that NS is trying to explain but NS is extremely misleading and tries to suggest some mode of progress which is not possible in ToEQuote (bodhitharta @ May 12 2009,08:16) Quote (Stu @ May 10 2009,03:08) The selection is just letting things fail to survive if unsuited to the environment. That kind of selection most clearly does happen all the time. It is also the basis for evolution by natural selection. Stuart
There is no such thing as Natural selection as it is biological viability that NS is trying to explain but NS is extremely misleading and tries to suggest some mode of progress which is not possible in ToE
I don't have much objection to that, except it is useful to have a name for the set of processes that result in the modification of species over time. Sexual selection and biological arms races belong under that overall heading of natural selection.Indeed evolution is in some ways progess but there has never been a preordained direction for it.
Stuart
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