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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 26 2012,18:49) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2012,11:44) Gene, That was yet ANOTHER of your novels, telling everyone else that THEY don't understand what spirits are.
I was asking for DIRECT answers to the questions. Are you able to give them?
Mike………That was no Novel it was a direct answer only you seem unable to understand it>Peace and love to you and your…………………………………….gene
Answer this one DIRECTLY, Gene:2. When it says, “AND THE LORD SAID UNTO SATAN”, to whom was the Lord talking?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 27 2012,11:48) Wake up are you saying you don't “REASON with in yourself about things and if Not then what do you do, Reasoning with yourself is a “form” of speaking to one self and it is with Word you are reasoning with rather you believe it or not, try reasoning without word in you mind>. Who said i was hearing voices i never said the But the Spirit of a Satan is not a voice it is a Spirit and indeed it is (IN) everyone and must be Mastered By the Spirit of God (IN) a Person Just the same way Jesus Mastered (IT) in the Wilderness. Tell when you ever saw a SATAN tell us what does he look like does he carry a Pitch fork and have a red suit he wears, Show us in any scripture what he looks like in appearance. Wakeup tell us what Jesus meant when he said if ” “you “being” “EVIL” (existing in a evil state), know how to give good gifts to your childern, how much more will your Father IN Heaven Given them of His Spiirt that ask
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………gene
Gene B.Was God only thinking in his mind when he was speaking to satan? was that the evil in Gods mind he was speaking to?
Is God hearing voices satan answering?And is jesus also speaking to his satan; in his mind?
But scripture says that satan answers back?
So you are not hearing voices: but Jesus did according to you.
What will people say about him?wakeup.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 27 2012,11:49) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2012,11:44) Gene, That was yet ANOTHER of your novels, telling everyone else that THEY don't understand what spirits are.
I was asking for DIRECT answers to the questions. Are you able to give them?
Mike………That was no Novel it was a direct answer only you seem unable to understand it>Peace and love to you and your…………………………………….gene
Hi Gene,I agree with Mike – you have “NOT” answered Wakeup's questions – so, will you PLEASE do so?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ July 27 2012,09:17) Gene.B. 1.satan is just mens thoughts.correct?
2.satan as a creature does not exist.correct?
3.But one can have a conversation with satan,as God did have a conversation with satan.Correct?And satan did answer him back.correct?(as in Job).wakeup.
Gene?EDJ……….I never said that , Satan is a Spirit that effect men thoughts is what i said. ha-satan is a adversarial (SPIRIT) and can be in anyone, that Kind of Spirit is effecting the whole world. Looking at (IT) as a PERSON is FALSE , Just like looking at GOD as a PERSON is also False, Jesus present God the Father that way but later said it was a “Proverbial Language” (factious illustration) he was using, Now ask you self why did Jesus say that? Spirits are not Person they are types and kinds of Life (itself)> Spirits are what is (IN) People or Beings.
As far as the LORD Having a conversation with that Spirit , Just as we reason in our Minds the LORD does also But with a much higher (INTELLECT) or Spirit. If you believe there exist a SATAN “PERSON OR BEING, then why has “NO” One ever seen (IT) or DESCRIBED what (IT) LOOKS LIKE. The only description given in scripture is how (IT) work Like a SERPENT meaning sneaky or subtle nature or way. Problem here is People do not understand what a SPIRIT (IS), It is NOT a PERSON It is what is (IN) a Person.
EDJ, you need to go and read what Jodi has Posted on this subject and think about it. IMO
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 28 2012,13:53) EDJ……….I never said that , Satan is a Spirit that effect men thoughts is what i said. ha-satan is a adversarial (SPIRIT) and can be in anyone, that Kind of Spirit is effecting the whole world. Looking at (IT) as a PERSON is FALSE , Just like looking at GOD as a PERSON is also False, Jesus present God the Father that way but later said it was a “Proverbial Language” (factious illustration) he was using, Now ask you self why did Jesus say that? Spirits are not Person they are types and kinds of Life (itself)> Spirits are what is (IN) People or Beings. As far as the LORD Having a conversation with that Spirit , Just as we reason in our Minds the LORD does also But with a much higher (INTELLECT) or Spirit. If you believe there exist a SATAN “PERSON OR BEING, then why has “NO” One ever seen (IT) or DESCRIBED what (IT) LOOKS LIKE. The only description given in scripture is how (IT) work Like a SERPENT meaning sneaky or subtle nature or way. Problem here is People do not understand what a SPIRIT (IS), It is NOT a PERSON It is what is (IN) a Person.
EDJ, you need to go and read what Jodi has Posted on this subject and think about it. IMO
Gene B.we also have never seen God and yet we believe in him.
You gave us so many explanations:
But where is your back up? scripture please.wakeup.
Gene,
Job 1:7
The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”Gene, to whom did the LORD ask this question?
Mike………..I believe God has Made distinct Spirits that are able to effect thing on this earth and these Spirits are (INTELLECTS) but as far as them being a Being as in a PERSON, I do not believe that. I Showed you all where God Made the four Spirits that go to and fro in the earth. Now you could say they are Beings, but they were called Horses remember, this Personification of Spirit is a Metaphor and used as a symbolic language in scriptures. Spirits do have effects on people and consequentially on their lives rather good or evil they all effect our lives , but are they Persons , NO they are Not. A spirit is not a person but what is (IN) a Person. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………………….gene
So what is your DIRECT answer to my question then, Gene?
Did Jehovah say those words to HIMSELF? Did He say them to a “distinct spirit” that He had created?
What's the ANSWER to the question?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2012,03:59) So what is your DIRECT answer to my question then, Gene? Did Jehovah say those words to HIMSELF? Did He say them to a “distinct spirit” that He had created?
What's the ANSWER to the question?
Lets play hide and seek.wakeup.
The more Gene hides, the more I will seek.
Btw, this was really your question, Wakeup – even though I labeled it as mine in my last post.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2012,05:17) The more Gene hides, the more I will seek. Btw, this was really your question, Wakeup – even though I labeled it as mine in my last post.
Mike B.Thats fine.
wakeup.
This is the problem ;If they can not answer a question they simply ignore it,and go somewhere else.
Where is that hunger for the truth? how can we ever learn more? we must be honest. what is the problem if some one knows more; its all given anyway its not our own doings.Greetings to you.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 30 2012,16:47) This is the problem ;If they can not answer a question they simply ignore it,and go somewhere else.
Where is that hunger for the truth? how can we ever learn more? we must be honest. what is the problem if some one knows more; its all given anyway its not our own doings.Greetings to you.
wakeup.
wupI like your comment ,I wander if you would follow it
?Quote (Wakeup @ July 30 2012,09:47) This is the problem ;If they can not answer a question they simply ignore it,and go somewhere else.
Where is that hunger for the truth? how can we ever learn more? we must be honest. what is the problem if some one knows more; its all given anyway its not our own doings.Greetings to you.
wakeup.
Wakeup and Mike……….Lets see who is ignoring scripture.Pro 4:5………Get wisdom , get understanding: forget it not neither decline from the words of my mouth.,(6) Forsake her notand she shall keep you. (7) Wisdom is the principle thing, therefore get wisdom: and with all your getting get understanding. (8) Exalt her and she shall promote you: she shall bring you into Honor when you doest embrace her (9) She shall give to thine head and ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to you.
Love is also spoken of in scripture as a Women also.
Here is another you all have “ignored” …………. John 16:25 …> These things i have Spoken unto you in proverbs: (fictitious illustrations) but the time comes when I shall not more speak unto you in proverbs (fictitious Illustrations ) but will show you plainly of (about) the Father.
Now lets see who is “IGNORING” what is written. Again i ask if you are so sure this Satan of Yours is a PERSON of Some kind then describe Him to us all . What dose (HE) or is it an (IT) look like .
And while you are at it tell me what did Jesus mean when he said to Peter Get behind Me Satan you understand not the things of God.
Also what did Jesus mean when He told the Pharisees that their Father was the Devil or Satan < does that mean Satan Fathered them in the Womb and they were his progeny becasue Satan is a Person or does it mean Satan is a "SPIRIT" and can live in anyone Just as GOD is a Spirit and can live in anyone also.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………………….gene
Quote (terraricca @ July 30 2012,11:47) Quote (Wakeup @ July 30 2012,16:47) This is the problem ;If they can not answer a question they simply ignore it,and go somewhere else.
Where is that hunger for the truth? how can we ever learn more? we must be honest. what is the problem if some one knows more; its all given anyway its not our own doings.Greetings to you.
wakeup.
wupI like your comment ,I wander if you would follow it
?
Terra.Is there an honest question that I have not answered?
What is it? Have I ever runned away from a question?wakeup.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 31 2012,02:29) Quote (Wakeup @ July 30 2012,09:47) This is the problem ;If they can not answer a question they simply ignore it,and go somewhere else.
Where is that hunger for the truth? how can we ever learn more? we must be honest. what is the problem if some one knows more; its all given anyway its not our own doings.Greetings to you.
wakeup.
Wakeup and Mike……….Lets see who is ignoring scripture.Pro 4:5………Get wisdom , get understanding: forget it not neither decline from the words of my mouth.,(6) Forsake her notand she shall keep you. (7) Wisdom is the principle thing, therefore get wisdom: and with all your getting get understanding. (8) Exalt her and she shall promote you: she shall bring you into Honor when you doest embrace her (9) She shall give to thine head and ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to you.
Love is also spoken of in scripture as a Women also.
Here is another you all have “ignored” …………. John 16:25 …> These things i have Spoken unto you in proverbs: (fictitious illustrations) but the time comes when I shall not more speak unto you in proverbs (fictitious Illustrations ) but will show you plainly of (about) the Father.
Now lets see who is “IGNORING” what is written. Again i ask if you are so sure this Satan of Yours is a PERSON of Some kind then describe Him to us all . What dose (HE) or is it an (IT) look like .
And while you are at it tell me what did Jesus mean when he said to Peter Get behind Me Satan you understand not the things of God.
Also what did Jesus mean when He told the Pharisees that their Father was the Devil or Satan < does that mean Satan Fathered them in the Womb and they were his progeny becasue Satan is a Person or does it mean Satan is a "SPIRIT" and can live in anyone Just as GOD is a Spirit and can live in anyone also.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………………….gene
GeneB.Lets be straight:
Why did you not anwer Mikes question?
Was God speaking to himself in Job?
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Jesus indeed spoke in parables,but later he promised them to send them the Holy spirit ,and he did at pantecost.Cant you, or dont you understand that satan is he that has an intelligence; and is always coming from the outside in people?
————————————————Can you answer this one?
Who, or what is the dragon with 7heads in revelation?(rev.17).
Who is the dragon and –his– angels?(rev12).
Who is -he- that is running 7 world empires?
Who is the devil that will be cast into the bottomless pit for 1000yrs? Whilst evil is still going on in the world?(rev20).Please give us a lecture.
wakeup.
wakeup.
Gene,
Job 1:7
The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”Gene, to whom did the LORD ask this question?
Quote (Wakeup @ July 31 2012,14:27) Quote (terraricca @ July 30 2012,11:47) Quote (Wakeup @ July 30 2012,16:47) This is the problem ;If they can not answer a question they simply ignore it,and go somewhere else.
Where is that hunger for the truth? how can we ever learn more? we must be honest. what is the problem if some one knows more; its all given anyway its not our own doings.Greetings to you.
wakeup.
wupI like your comment ,I wander if you would follow it
?
Terra.Is there an honest question that I have not answered?
What is it? Have I ever runned away from a question?wakeup.
it was just a simple questionQuote (terraricca @ July 31 2012,09:46) Quote (Wakeup @ July 31 2012,14:27) Quote (terraricca @ July 30 2012,11:47) Quote (Wakeup @ July 30 2012,16:47) This is the problem ;If they can not answer a question they simply ignore it,and go somewhere else.
Where is that hunger for the truth? how can we ever learn more? we must be honest. what is the problem if some one knows more; its all given anyway its not our own doings.Greetings to you.
wakeup.
wupI like your comment ,I wander if you would follow it
?
Terra.Is there an honest question that I have not answered?
What is it? Have I ever runned away from a question?wakeup.
it was just a simple question
Yes,Terra and what was that simple quesstion?wakeup.
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