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Quote (kerwin @ May 12 2012,06:24) Gene; Quote As far as the word devil or demons go those word are just Greek renditions of Mystery religions which many as you do today still believe in. There are both demons and daemons mentioned in Scripture; no mystery religion there; unless you find the Bible a mystery.
Kerwin………Have you “EVER” talked to “ANYONE” who has EVER SEEN ONE DEMON or heard any talk to you or anyone else. I personally doubt you or anyone here has ever heard or seen any at all. Spirits can Just influence Bodies of Beings (IT) is (IN) (IT) itself is not a being or Person, (IT) give cognate thoughts that they are to who (It) is in. Therefore Jesus said to them this kind comes not our except with prayer and fasting. Spirit are kinds and types, they are not beings but make their abode (IN) beings. IMOHi GB,
So now what we see and our personal experiences become our true teachers? [col2.18]
Jesus is the Teacher and he spoke of these matters in Lk 11 and Mt 12 etc.Gene;
Demons whisper there thoughts into my head on a regular basis. It is called temptation. If I choose to internalize their words by fantasizing about doing it or doing it then it becomes sin.
I have not seen one that I know of; but all that reveals is God has chosen to hide them from my sight.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 15 2012,05:41) Hi KW,
Resist in the armour of the Lord and they will flee.
Nick;You are correct.
Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2012,10:37) Gene; Demons whisper there thoughts into my head on a regular basis. It is called temptation. If I choose to internalize their words by fantasizing about doing it or doing it then it becomes sin.
I have not seen one that I know of; but all that reveals is God has chosen to hide them from my sight.
Kerwin………Those are not demon “BEINGS” but you own thoughts that are the result of you being in this world and the lust of (YOUR) flesh and the Lust of (YOUR) eyes and the Pride of life that effects us all, those thoughts that are (IN) your mind are what you and I and all other have recieved (IN) us from the world, according to John, and James said that these things come from US and if allowed to mature they produce sin, in us and the end is death. God gives us his Spirit to “MASTER” these thoughts, as it says bringing every “THOUGHT” into Captivity.Jesus Mastered His in the wilderness not some pagan produced concept of a Devil or Satan “BEING” as most all presume. WE must also overcome our own selves and learn to bring, “EVERY THOUGHT INTO CAPTIVITY” as we mature with the SPIRIT (intellect) given us from God. No person who has the Spirit (INTELLECT) of GOD will “PRACTICES” sin, the Holy Spirit will alway drive us to think like GOD the FATHER and JESUS.
Don't let your overcoming be about some Spook or invisible demonic “BEINGS”, let it be about yourself overcoming the same way Jesus did., Sin lies at the Door of all mens Hearts and we all must Master (IT)> LOVE the GOOD and HATE the EVIL is the Goal of us all . James explains it this way brother Kerwin,
James 1:13……> Let “NO” Man say When his is tempted, I am tempted of GOD: for God cannot not be tempted with Evil, neither tempts “ANY” man: (now notice Kerwin) verse 14…> But every man is tempted when he is drawn away of his “OWN” Lust, and enticed.
Its about our OWN thinking Brother not some power given some elusive unseen “being” going around jumping in and out of People and causing them to sin. We need to take full responsibility for our sins, and if we do sin, then as it says, we take it and admit it is “US” who sinned before GOD and He is Just to forgive us of our sins, and More to cleanse “US” from “ALL” Unrighteousnesses IMO
peace and love to you and yours Kerwn……………………..gene
Gene;
Quote Those are not demon “BEINGS” but you own thoughts that are the result of you being in this world and the lust of (YOUR) flesh and the Lust of (YOUR) eyes and the Pride of life that effects us all, Satan is the King of this world and humanity made him King by choosing to do evil.
The lust of my flesh is not temptation but it is sin.
Demons tempt and if I fall/jump to the temptation it is I who sin; and so sell myself to the demon.
Kerwin………..Satan is not King of any thing becasue he does not exist as a “PERSON or Being, but as Evil SPIRITS working in the People of all the earth, who Jesus said existed in a Evil State. Those in power in hight place are not demons but People who through evil Greed and Lust of the eyes and flesh and pride of life have corrupted this world to the limits that God allows. Evil just as Good has no limits that is why God will place it (evil) in a bottomless pit. when he removes (IT) from the earth for a thousand years.
Kerwin think about it and come out of all these false Pagan derived teachings of religions. Deal with you sins as yours and not some demonic cop-out, and admit them, and ask God for help in times of need , he will forgive you and cleans you from all unrighteousness Just as it is written brother. Go back and reread what i have written you brother and think about it brother.
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………………gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2012,04:59) Hi GB,
Yes lust conceives sin in us.
But you reject the teachings of Jesus.
Nick………..Yes, But, what?…………It is not i who does not believe Jesus and understand Jesus, it is you who does not understand what he was saying or meanings about this subject. Have you even when and looked up where the words Beelzebub and Devils and Demons came from in the first place ?I doubt you have or you would see they came from a pagan belief system and the word “Beelzebub” was a Chadian dung god Nick do some home work before you start to criticize people. Jesus dealt with those ignorant people on their level , if you were a mentally ill person or an epileptic you were considered to be posed by demons in that day.
They did not know more about “so-called” Demonic possessions as you say, but were totally ignorant like you are on this subject. Nick you need to stop pushing “MYSTERY RELIGION” concepts.
A good start for you would be to understand what Spirits really ARE> FIRST, IMO
peace and love to you and yours Nick……………………………..gene
Nick……….So say you, and why can't you answer my questions to you? Just ignoring them and making a false and condemning statement about me means nothing but only shows you ignorance about what is being discussed. IMO
peace and love…………………………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 16 2012,20:43) Kerwin………..Satan is not King of any thing becasue he does not exist as a “PERSON or Being, but as Evil SPIRITS working in the People of all the earth, who Jesus said existed in a Evil State. Those in power in hight place are not demons but People who through evil Greed and Lust of the eyes and flesh and pride of life have corrupted this world to the limits that God allows. Evil just as Good has no limits that is why God will place it (evil) in a bottomless pit. when he removes (IT) from the earth for a thousand years. Kerwin think about it and come out of all these false Pagan derived teachings of religions. Deal with you sins as yours and not some demonic cop-out, and admit them, and ask God for help in times of need , he will forgive you and cleans you from all unrighteousness Just as it is written brother. Go back and reread what i have written you brother and think about it brother.
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………………gene
Gene;Our battle is not against flesh and blood and yet you say is. Your words are not God's words but they are the words of the deceiver.
You are well aware we do not battle sinful man; but we do battle temptation and so the author of temptation.
God teaches us to resist the devil; you do not.
I choose to follow God.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 18 2012,03:45) Nick……….So say you, and why can't you answer my questions to you? Just ignoring them and making a false and condemning statement about me means nothing but only shows you ignorance about what is being discussed. IMO peace and love…………………………………………….gene
This is what the Hot Seat is for.Then you can know for sure whether he can answer or not.
The Hot Seat is designed to get an answer, even if the answer is “I don't know”. Avoidance in the Hot Seat is as good as the I don't know answer too.
Then it is settled.
Hi t8,
Being asked about the weather in China on the hot seat will not get a useful response from me.
Gene diverts into discussing his own ideas because he denies the teachings of Jesus on demons.Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2012,02:05) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 16 2012,20:43) Kerwin………..Satan is not King of any thing becasue he does not exist as a “PERSON or Being, but as Evil SPIRITS working in the People of all the earth, who Jesus said existed in a Evil State. Those in power in hight place are not demons but People who through evil Greed and Lust of the eyes and flesh and pride of life have corrupted this world to the limits that God allows. Evil just as Good has no limits that is why God will place it (evil) in a bottomless pit. when he removes (IT) from the earth for a thousand years. Kerwin think about it and come out of all these false Pagan derived teachings of religions. Deal with you sins as yours and not some demonic cop-out, and admit them, and ask God for help in times of need , he will forgive you and cleans you from all unrighteousness Just as it is written brother. Go back and reread what i have written you brother and think about it brother.
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………………gene
Gene;Our battle is not against flesh and blood and yet you say is. Your words are not God's words but they are the words of the deceiver.
You are well aware we do not battle sinful man; but we do battle temptation and so the author of temptation.
God teaches us to resist the devil “BEING” you do not.
I choose to follow God.
Kerwn………Where do you get i am saying our fight is about flesh and blood, Show one place i said that or where did i EVER say that for that matter. I of all people here know our fight is about (SPIRITUAL) wickedness in high and powerful places .The difference is I see that Evil (IN) People and I don't need to look for some unseen elusive Satan or Devil jumping in and out of people and controlling them so they can COP-OUT and say it really is not them doing it as you seem top do. If you understood what Spirit really is you could easily understand this. No Kerwin flesh and blood is only a Body it can do nothing of itself but carry around and obey the Spirit that is (IN) it. You sins are from You and not some unseen invisible PERSON. It is not a unseen Devil that will give account for your sin you commit in the flesh it is YOU, Me , and ALL others who will give account. For YOUR SINS.
Your belief of placing your sin on a DEVIL and Not yourself would make God and Unjust GOD, Why should we be held accountable for what someone else is doing. No Kerwin those false cop-out will not work. Learn to deal with you sin yourself and admit them to God and ask for forgiveness and cleansing of yourself.
You have completely misrepresented what i have said Kerwin. If you are resisting the Devil then you are resisting your Own carnal desires that are (IN) your Flesh, not some elusive “Being”. Paul puts it this way.
Romans 2:5…> But after “THY” hardness and impenitent heart treasures up “UNTO THYSELF” wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteousness judgments of GOD; Verse 6…> Who will render to “EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO (HIS) DEEDS verse 7..> to them who by patient continence in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life: verse 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath.
Not notice this Kerwin also………Verse 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon “EVERY SOUL OF MEN” that DOES EVIL, of the Jew first and also of the Gentile. Verse 10…> but glory, honor, and peace, to every man the works good, to the Jew first, and also the Gentile.
Notice this too Kerwin………> verse 11….> For there is “NO” respect of “PERSONS” with God.
Kerwin we all shall give account for our OWN doings Not of some elusive Devil or Demon that you falsely believe is causing all our Problems that we ourselves are doing by the lusts that are (in0 Us ourselves. Your cop-out religion will not work Kerwin now of ever. Ever person is accountable for His or Her Own deeds , God is not going to punish you for my or the “DEVILS” or SATAN or anyone else's evil doings He is a Just God not an unjust God that you are portraying , It is our own selves that must be overcome not some phantom spook “BEING”> Resist the devil and (IT) will flees from yourself because that is where (IT) is, (IT) is IN all mankind, and (IT) part of our very Nature and we must “MASTER (IT), even as Jesus did also. IMO
peace and love…………………………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 16 2012,09:04) Jesus dealt with those ignorant people on their level , if you were a mentally ill person or an epileptic you were considered to be posed by demons in that day.
Hi Gene,Where did you come by this information?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 16 2012,09:04) A good start for you would be to understand what Spirits really ARE
Boy, if only I had a nickel for every time I've heard those words.Gene, why do you suppose the rest of us are all wrong about spirit BEINGS, while you alone understand the truth?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 18 2012,10:12) Hi t8,
Being asked about the weather in China on the hot seat will not get a useful response from me.
Gene diverts into discussing his own ideas because he denies the teachings of Jesus on demons.
Nick………..That is a false statement , I do not deny the teachings of Demons by Jesus i deny your interruption of what he was saying is the Point here, You see them as “BEINGS” I do not, I see them as SPIRITS or Intellects which impart to our minds their specific characteristics which come in all KINDS and TYPES, clean and unclean etc, Jesus also understood this when he said “THIS KIND” comes out with only fasting and Prayer. Nick if you truly understood what a SPIRIT is you could easily understand this IMO.By not answering my questions to you concerning this, only proves to me you do not understand what Jesus was saying and how he dealt with the people of that generation who had limited understandings, I will admit i do not see this issue as most all “RELIGIOUS” People do, but i have enough scriptures that seem to support my conclusions on this.
peace and love to you and yours……………………………….gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2012,11:33) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 16 2012,09:04) Jesus dealt with those ignorant people on their level , if you were a mentally ill person or an epileptic you were considered to be posed by demons in that day.
Hi Gene,Where did you come by this information?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 16 2012,09:04) A good start for you would be to understand what Spirits really ARE
Boy, if only I had a nickel for every time I've heard those words.Gene, why do you suppose the rest of us are all wrong about spirit BEINGS, while you alone understand the truth?
Mike……….Look at what took place by the Person who was afflicted and it is a classic case of an epileptic attack. Check pout the word Beelzebub used and it is a dune God of the pagans all the people of that day thought what a person acted abnormally they had a demon causing that to happen. Why don;t you see that ideology still used today, is it becasue we are more Ignorant or have we come to see and understand that many people ar simple mentally ill and there are drugs that can control some of it . When we go along with what they back them believed as truth we simply give ourselves over to their frame of mind with all of its limited knowledge that was not available in that day and time. Many cases of mental illness can only be controlled and in some extreme cases very little . But the bottom line is they all need a Miracle to be cured as Jesus was dong to those of his day by the hand of God. IMOMike this is not hard to come to know Just read the history on mental health and some of the scientific discovery we now have, we all have to come out of ignorant PAGAN thinking, and move forward in understanding IMO.
The reason i have said if only you could come to understand what Spirit really is , is becasue it is a lot simpler them most even begin to realize , and not there is not all kinds of meanings of what Spirits ARE. Mike. Spirit are intellect the give us all cognate thoughts they are what life (IS) rather good or evil , clean or unclean. IMO
peace and love to you and yours Mike……………………………….gene
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