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Hi Gene,
You know that the word “spirit” refers to a spirit being in Luke 24:37.
The word “spirits” is interchanged with the word “demons” in the teaching about Legion. The demons are the spirits in that passage.
I agree that many times in scripture, “spirit” does not refer to a being……….but you need to accept the fact that many times it does.
Hi,
54 When His disciples James and John saw this, they said,
“Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?”
55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;
56 for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.” And they went on to another village.”Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 18 2012,14:11) Hi,
54 When His disciples James and John saw this, they said,
“Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?”
55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;
56 for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.” And they went on to another village.”
Nick……….There you go, your own posted scritputre shows you what Spirits (ARE). They are of the intellects of the mind. Just that simple no need to complicate any of what Spirits are. You answered your own question . So why try to make them out to be BEINGS when clearly what you quoted show they are not “BEINGS” But the Intellects of Minds. Therefore it says let this “MIND” be (IN) you the was in Christ Jesus our Lord. That is simply saying to let the intellect of God be in you as (IT) was (IN) Jesus. Spirit is a “TYPE” , “KIND” of thinking which is the expression of one (INTELLECT) that is (IN) HIM.They are what composes the LIFE in an individual. Just that simple no need for “MYSTERY RELIGIOUS” false teachings of SPIRIT as individual “BEINGS” going around jumping in and out of people they are divided into two categories GOOD and EVIL.
Spirit are NOT Beings , they are what is (IN) Beings. That is my stand and what i have said all along. now if the spirit of him who raised Christ Jesus from the grave dwell in you (IT) shall also quicken your Mortal “BODY”. Is this also “MY” teachings Nick or the word of GOD?.
peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Hi GB,
Garnishing your own teachings with a verse does not make them any more true.
They are your own and not of God.Nick……….It is you who can not back up “Your” teachings on this subject and are your teachings and not of GOD . Everything I Have said regarding Spirits aliens with he word of God. You believe Spirits are Beings , while I believe Spirits are what is (IN) BEINGS. My understanding of them is backed by the word of God and Jesus while yours is of PAGAN ORIGINS.
You are teachings a type of “MYSTERY RELIGION” which has its origins in Greek and other Pagan cultures. Jesus was absolutely accurate when he said to Peter “get behind me SATAN” , becasue Peter was acting as a Satan or devil. You see I don't have to add anything to what Jesus said, but you on the other hand have to. I understand what Jesus meant, but you on the other have no idea what he was saying. You “ASSUME” Jesus was talking to an elusive invisible Satan “BEING” but that is just your “opinion” and not what the context of what Jesus words were at all. So i say the same to you YOUR WORDS are YOUR OWN and not of GOD. IMO
peace and love………………………………………………………gene
So you say becasue i understand what Jesus was saying that it is my own teachings even if i quote many scriptures, not Just “A VERSE” as “YOU SAY” , and have over many years here about this subject.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 19 2012,06:56) You “ASSUME” Jesus was talking to an elusive invisible Satan “BEING” but that is just your “opinion” and not what the context of what Jesus words were at all.
The context? Gene, the context is that Satan told Jesus he would give him the kingdoms of the world, because they were his to give. What “intellect inside someone” owns the kingdoms of the world? And in what way could this “intellect” give them to the sentient being, Jesus?Hi GB,
Yes you have opposed the teaching of Jesus Christ for many years on this subject.
When are you going to expound what he said about demons or evil spirits in Lk11 or Mt 12 etc?Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 20 2012,01:25) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 19 2012,06:56) You “ASSUME” Jesus was talking to an elusive invisible Satan “BEING” but that is just your “opinion” and not what the context of what Jesus words were at all.
The context? Gene, the context is that Satan told Jesus he would give him the kingdoms of the world, because they were his to give. What “intellect inside someone” owns the kingdoms of the world? And in what way could this “intellect” give them to the sentient being, Jesus?
Mike……….While you may find this hard to believe , Jesus was overcoming himself in the wilderness, Jesus well knew who he was and his Purpose in life and the Glory he was given by GOD and the Power also, every temptation Jesus had in the wilderness was a SELF trial brought on by his own human Nature, and he had to Master it and did with the word of GOD and His Faith in those word of GOD.Jesus in the wilderness was being tried and tested for what GOD was preparing for him , his own temptations and Faith were being put to test, not some Devil or so-called Satan “BEING” as you and other assume. He “<MASTERED" the sin that lies at the doors of all mens hearts, by the Anointing of GOD given him at the Jordan River.
who soever that love (HIS) life shall loose it, But who soever shall lose (HIS) Life for the Kingdom of GODS sake shall Save it
Jesus overcame his OWN LIFE in the Wilderness not some elusive unseen SATAN “BEING”.Mike as i have told you many many time the problem is not understanding what a Spirit (IS). Once you master that, many things will fall into place and there will be no more “MYSTERY” Greek religion teachings clouding your understanding. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene
Nick………..Look at verse 11:14 …> very closely and consider this , And he was casting our (A) Devil , now notice Nick and it did you notice the word (IT) not (HE) is used there . If the (IT) was a “BEING” it would have been written as HE or She, but never and (IT). Now ask yourself why is that Nick, is that not because and (IT) is Not a PERSON or BEING.
Mat 12:25……> And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them , Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand. (all of this is a broad summation statement) verse 26 (now Notice the wording) and if Satan, cast out Satan ( how could a Being Cast our Himself if he were a PERSON ?, he is divided against himself, who shall then his kingdom stand? verse 27 and if I9 by Beelzebub (the Chaldeian dun god) cast out devils, by whom do yours childern cast them out.
Nick the problem is your and other do not know what a DEVIL or SATAN (SPIRIT (IS) (IT) is not a “Being” of any kind , (It) is an aspect or part of Life and they come in types and Kinds , Spirits is not a Persons Spirits are (IT'S) that are (IN) all Life forms that exist. Spirits give intellect of (IT) Kind and Type to whoever (IT) is (IN)> All spirits can be removed and replaced in any creature God has Made, and that creature will change it nature and behavior by those spirits (IN) them.
Spirits are (INTELLECTS) that give (THEIR) COGNATE THOUGHTS or LIFE to who ever they are (IN)> They are what LIFE (IS)>
Nick now notice…….> if the Spirit of him that raised Christ Jesus from the grave (DWELL) (IN) you “IT” Shall quicken your “MORTAL BODY” Nick is the “IT” a Person or a Spirit ?
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 20 2012,05:56) …….every temptation Jesus had in the wilderness was a SELF trial brought on by his own human Nature………
So Jesus' “human nature” owed the kingdoms of the world and promised to give them to Jesus if Jesus bowed down and did an act of worship to his own “human nature”?Come on Gene. Talk about a “mystery religion”……………..
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 20 2012,07:00) now notice Nick and it did you notice the word (IT) not (HE) is used there . If the (IT) was a “BEING” it would have been written as HE or She, but never and (IT). Now ask yourself why is that Nick, is that not because and (IT) is Not a PERSON or BEING.
Mark 3:26 NIV ©
And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come.The bolded word above is written in the Greek masculine form, meaning “himself”, and not “itself”. According to your own reasoning, this confirms that Satan is a PERSON or a BEING, right Gene?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 20 2012,07:00) verse 27 and if I9 by Beelzebub (the Chaldeian dun god) cast out devils, by whom do yours childern cast them out.
From NETNotes:
Apparently Baal Zebub refers to a local manifestation of the god Baal at the Philistine city of Ekron. The name appears to mean “Lord of the Flies,” but it may be a deliberate scribal corruption of Baal Zebul, “Baal, the Prince,” a title known from the Ugaritic texts.Gene, can you imagine the Philistines proudly telling the nations around them that they serve “the Lord of Dung” as their god? Can you imagine any nation even choosing someone called “the Lord of Dung” as their god?
Also, consider:
2 Kings 1:2
Now Ahaziah had fallen through the lattice of his upper room in Samaria and injured himself. So he sent messengers, saying to them, “Go and consult Baal-Zebub, the god of Ekron, to see if I will recover from this injury.”Can you imagine the king of Israel inquiring of “the Lord of Dung”?
2 Kings 1:16
“This is what the LORD says: Is it because there is no God in Israel for you to consult that you have sent messengers to consult Baal-Zebub, the god of Ekron? Because you have done this, you will never leave the bed you are lying on. You will certainly die!”Notice that Jehovah doesn't refer to Baal-Zebub as a “false god”, a “so-called god”, or an “idol”. His only concern is that the king of His nation would inquire of another god instead of inquiring of Him.
Later, in the NT, we learn that Baal-Zebub is Satan, and that he is truly the god of this world.
Hi GB,
Your expounding of the verses is utterly self serving and not at all related to the teaching of Jesus.
Is the SPIRIT of GOD just THOUGHTS?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2012,06:14) Hi GB, Your expounding of the verses is utterly self serving and not at all related to the teaching of Jesus.
Is the SPIRIT of GOD just THOUGHTS?
Nick……….What do you mean by “just” thoughts , if i were to remove your thoughts you would no longer exist. Because you would have no mind any more. “so a man thinks so he or she (IS)”. Yes life (IS) thoughts of all kinds, in fact thoughts are the ONLY thing of Life in you let this “MIND” be (IN) you that was in Jesus Christ our lord.Nick……….Do you think Life is without thoughts or God is some ignorant existence and Jesus is “Just” a thoughtless or mindless wonderer, Going around babbling without the “intellect” of God (IN) Him.?.
My expounding of the verse is not self serving , your expounding of what you do not understand is self serving to your ignorance about this subject. IMO
Mike……….interesting thing about “YOUR” Beelzebub “GOD” you believe in as Satan, but “Strong Concordance” say it was a DUNG GOD of the Chadians and even all you expounding of this GOD of Yours shows it does not (IN FACT) “REALLY” Exist and did not ever “EXIST” at the time of the Pagans, nor in Jesus time, nor in our time.
Trying to say a False God of the pagan is a “REAL SATAN” Being only proves Satan does not exist, just as the Dung God Beelzebub the false god of the Chaldean's and the Jews of the time of Christ did not exist either.What you say about God saying that this So-called of yours did really exist is simply a false statement. God said Clearly He looked for another God and Found “NONE” but you call him a Lier and say He excepted other Gods of Pagan imagination as REAL .
Mike your caught up in “MYSTERY RELIGIONS” teachings of pagans, the word (IF) only show Jesus knew what they perceived as a “SATAN Dung God “Beelzebub was a false imagination of those ignorant Pharisees and many so-called Christians of today also. IMO
Because that , when they knew God , they glorified him not “AS GOD” neither were thankful; but became vain in their “IMAGINATIONS”, and their foolish hearts (minds) were darkened. And again Because they recieved not the love of truth GOD will send unto them a deluding Spirit, in order for them to believe a lie.
peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2012,05:46) Hi GB,
You KNOWLEDGE is not of scripture.
Is it GNOSTIC?
Nick….Actually if you had studied the Gnostic's Doctrines and teachings you would find they are more in line with what you are saying and believing in them me. But then again you make statements without the knowledge to back it up. Show me one statement I have made that backs up the Gnostic Doctrines? No not a one, but on the other hand i can show where you believe like them becasue you believe in Spirits as Persons and they also believed Jesus was a SPIRIT disguised as a Person.Here is another for you and Mike put your heads together and see if you are able to figure it put.
and God give (IT) a BODY just as He Pleases Tell us Nick or Mike, what is the “IT” that he (God) give a BODY of “IT'S OWN.
Is “IT” Not a SPIRIT that is given a BODY of “IT”S” OWN> Puts you heads together and see if you can figure this out with you false assumptions about Spirits Beings Being Persons.
A spirit does not Have a body of “IT”S OWN, why because a Spirit is an (IT) and not a Being or a living Soul unless “IT” is put (INTO) a BODY, the “IT” can call “ITS” Own. Another word the “IT”s can call nothing their own unless given something of “IT” own. Why becasue all spirit exists in a Plural form and is not singular but is much like Water and can be poured into a vessel (Body) of “It's Own., and then it can exist as a singular BEING becasue “IT” has a BODY of “IT'S” own.
Much like when we by a House and go in and have a House of our own. God who is Spirit considers our Bodies as “temples” a housing he can LIVE in with US. God is Sprit he has no BODY of HIS OWN and Lives vicariously (IN) and through his creation.
Peace and love to you and Mike……………………………..gene
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