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Quote Stu, no one condemns non believers to death. The non believer does that to himself.
Well I am an atheist and I have not condemned myself to death. What a load of dribble. At what megachurch did you rote-learn that platitude?
[quoteGod gave you a way out, if you will accept it.
There are no such things as gods. How silly you are. I don’t need a way out of anything, I am fine thanks. Really.Quote If someone ends up in Hell, it is because they cannot admit they are a sinner and need a Savior.
There is no such thing as hell, either. Of course those who want power and glory are happy for you to believe their bluff of hell. I am in no need of a nasty philosophy of men that says there is something wrong with me that will be cured if I accept a human sacrifice in my name.Quote But we all have sinned.
I haven’t. Put up some evidence of any wrongdoing you are accusing me of, or have a think about why you should not be served with a summons for libel.Quote It took me so long to see that. I was 38 when I turned from being an atheist and actually set down and read the Bible.
That is very unusual: usually it is theists who read the bible and become atheist because they realise what a load of fantasy nonsense it is. How did things go so horribly wrong for you?Quote The thing about the Bible is, it is a living book. It comes alive in your hands as you read it if you are really seeking truth and not just going through the motions.
And the stars twinkle and fairyland seems so bright and sparkly.Quote Most atheists are not seeking the truth.
Gee you are really full of yourself, aren’t you. I never read the verse in the bible that commands believers to patronise others like this. I guess I must have slept though that reading.Quote Seek and you shall find is a promise from God.
If there is a god, then all the seeking I have ever done about anything has taught me that gods are the inventions of humans. There are 2.1 billion Judeo-christian gods, one inside the head of each believer. That is the only existence they have, in the imagination.Quote Now why would they spend so much of their time trying to convince others there is no God if somewhere down deep inside, they did not have doubts?
It is exactly the doubts that make me cautious about believing anything. Clearly you do not have such high standards.Quote God says everyone has all they need to believe that he exists.
You don’t know anything about any gods. You only think you do.Quote That only a fool would say there is no God. My Mama didn't raise any fools.. How about yours?
You were an atheist for 38 years, you said. Clearly yo’ mama DID raise a fool. She certainly ain’t taught you no manners ma’am.Actually I speak with a New Zealand accent, so you will have to forgive my attempts at writing in Southern baptist drawl.
I am sure you were more considerate and courteous as a non-believer. It seems that christianity brings out the worst in both of us.
Stuart
Decent people are the saviours of christianity. They help us to ignore its absurdities and focus on Matthew 7:12 (even though there are better versions of the golden rule out there).
Christianity itself is a nasty way to carry on, if done according to its book of mythology.
Stuart
I think if we separate ourselves from our Judeo-Christian upbringing, the story of creation, Samson, Lot, etc., as told in the OT would seem mythic to any stranger. As taken by themselves without the backing of our traditions and religious acculturation the Old Testament would seem no more credible then the ENUMA ELISH, The Epic of Gilgmesh, The Illiad or Beowulf.
While I might say the OT has truth in it, it in itself is not truth. To start it is not a unitary work, but a collection. Some parts are songs, poetry, parable and allegory wherein may lie wisdom and truths of a kind, but certainly not those of a literal nature. As for the historical parts we have no independent verifications; dates are missing as well as authors and collaborating evidence so it is hard to separate fact from fiction or simple mistakes in scholarship.
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 15 2009,21:46) Decent people are the saviours of christianity. They help us to ignore its absurdities and focus on Matthew 7:12 (even though there are better versions of the golden rule out there). Christianity itself is a nasty way to carry on, if done according to its book of mythology.
Stuart
Still got your head stuck in the old testament Stu?thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 22 2009,00:18) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 15 2009,21:46) Decent people are the saviours of christianity. They help us to ignore its absurdities and focus on Matthew 7:12 (even though there are better versions of the golden rule out there). Christianity itself is a nasty way to carry on, if done according to its book of mythology.
Stuart
Still got your head stuck in the old testament Stu?thinker
Do you not worship the god of both the old and new testaments? Or, do you only worship the NT god?Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Sep. 22 2009,05:49) Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 22 2009,00:18) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 15 2009,21:46) Decent people are the saviours of christianity. They help us to ignore its absurdities and focus on Matthew 7:12 (even though there are better versions of the golden rule out there). Christianity itself is a nasty way to carry on, if done according to its book of mythology.
Stuart
Still got your head stuck in the old testament Stu?thinker
Do you not worship the god of both the old and new testaments? Or, do you only worship the NT god?
I worship God according to the new covenant principles He Himself has given. This is worship according to the spirit which is life. Worship according to the old covenant letter brought death. Did Jesus say “This is the NEW covenant in My blood” just to hear Himself talk?thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 22 2009,04:05) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Sep. 22 2009,05:49) Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 22 2009,00:18) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 15 2009,21:46) Decent people are the saviours of christianity. They help us to ignore its absurdities and focus on Matthew 7:12 (even though there are better versions of the golden rule out there). Christianity itself is a nasty way to carry on, if done according to its book of mythology.
Stuart
Still got your head stuck in the old testament Stu?thinker
Do you not worship the god of both the old and new testaments? Or, do you only worship the NT god?
I worship God according to the new covenant principles He Himself has given. This is worship according to the spirit which is life. Worship according to the old covenant letter brought death. Did Jesus say “This is the NEW covenant in My blood” just to hear Himself talk?thinker
So you reject the old testament and the principles found therein?Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 22 2009,09:05) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Sep. 22 2009,05:49) Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 22 2009,00:18) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 15 2009,21:46) Decent people are the saviours of christianity. They help us to ignore its absurdities and focus on Matthew 7:12 (even though there are better versions of the golden rule out there). Christianity itself is a nasty way to carry on, if done according to its book of mythology.
Stuart
Still got your head stuck in the old testament Stu?thinker
Do you not worship the god of both the old and new testaments? Or, do you only worship the NT god?
I worship God according to the new covenant principles He Himself has given. This is worship according to the spirit which is life. Worship according to the old covenant letter brought death. Did Jesus say “This is the NEW covenant in My blood” just to hear Himself talk?thinker
Have you forgiven your god for his OT brutality?Stuart
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Sep. 22 2009,10:24) Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 22 2009,04:05) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Sep. 22 2009,05:49) Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 22 2009,00:18) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 15 2009,21:46) Decent people are the saviours of christianity. They help us to ignore its absurdities and focus on Matthew 7:12 (even though there are better versions of the golden rule out there). Christianity itself is a nasty way to carry on, if done according to its book of mythology.
Stuart
Still got your head stuck in the old testament Stu?thinker
Do you not worship the god of both the old and new testaments? Or, do you only worship the NT god?
I worship God according to the new covenant principles He Himself has given. This is worship according to the spirit which is life. Worship according to the old covenant letter brought death. Did Jesus say “This is the NEW covenant in My blood” just to hear Himself talk?thinker
So you reject the old testament and the principles found therein?
Absolutely! Hebrews chapters 6-8 say that to return to the old covenant system of worship is apostasy. We are severely warned against it.thinker
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