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Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,13:34) Hi Kerwin, Kangaroo Jack uses this definition of being to say “a rock” is a being…
being: the qualities that constitute an existent thingGod bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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Ed,My statement is generic and therefore can cover a rock or even a wind. I can confidently go one step further and declare Jehovah is a living being; though he is certainly not a created being as many seem to believe in their heart.
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,21:05) Hi Pierre, God is noncorporeal.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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edGod his spirit ;and so has a spirit body,what ever that his ,
God lives in the invisible world if we can say so not see him or understand what he his .
and the holy spirit his OF him ,not him,
God his live ,
God his an idividual being,with all our cababilities in a magnified version and no limits.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2012,03:22) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 26 2012,08:47) You preach and believe they are persons as we are , But they are not they are Spirits and Spirits are not individual persons as you suppose they are.
Gene, it seems we now agree that God, Satan, and the angels are individual BEINGS. And since they are all SPIRITS, it means that you FINALLY agree to SPIRIT BEINGS. That is enough for now.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 26 2012,08:47) As far as the Preaching of SEPARATION Goes, you clearly said Jesus was not LIKE WE ARE, over and over
Let's end this “separation” thing once and for all. Gene, we don't try to SEPARATE Jesus from us, for our hope is that Jesus and His God are one with us – not SEPARATED from us. What we preach is that Jesus was DIFFERENT from us, and here is the proof:1. Jesus had no human father.
2. Jesus had God Himself as his original and direct Father.
3. Jesus received the Holy Spirit WITHOUT MEASURE.
4. Jesus had glory alongside his God before the world began.
5. All things were created through and for Jesus.
6. Jesus came down from heaven to do the will of his Father.
7. Jesus, when he was in human form, claimed to have SEEN God.
8. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.
9. Jesus is the Savior of mankind.
10. Jesus was God's sacrificial Lamb.
11. Jesus never sinned.Gene, these are just few off the top of my head. What I need you to do is tell me which numbers also apply to you as a human being. And if not ALL of them also apply to YOU, then YOU are DIFFERENT from Jesus.
You must try to remember that the promise never was that Jesus had to be exactly like us. The promise is that some of us can someday be like him.
Mike………1……….So was Adam and EVE
2………. So did Adam and EVE
3………. So have many recieved Holy Spirit in fact Stephen it is said was “FULL” of the SPIRIT> Jesus also said His disciples would do GREATER WORKS then He did.
4……….. No scripture says Jesus existed as a “BEING” with Glory “ALONG SIDE ” the Father before the world began.
5……….. God said He “ALONE and BY HIMSELF created all things both in heaven and earth. I or no one else see the word Jesus written their.
6…………All thing created by God came from Heaven where his throne is. “Everything” including Jesus and Us also. Or don't you believe Jesus who said to us Your Father who is “IN” Heaven”.
7…………False, Jesus said No man has seen the Father at any time That included the Son of MAN Jesus.
8………> While Jesus is a uniquely begotten Son, he certainty is no the ONLY ONE unless you consider him as the “ONLY” ONE thus far “Begotten” from Mankind into the Kingdom of GOD.
9……Wrong, GOD the FATHER is the SAVIOR of ALL by HIMSELF and ALONE, Jesus was “HIS” Sacrifice “HE” (GOD) offered for the Sins of the World.
10………Right.
11………Right. But question is HOW and and WHY did not Jesus ever sin. Answer, He prophesied by GOD to come into “EXISTENCE” through a WOMEN, and was Kept and Sealed BY GOD and Empowered By the Holy Spirit of God. He Hence was a “PERFECT MAN” or Human being . Non of that “SEPARATES” Jesus for his HUMAN IDENTITY WITH US AT ALL>
Jesus in scripture is call our Brother, we are also said to be Joint Heirs. He is said to come from the Roots of Jesse, and King David their offspring. Not some “DIFFERENT” MORPHED BEING OF SOME kind which you have no idea what it Was or IS>
Mike , if you say your false teachings about Jesus Preexistence is not a Work of “SEPARATING” Jesus' “IDENTITY” with His fellow Human Brother and Sisters, you are simply a LIAR and the TRUTH is NOT IN YOU> IMO
peace and love ………………………………………………gene
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,21:22) God does NOT consist of a person's body – rather – a person's body is created in God's image.
Ed. J.Humanity was created in the image of God.
Ecclesiastes 7:29
King James Version (KJV)29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
Colossians 3:10
King James Version (KJV)10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 28 2012,09:23) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,21:22) God does NOT consist of a person's body – rather – a person's body is created in God's image.
Ed. J.Humanity was created in the image of God.
Ecclesiastes 7:29
King James Version (KJV)29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
Colossians 3:10
King James Version (KJV)10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 27 2012,12:14) 10………Right. 11………Right.
Gene,There is no point even arguing over the other numbers, because your own words have show that you are DIFFERENT from Jesus.
Good, because that is what the Bible teaches. Jesus was one of a kind Gene, not “exactly like us”.
So remember that the next time you want to accuse me of SEPARATING Jesus from us. I'm not SEPARATING him from us – only pointing out that he was DIFFERENT than us in MANY ways.
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2012,14:48) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,15:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2012,06:47) Ed, what word is the root word of “personality”?
A dog has personality, is a dog 'a person'?
Mike?
Ed?(Btw, I already answered your question on page 101, 5th post, the last of the bolded words.)
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2012,18:21) Mike, My point is that the statements are the same.
In other words, that whole thing was an exercise in futility for me, and the bottom line is that Phil 2 STILL teaches that Jesus was existing in the form of God before being made into the likeness of a human being?Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 28 2012,09:22) God does NOT consist of a person's body – rather – a person's body is created in God's image.
edthis is another wrong view of yours ,so we getting apart on a daily base
God's body is described for us in many scriptures. He obviously has a form (“morphe” = outward appearance), or Jesus couldn't have been existing in His form before he was made in the likeness of a human being.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2012,03:02) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2012,08:40) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2012,02:59) How can YOU have a PERSONal relationship with Him if you don't even believe He is a PERSON?
Hi Mike,The spirit of the living God, YHVH, Tabernacles in me.
Ed,This “PERSON” subject is really a non-issue, because the only thing we are arguing about is YOUR understanding that “person” refers ONLY to human beings.
It is clear from the info I posted to you that your view is a minority, since 70% of Americans believe God is a person. I have told you this before, but I'll say it again: If YOU want to use the word “entity” for God, the use the word “entity” for God. But don't try to CORRECT those of us who understand that the word “person” applies to humans, angels, God, and – in the broadest sense of the word – to pets.
Get it Ed? YOU are free to use the words YOU want to use to define God. So when WE use the word “person”, just bite your tongue and disagree in your mind – instead of posting erroneous information designed to correct us. Because it is clear that the FACTS of the matter are against you on this one.
Hi Mike,My point is that person is inaccurate,
rather than saying Webster doesn't comply.
I thought my point was rather clear to you by now;
but perhaps you missed it because of preconceived ideas?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,07:48) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2012,02:53)
Ed,Answer the question that I first asked of you, and then I will answer yours.
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 25 2012,08:39)
Hi Mike,Person …A dog has personality, is a dog 'a person'?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Mike?
Hi Mike,And I have answered your question TWO posts down (thrice now).
To be technical, I answered it once, but reposed it twice now.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2012,11:25) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 27 2012,12:14) 10………Right. 11………Right.
Gene,There is no point even arguing over the other numbers, because your own words have show that you are DIFFERENT from Jesus.
Good, because that is what the Bible teaches. Jesus was one of a kind Gene, not “exactly like us”.
So remember that the next time you want to accuse me of SEPARATING Jesus from us. I'm not SEPARATING him from us – only pointing out that he was DIFFERENT than us in MANY ways.
Mike………..Each of us are one of a kind There is no one Exactly like you or Me or any one else as far as that goes. We are all INDIVIDUAL “HUMAN” PERSONS. But that has nothing to do our Identity different as far a “human being” goes. Your preexistence teachings Make Jesus different then we are in a HUMAN SENSE> It is a Work of SEPARATING Jesus' “HUMAN” Identity with His Fellow Brothers and Sisters. I realize you seem to be unable to understand that but none the less it is the truth> All Trinitarians and Preexistences are separatist you people remove Jesus' Identity with Mankind and thereby destory Both His work as a “PURE” HUMAN BEING , and more you also destory GOD the FATHERS WORK In the HUMAN BEING “JESUS”>Jesus can not be any example to you becasue He is by your own word DIFFERENT that you ARE> YOU have Moved Him to a GOD Status and seek to Worship Him as Such. This false teaching Makes the “IMAGE” Of Jesus into an “IMAGE” of a MAN OF SIN, becasue we are told by GOD the Father, you shall have “NO” other Gods besides Me, You worship the messenger the same as you do the one who sent Him. That is IDOLATRY MIKE> Removing Jesus' Identity from his human brothers and sisters and elevating him to a Deity or “god” status makes him an object of you worship and that is Idolatry Mike.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 29 2012,01:42) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2012,11:25) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 27 2012,12:14) 10………Right. 11………Right.
Gene,There is no point even arguing over the other numbers, because your own words have show that you are DIFFERENT from Jesus.
Good, because that is what the Bible teaches. Jesus was one of a kind Gene, not “exactly like us”.
So remember that the next time you want to accuse me of SEPARATING Jesus from us. I'm not SEPARATING him from us – only pointing out that he was DIFFERENT than us in MANY ways.
Mike………..Each of us are one of a kind There is no one Exactly like you or Me or any one else as far as that goes. We are all INDIVIDUAL “HUMAN” PERSONS. But that has nothing to do our Identity different as far a “human being” goes. Your preexistence teachings Make Jesus different then we are in a HUMAN SENSE> It is a Work of SEPARATING Jesus' “HUMAN” Identity with His Fellow Brothers and Sisters. I realize you seem to be unable to understand that but none the less it is the truth> All Trinitarians and Preexistences are separatist you people remove Jesus' Identity with Mankind and thereby destory Both His work as a “PURE” HUMAN BEING , and more you also destory GOD the FATHERS WORK In the HUMAN BEING “JESUS”>Jesus can not be any example to you becasue He is by your own word DIFFERENT that you ARE> YOU have Moved Him to a GOD Status and seek to Worship Him as Such. This false teaching Makes the “IMAGE” Of Jesus into an “IMAGE” of a MAN OF SIN, becasue we are told by GOD the Father, you shall have “NO” other Gods besides Me, You worship the messenger the same as you do the one who sent Him. That is IDOLATRY MIKE> Removing Jesus' Identity from his human brothers and sisters and elevating him to a Deity or “god” status makes him an object of you worship and that is Idolatry Mike.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………….gene
Gene B.Some part of your post I agree with and some part I Dont.
Heb.1:6. And again,when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world,he said: let all the angels of God –WORSHIP HIM.–
8. But unto the son he said,THY THRONE –O GOD– ,is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9. Thou has loved righteousness,and hated iniquity; therefore–GOD–, even thy God,had anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
wakeup.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2012,08:42) We are all INDIVIDUAL “HUMAN” PERSONS. But that has nothing to do our Identity different as far a “human being” goes. Your preexistence teachings Make Jesus different then we are in a HUMAN SENSE>
But Gene,Jesus WAS different than us, even in a “human sense”. How many human beings have had a human mother and God Almighty as a Father?
How many human beings can say they “came down from heaven”, where they “had glory alongside God before the world began”? How many can say they will “ascend” to where they “were before” – and then ascend into heaven?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2012,06:38) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2012,18:21) Mike, My point is that the statements are the same.
In other words, that whole thing was an exercise in futility for me, and the bottom line is that Phil 2 STILL teaches that Jesus was existing in the form of God before being made into the likeness of a human being?
Mike,The excessive was about testing what you believe.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 30 2012,04:22) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2012,06:38) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2012,18:21) Mike, My point is that the statements are the same.
In other words, that whole thing was an exercise in futility for me, and the bottom line is that Phil 2 STILL teaches that Jesus was existing in the form of God before being made into the likeness of a human being?
Mike,The excessive was about testing what you believe.
Kso you have become your fellow man judge
do you think that you holding the sword by the handle and not by the blade
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 29 2012,11:07) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2012,08:42) We are all INDIVIDUAL “HUMAN” PERSONS. But that has nothing to do our Identity different as far a “human being” goes. Your preexistence teachings Make Jesus different then we are in a HUMAN SENSE>
But Gene,Jesus WAS different than us, even in a “human sense”. How many human beings have had a human mother and God Almighty as a Father?
How many human beings can say they “came down from heaven”, where they “had glory alongside God before the world began”? How many can say they will “ascend” to where they “were before” – and then ascend into heaven?
Mike……….We could say the same about Adam and EVE, So in your understanding were they Different then the rest of Us Human also as far as Human Being go. Where they no human being becasue God created them? NO they were create as Human Being and so was Jesus. Jesus is not different then any human Being is and to try to SEPARATE Him from us and make him different then we ARE is absolutely against Jesus and God's work in humanity also , Mike God did not take a “Preexisting anything and try to deceive us to think he was a true Human Being exactly as we are when all the time he was a Morphed Bring of some kind.Mike i am telling you the Truth all Trinitarians and Preexistences Preach a false Jesus Christ , He is a SON of MAN The first Man from Mankind to be raised to eternal Life after death.
Him being Prophesied before his berth as a Human Being make no difference as far as him being a human being goes, no more them it would make Moses, Jeremiah, John the Baptist, Cyrus the King, an different then the rest of Us also.
Mike making Jesus different is the work of an Antichrist rather you understand that or not Mike it is the truth>
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………….gene
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2012,17:33) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 30 2012,04:22) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2012,06:38) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2012,18:21) Mike, My point is that the statements are the same.
In other words, that whole thing was an exercise in futility for me, and the bottom line is that Phil 2 STILL teaches that Jesus was existing in the form of God before being made into the likeness of a human being?
Mike,The excessive was about testing what you believe.
Kso you have become your fellow man judge
do you think that you holding the sword by the handle and not by the blade
T,It is written to test the spirit of what you hear and also to watch your own doctrine. It is beneficial to test your teachings; whether you are taught how or do so by instinct.
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