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[Jesus name follower of Christ]

true thinker

[Stu]

Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 03 2009,02:52)

Quote (Stu @ Sep. 02 2009,19:00) …although technically it was made with Israel… You make it sound almost as if it is actually true! Stuart What's your point? The U.S. constitution is a covenant with the citizens of the U.S. (ideally). When a foreigner becomes a U.S. citizen he or she adopts the covenant. No degree in rocket science is needed my friend. thinker

No I mean you make it sound almost like it is true that there is a god to make contracts with.

Stuart

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Stu @ Sep. 03 2009,19:54)

Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 03 2009,02:52) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 02 2009,19:00) …although technically it was made with Israel… You make it sound almost as if it is actually true! Stuart What's your point? The U.S. constitution is a covenant with the citizens of the U.S. (ideally). When a foreigner becomes a U.S. citizen he or she adopts the covenant. No degree in rocket science is needed my friend. thinker No I mean you make it sound almost like it is true that there is a god to make contracts with. Stuart

Men don't make contracts with God. He makes contracts with them.

thinker

[Jesus name follower of Christ]

I feel that God does make contracts with us and its like a vow if we break it we were better off not to have made one in the first place

[Stu]

Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 04 2009,04:02)

Quote (Stu @ Sep. 03 2009,19:54) Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 03 2009,02:52) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 02 2009,19:00) …although technically it was made with Israel… You make it sound almost as if it is actually true! Stuart What's your point? The U.S. constitution is a covenant with the citizens of the U.S. (ideally). When a foreigner becomes a U.S. citizen he or she adopts the covenant. No degree in rocket science is needed my friend. thinker No I mean you make it sound almost like it is true that there is a god to make contracts with. Stuart Men don't make contracts with God. He makes contracts with them. thinker

I can imagine that as a line from the Godfather.

If your Imaginary Friend ran his 'kingdom' like a mafia family it would be entirely consistent with the indiscriminate and petulant killings in the OT.

Maybe Saul of Tarsus is a more effective press agent.

Stuart

[Jesus name follower of Christ]

Saul later became a great preacher / evangelist /apostle for the kingdom of God

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Stu @ Sep. 04 2009,22:27)

Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 04 2009,04:02) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 03 2009,19:54) Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 03 2009,02:52) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 02 2009,19:00) …although technically it was made with Israel… You make it sound almost as if it is actually true! Stuart What's your point? The U.S. constitution is a covenant with the citizens of the U.S. (ideally). When a foreigner becomes a U.S. citizen he or she adopts the covenant. No degree in rocket science is needed my friend. thinker No I mean you make it sound almost like it is true that there is a god to make contracts with. Stuart Men don't make contracts with God. He makes contracts with them. thinker I can imagine that as a line from the Godfather. If your Imaginary Friend ran his 'kingdom' like a mafia family it would be entirely consistent with the indiscriminate and petulant killings in the OT. Maybe Saul of Tarsus is a more effective press agent. Stuart

Are you interested in serious discussion or just in being a clown?

thinker

[Jesus name follower of Christ]

stu can be aginst us but lets hear him out

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ Sep. 05 2009,05:23)

stu can be aginst us but lets hear him out

You will learn eventually that Stu is not interested in promoting understanding. He just likes to hear himself talk.

thinker

[Stu]

Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 05 2009,04:39)

Quote (Stu @ Sep. 04 2009,22:27) Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 04 2009,04:02) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 03 2009,19:54) Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 03 2009,02:52) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 02 2009,19:00) …although technically it was made with Israel… You make it sound almost as if it is actually true! Stuart What's your point? The U.S. constitution is a covenant with the citizens of the U.S. (ideally). When a foreigner becomes a U.S. citizen he or she adopts the covenant. No degree in rocket science is needed my friend. thinker No I mean you make it sound almost like it is true that there is a god to make contracts with. Stuart Men don't make contracts with God. He makes contracts with them. thinker I can imagine that as a line from the Godfather. If your Imaginary Friend ran his 'kingdom' like a mafia family it would be entirely consistent with the indiscriminate and petulant killings in the OT. Maybe Saul of Tarsus is a more effective press agent. Stuart Are you interested in serious discussion or just in being a clown? thinker

Clowning about religion is a serious business. If something cannot stand satire of mockery (and religions shy from it or respond with violence as much as any dictatorship does) then you should treat it with great suspicion. Whatever the colour of your stripe or opinion of our political leaders in Western democracies, they put up with a lot of mockery and do so for the health of those democracies.

Christianity is not a democracy and it is not a healthy way of telling people what they should do if it cannot survive such challenges. You were warned by Paul to expect mockery but then he went on to condemn, in the most earnest and chilling manner, those who mock. That is the sign of a dictatorship that does not necessarily hold the wellbeing of the people at heart, and we know that christianity does put people second.

So, if you have nothing more than assertion of your beliefs and you cannot reason out a justification for them in universal terms you will always be a fringe element. I guess that is why there are christian groups who form (sometimes violent) hate campaigns against others they percieve to be evil: their bigoted unreasoning voices are ignored by the mainstream so they get angry and lash out.

Stuart

[Jesus name follower of Christ]

some do get angry and lash out look at the crusades

[Stu]

And the Catholic church still has an Inquisition, although they changed its name a few years ago…

Stuart

[Jesus name follower of Christ]

I think you are right stu but let us try to live in harmony?

[Stu]

I would like to do that. It is not me preaching from a book that condemns non-believers to death. I do not tell the rest of the world that there is something wrong with them that only my brand of magic can cure.

Perhaps if christians gave up some of their wrong nonsense, there could be even more harmony than there already is.

Stuart

[Jesus name follower of Christ]

right Stu but people just come up with thier own ideas
Stu which emotion is your favorite?

[Stu]

Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ Sep. 08 2009,05:56)

right Stu but people just come up with thier own ideas                                       Stu which emotion is your favorite?

See my avatar for details!

Stuart

[Jesus name follower of Christ]

ok cool

[Jesus name follower of Christ]

God is awesome:p

[Stu]

Which one?

Stuart

[eveh]

Quote (Stu @ Sep. 08 2009,01:03)

I would like to do that.  It is not me preaching from a book that condemns non-believers to death.  I do not tell the rest of the world that there is something wrong with them that only my brand of magic can cure. Perhaps if christians gave up some of their wrong nonsense, there could be even more harmony than there already is. Stuart

Stu, no one condemns non believers to death. The non believer does that to himself. God gave you a way out, if you will accept it. If someone ends up in Hell, it is because they cannot admit they are a sinner and need a Savior. But we all have sinned. It took me so long to see that. I was 38 when I turned from being an atheist and actually set down and read the Bible.

The thing about the Bible is, it is a living book. It comes alive in your hands as you read it if you are really seeking truth and not just going through the motions. Most atheists are not seeking the truth. Seek and you shall find is a promise from God.

Now why would they spend so much of their time trying to convince others there is no God if somewhere down deep inside, they did not have doubts? God says everyone has all they need to believe that he exists. That only a fool would say there is no God. My Mama didn't raise any fools.. How about yours?

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